How long can AMD survive?

[oldfart]

The fact remains that AMD is all that stands between us and Intel's price gouging policies

And Intel is all that stands between us and AMD's price gouging policies. As long as there is competition, were are OK.

 

[Emo]

Originally posted by: oldfart
And Intel is all that stands between us and AMD's price gouging policies. As long as there is competition, were are OK.

Couldn't agree more! All this talk about supporting the good guy (AMD) to keep in check the bad guy (Intel) is entertaining but irrational. I have supported both companies with my money when they produce a good product with reasonable price/performance. A year ago the Athlon XP was the better value processor, now it is less appealing but still competitive. The way I see it, it doesn't come only as a choice between processors, those days died with Socket 7. Smart consumers make a choice between platforms and the cpu is only a part (albeit significant) of the equation!

 

[Toymaker]

Originally posted by: imgod2u
The problem is, with microprocessors, you can't really make money by selling $60 processors. R&D, not to mention the fab plants, sum up quite a bit of change to be compensated for with processor sales. And there is no profit to be made if your processor is selling for $60 or $70 on average. There's a reason Intel's processors are all above $100, they make money that way.....

Good point. And AMD won't be producing those cheap processors much longer. They'll need tool resources for the Bartons.

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

AMD: Employees: 14,415........Market Cap $2.3 Billion

Intel: Employees: 83,400........Market Cap $132.8 Billion


Who owns who?

 

[Kingofcomputer]

Nobody owns nobody.

In the future, one day Intel could be burst, one day AMD could be gone, who knows.

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Hamburgerpimp
AMD: Employees: 14,415........Market Cap $2.3 Billion

Intel: Employees: 83,400........Market Cap $132.8 Billion


Who owns who?

Intel is bigger than AMD - this is news?

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Who owns who?

I guess you believed big blue was the sh*t too?

 

[rIpTOr]

nobody owns anyone. Go take your fanboyism elsewhere.

 

[redpriest_]

Well, Wingznut, coming from you, that's surely an unbiased source, LOL.

Not speaking for anyone but myself.

redpriest

 

[Pentium]

AMD will survive. This is just a recession. AMD may one day be the no 1 chipmaker as well, considering the performance of their CPUs.

If Opteron is accepted by many large businesses, Xeon will have to be more than a dual CPU capable P4 with a lower FSB.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Won't a recession if AMD acts properly be more to AMD than Intels advantage? With all their traditional price gouging that is.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: redpriest_
Well, Wingznut, coming from you, that's surely an unbiased source, LOL.

Not speaking for anyone but myself.

redpriest

Which part did you have a problem with, red?

 

[FriedRiceBob]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: redpriest_
Well, Wingznut, coming from you, that's surely an unbiased source, LOL.

Not speaking for anyone but myself.

redpriest

Which part did you have a problem with, red?

I think he was referring to the ".13µ Lithography Technician, Intel Corp." part of your signature

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: FriedRiceBob

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: redpriest_
Well, Wingznut, coming from you, that's surely an unbiased source, LOL.

Not speaking for anyone but myself.

redpriest

Which part did you have a problem with, red?

I think he was referring to the ".13µ Lithography Technician, Intel Corp." part of your signature

Well, I know that... But why is it a problem? And what did I say that was so "biased"?

 

[Kell]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: FriedRiceBob

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: redpriest_
Well, Wingznut, coming from you, that's surely an unbiased source, LOL.

Not speaking for anyone but myself.

redpriest

Which part did you have a problem with, red?

I think he was referring to the ".13µ Lithography Technician, Intel Corp." part of your signature

Well, I know that... But why is it a problem? And what did I say that was so "biased"?

I thought it was just a friendly jab myself.

Anyways, i agree w/ most people here. AMD isn't going anywyere, and we really don't want Intel to go bust either.

 

[redls1]

I heard that amd and mac may join up and do something! Anybody else?

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: rIpTOr
nobody owns anyone. Go take your fanboyism elsewhere.

you do it too hypocrite

Originally posted by: rIpTOr
Not only that but unlike the Athlon/XP the Hammer will be very attractive to the server market. It will most likely beat the Xeon CPU's and will be a low cost 64bit colution compared to the insanely priced Itanium chips. Combine that with Intel's latest SSE2 and I think AMD has a pretty good chance. Also unlike the K6-2/3, the Athlon XP will continue to live on (Barton)

And the Itanium is FAR from insanely priced, $10k for a full blown 1GHz 3MB Itanium server is very attractive IMHO for a superfast 64bit server. And I do agree the Opteron will be nicely priced compaired to the Itanium, but I dont think it can match its performance (but this is just a hunch). And dont compare the hammer to the current 2.8GHz Xeons (not saying you were ) But the prescott Xeons are coming too, with HT, 800Mhz FSB 1MB L2, and 3.2-4GHz+ clock speeds. That will be about 2x the speeds of the hammer chips, i think amd should be thinking higher clock speeds and not the ICP per clock crap.

SSXeon

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: SSXeon5
i think amd should be thinking higher clock speeds and not the ICP per clock crap.

SSXeon

How is "higher ICP per clock" crap? All I care about is performance. Some guys go, "Intel sucks! It takes a 2.8GHz P4 to match a 2.25GHz Athlon! HAHA!!", others go, "AMD sucks! They're still at 2.25GHz and Intel just passed 3GHz! HAHA!!". I say they're both fools. What difference does it make how each company achieves the necessary performance levels, as long as they achieve them? If a 2.5GHz Opteron matches a 4GHz Prescott Xeon (not saying it well, just asking for the sake of argument), is ICP per clock still crap?

 

[GrimReaperPOH]

AMD Athlon chips are much better designed then P4s

Take the heatsink off of an AMD and see how long it lasts.

I have had several AMD chips before, but never again. The AMD vs Intel flame threads will not change anybody's views. Its like comparing Fords and Chevrolets, each person has his or her favorite.

 

[Mikki]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: SSXeon5
i think amd should be thinking higher clock speeds and not the ICP per clock crap.

SSXeon

How is "higher ICP per clock" crap? All I care about is performance. Some guys go, "Intel sucks! It takes a 2.8GHz P4 to match a 2.25GHz Athlon! HAHA!!", others go, "AMD sucks! They're still at 2.25GHz and Intel just passed 3GHz! HAHA!!". I say they're both fools. What difference does it make how each company achieves the necessary performance levels, as long as they achieve them? If a 2.5GHz Opteron matches a 4GHz Prescott Xeon (not saying it well, just asking for the sake of argument), is ICP per clock still crap?

Well said, mate. I don't listen to the fanboys, I listen to those that go for the best performance. Coke or Pepsi? Who the heck cares, it's just cola! I love these threads....

 

[Remedy]

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AMD Athlon chips are much better designed then P4s

Take the heatsink off of an AMD and see how long it lasts.

Anyone who will try such fatal move should never ever in their life touch electronics again.

 

[rIpTOr]

poor SSXeon you still think I'm a fanboy go away. The truth is I dont like fanboys. They tend to put down one company be it Intel or AMD, Nvidia or ATI. Then I just want laugh at them for putting pride on a silocon. And yes I do think $10,000 is a lot for a computer.

 

[Banana]

Why do people hope that either AMD or Intel would "die?" The continued existence of both would benefit all. Have you noticed that bad news at Intel would also lower AMD stock price, and vice versa?

My gripe: When will the AthlonXP fall below the magical $50 mark, and the Duron 1G below the $30 mark? The prices have been stuck there for a while . . .

1YP

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Why do people hope that either AMD or Intel would "die?"
1YP

Nobody said they wanted either AMD or Intel to die. Its more like everyone wants to them live.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

seeing intel get hurt big time would be nice tho and become closer down to amds size would be cool