How many bottles of coolant?

[bleucharm28]

How many of these http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thec6noncoco.html do i need if i have 275ml reservoir and Feser 480 Quad Radiator

 

[Zap]

Probably just one, and top off the rest with steam distilled water (available at finer grocery stores everywhere for under $1).

In fact, if you know that you aren't mixing copper and aluminum in your loop, then you can just do plain distilled water with a silver coil or silver plated barb (for algaecide).

 

[aigomorla]

list entire eq.

u may be fine with just distilled water.

 

[bleucharm28]

HK 3.0 Acetal top CPU Block
Bitspower N/S Chipset
Bitspower Mofsets II & III
Bitspower compression fittings (reg)
D5 vario pump
feser Quad480
feser White tubing

 

[aigomorla]

HK 3.0 Acetal top CPU Block
Bitspower N/S Chipset
Bitspower Mofsets II & III
Bitspower compression fittings (reg)
D5 vario pump
feser Quad480
feser White tubing

go out to a drug store / auto store / grocery store...

and pick up a 1 gallon jug of "Distilled" water.

Your fine without any additives, so ignore the little blue bottles.

Just flush your coolant every 6 months, and you may want to add a bit of silver.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/sikibyia.html

That should be all u need.. and yes the silver is reusable.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Just flush your coolant every 6 months, and you may want to add a bit of silver.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/sikibyia.html

That should be all u need.. and yes the silver is reusable.

I always loved their warning section for that product:

Warning: This product contains...uh...Silver!

• If ingested, you may choke... so just don't do that.

• If contact with skin occurs, smile... you're holding silver!

• AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES! If contact with eyes occurs... wait, why are you shoving metal coils into your eyes?

 

[bleucharm28]

kewl. what about the Feser corrsion blocker fluid? it came with my radiator. I can mix it with distilled water? Or because i've already have purchased http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thec6noncoco.html just use until next fluid change? and YES is heck of alot cheaper going with distilled water.

 

[Meghan54]

You've got nothing in your loop to corrode, ie., no aluminum. So the Feser junk is just that....more junk to only clog up your block.

 

[YBS1]

Do not mix anything with that if you have already bought it, especially water, distilled or otherwise. The whole point of paying $15-20 for a single liter of cooling fluid is that it is non-conductive (I had a faulty bitspower fitting recently, glad I was using Feser One F1). The price itself isn't all that different anyway once you consider the price of the distilled water, corrosion inhibitors, algae inhibitors, dye, etc.

To answer the original question, one liter may do the job but it will be borderline. My system holds just shy of one full liter. I'd get two just in case and to have some extra on hand to top off your reservoir occasionally.

 

[Visaoni]

Do not mix anything with that if you have already bought it, especially water, distilled or otherwise. The whole point of paying $15-20 for a single liter of cooling fluid is that it is non-conductive (I had a faulty bitspower fitting recently, glad I was using Feser One F1). The price itself isn't all that different anyway once you consider the price of the distilled water, corrosion inhibitors, algae inhibitors, dye, etc.

You use distilled water and not tap water (or other water) partially because the distilled is, for these purposes, essentially non-conductive.

Trust me, nobody is advocating the use of a conductive liquid in close proximity to computer hardware.

 

[aigomorla]

kewl. what about the Feser corrsion blocker fluid? it came with my radiator. I can mix it with distilled water? Or because i've already have purchased http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thec6noncoco.html just use until next fluid change? and YES is heck of alot cheaper going with distilled water.

that little bottle contains ethyl glycol.

you dont need it unless your mixing metals, or your not running silver.

EthGly, when fed though an injector sometimes clumps up into jelly like matter and clog your blocks.

Its been documented... so just use that kill coil silver instead, and run straight distilled.

 

[Meghan54]

The whole point of paying $15-20 for a single liter of cooling fluid is that it is non-conductive (I had a faulty bitspower fitting recently, glad I was using Feser One F1). The price itself isn't all that different anyway once you consider the price of the distilled water, corrosion inhibitors, algae inhibitors, dye, etc.

First, Feser fluid is no less conductive than pure distilled and may really be more conductive in actuality. Don't tell me you've fallen for Feser's "demonstration" of their non-conductive fluid with the fan submersed and running in their fluid, have you? That bit of marketing FUD was busted when the same demonstration was done with pink lemonade with the same exact results.

Fluid, even pure distilled which is the most non-conductive fluid consumers can obtain commercially at a reasonable price, will regain its conductivity when it is exposed to dust, dirt, metals, etc. Actually, the most inert fluid one can use in electronics cooling is from 3M....Flourinert series, esp. Flourinert FC70 and FC770. But these can cost, in FC770's case, approx. $155 per 250ml., a full liter is $385, and that's when you can find it. FC70 is more expensive.


Second, all those additives.....corrosion, etc. are essentially unnecessary. A properly set up loops with properly chosen components, meaning no aluminum mixed with copper/brass, needs no anti-corrosion additives, additives which reduce the heat carrying capabilities of the coolant.

One will need anti-algae additives, but that's only if you leave your loop set up for extended periods without maintenance. Flushing your loop every 6 months will essentially keep algae from growing. Or you can simply add a piece of pure silver to your coolant....this will inhibit algae growth quite nicely and not impact your coolant negatively.

The Feser stuff, and I'll refrain from calling it junk, is just overpriced snake oil that has no special properties that cannot be found in plain old steam distilled water that can be found in almost every grocery store and pharmacy in the U.S.

 

[YBS1]

First, Feser fluid is no less conductive than pure distilled and may really be more conductive in actuality. Don't tell me you've fallen for Feser's "demonstration" of their non-conductive fluid with the fan submersed and running in their fluid, have you?

No, the demonstration I fell for was the one where where a faulty bitspower fitting sprayed fluid all over my Foxconn Bloodrage and 4890's. While true pure water itself is non-conductive, I'd guess (and it's just a guess) it would regain conductivity from contaminants more easily than a fluid such as Feser F1.
I never argued he shouldn't use distilled water, but apparently some failed to read he had already purchased a bottle of Thermochill non conductive coolant, why would he waste it now?

 

[aigomorla]

I'd guess (and it's just a guess) it would regain conductivity from contaminants more easily than a fluid such as Feser F1.
I never argued he shouldn't use distilled water, but apparently some failed to read he had already purchased a bottle of Thermochill non conductive coolant, why would he waste it now?

no... cuz fesser is a bit more vicous... it actually more nastier when you have a spill vs distilled when you look at cleanup.

Fesser coolant is absolutely junk.. all premix coolant is junk, unless you know what your using it for.

If your not mixing copper + alu.. just go with distilled unless you want the blingy colors.


Oh i say feser coolant is junk.. but i really like there tubing, which has shown me its very durable and they made something that's cheap correct.

And thats just the thing.. he lost money... and im sorry he did.
HE should of asked first b4 pressing the buy button like what i tell everyone.

Its smarter to ask a really stupid question and get laughed at, then make a stupid mistake and cry over.

Its not recomended to mix distilled in premixes because u offset the concentration, and also accelerate the coolant clumping.

Long story short.... when in doubt ask b4 u commit. And make sure u get several answers and not just 1.

 

[Gutcheck2009]

But he is mixing metals. Almost all loops have different metals. My blocks are Nickel, my CPU block is copper, my radiators, who knows....

 

[WoodButcher]

But he is mixing metals. Almost all loops have different metals. My blocks are Nickel, my CPU block is copper, my radiators, who knows....

I do.
Copper, brass and nickel or chrome plate, all metals that are quite happy in the same bath.
As long as bleucharm28 stays away from aluminum he'd be just fine, you too, just get rid of that crap that clogs the blocks.

Loop
• Tubing PrimoFlex Pro LRT UV White Tubing -3/8in. ID X 5/8in. OD (10ft)
• Coolant Feser One Non-Conductive Water Cooling Coolant (2 x 32 oz.) - UV Red
• Reservoir XSPC 5.25" BayTwo Black Reservoir Bay w/ Red LED
• Pump 2 x Swiftech MCP350 12 VDC Pump
• Radiator 1 HardWare Labs X-Flow Extreme III
• Radiator 2 Feser X-Changer 120
• Radiator 3 HardWare Labs GTX Xtreame M184
• CPU Block Swiftech GTZ
• Fittings Bitspower Compression Fitting-ID 3/8" OD 5/8" (x5)
• Fittings Bitspower G1/4 Dual Rotary 45-Degree Compression Fitting-ID 3/8" OD 5/8" (x7
• Fittings Bitspower G1/4 Dual Rotary 90-Degree Compression Fitting-ID 3/8” OD 5/8" (x1)
• Misc Parts Bitspower Acrylic T-Block, Bitspower Temp Sensor, Bitspower Male to Male G 1/4 Fitting
• Fans ******** White ISG Fan12 120mm (x5)
• Fans Skyth Kraze 90mm 2000RPM (x2)

 

[Schmide]

But he is mixing metals. Almost all loops have different metals. My blocks are Nickel, my CPU block is copper, my radiators, who knows....

I personally use an inhibitor.

The way I understand it. The nobility of the metal helps determine their reactivity with each other. Most of the materials used in modern watercooling share the same or greater nobility. When a galvanic reactions occurs, the less noble metal is deposited on the more noble metal. So you have Nickel, Brass, Copper, and alloys like Sliver Nickel and Nickel Chrome all at the same relative nobility, within 0.15v of each other on the Anodic Index. The silver coil which many people use to prevent corrosion of their equipment has a much higher Anodic Index and will capture any of the lesser metals that reduce themselves into the solution. The worst corrosion happens when a lesser metal deposits itself on a greater metal.

 

[WoodButcher]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

what he said!
Thanks schmide, you explain things well. Just so you know, I've used your posts on more than one occasion as a starting point for research.

The "Anodic Index",,, I always thought of the periodic tables but I'm sure this was wrong. I have replaced more than one zinc in my time and understand the need in salt water but without the correct terminology in my own head it's tough to explain to a noob why his prop is at the bottom of the channel because he didn't replace his zincs.
thanks again.

 

[aigomorla]

well there is one other element you need to be worried about in a mix metal setup, and that is rust.

:X

SS if not decient quality will rust.

 

[Schmide]

Thanks WoodButcher :$

BTW If you have iron in your system you deserve the rust?

I guess some impeller shafts are stainless steal, still it's lacking a source of oxygen, unless you have a bong by the ocean.

 

[aigomorla]

Thanks WoodButcher :$

BTW If you have iron in your system you deserve the rust?

I guess some impeller shafts are stainless steal,

was actually poor SS. And it was a cap to something.

But yeah ive been though hell and back with water.

 

[bleucharm28]

Silver KillCoils. Is it safe to put it in one of the inlets in the pump? i have d5Vario.

 

[aigomorla]

Silver KillCoils. Is it safe to put it in one of the inlets in the pump? i have d5Vario.

id put it inside the tubing.. and towards the outlet..

You really dont want to risk something getting inside your impeller chamber.