How many laws?

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of laws and regulations in the US.

Legislatures produce only one thing, and that's paperwork. Want healthcare? Thousands of pages of regs by the time it's done.

That's how it's always been and it never will change.
 

boomerang

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I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of laws and regulations in the US.

Legislatures produce only one thing, and that's paperwork. Want healthcare? Thousands of pages of regs by the time it's done.

That's how it's always been and it never will change.
They're legislators - they legislate. Politicians only know one answer to problems or issues and that's to write and pass a law.

The joke going around the Motor City is that the automotive task force told the domestics, that we the taxpayers own, what their vision of an automobile would be. After expressing their desires, people in the auto business shook their heads and informed them that what they wanted was not possible. When asked why, they told the task force that the laws of physics dictated that it could not be done.

The answer was that those laws could be changed. The task force just needed to know which ones they were and they would get right on it.

This has been presented as being a true story which I think is entirely possible as nobody on the task force knows anything about manufacturing anything, especially cars.

Edit: The link in the OP is referring to that many laws on a state level. Still a lot of laws, but it's not the feds that enacted that many.
 
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They're legislators - they legislate. Politicians only know one answer to problems or issues and that's to write and pass a law.

The joke going around the Motor City is that the automotive task force told the domestics, that we the taxpayers own, what their vision of an automobile would be. After expressing their desires, people in the auto business shook their heads and informed them that what they wanted was not possible. When asked why, they told the task force that the laws of physics dictated that it could not be done.

The answer was that those laws could be changed. The task force just needed to know which ones they were and they would get right on it.

This has been presented as being a true story which I think is entirely possible as nobody on the task force knows anything about manufacturing anything, especially cars.

Edit: The link in the OP is referring to that many laws on a state level. Still a lot of laws, but it's not the feds that enacted that many.

There should be more laws on the state level when compared to the federal level.
 

Mike Gayner

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Do Americans even realise how insanely corrupt their Government is? If so, why don't you get more pissed off about it?
 

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40K+ going in effect 01/01/2010 @ the state level and you want more?

City > County > State > Federal
(in quantity of laws)
That is how I want it.

Fewer QUALITY laws are better if they are enforced.

Take driving while talking on the cell phone. Instead of enacting laws that make talking on the cell phone while driving illegal, simply enforce existing reckless driving laws against those who are driving recklessly. Problem solved.

The fact of the matter is that legislators think they have to jusify their existence by continuously passing laws weather citizens like it or not.
 
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CPA

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It's funny how we consider ourselves to be a free society when we have more laws than most countries.
 

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No one really knows how many laws there are. Just on the federal level estimates are between 10,000 and 300,000. Give or take.
 

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And remember, ignorance is no excuse! There was a judge who wrote a book about how many felonies the average person commits in a day without even knowing it. I think the answer was three.
 

bob4432

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If they are so corrupt, then why do you support them having more control over us?

most people just stick there heads in the sand and get reinforced from the very lawmakers saying "this is good for you & the children"....plus you have the media reinforcing it in every direction through tv, radio, texts, internet ads, emails, etc.

sadly the people that bring light of the situations usually get labeled or just blown off a conspiracy theorist and "where is your tinfoil hat" type of comments.
 

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most people just stick there heads in the sand and get reinforced from the very lawmakers saying "this is good for you & the children"....plus you have the media reinforcing it in every direction through tv, radio, texts, internet ads, emails, etc.

sadly the people that bring light of the situations usually get labeled or just blown off a conspiracy theorist and "where is your tinfoil hat" type of comments.


I've often seen the "if this saves one life it will be worth it" argument. It's an emotional appeal which is used to discourage debate, and works too often.
 

boomerang

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Do Americans even realise how insanely corrupt their Government is? If so, why don't you get more pissed off about it?
We are. The movement is brewing, stewing and picking up steam. Although there are inherent problems with trying to change our government.

One is the shear size of the country. Also, it's difficult to change the status quo. The very people that need to be weeded out are in control and making the rules. For instance, there is a rumor afloat that sometime early this year crowds will no longer be able to congregate on the National Mall. This is the area where demonstrations are held in DC. I don't consider this much more than a rumor, but if true, you can understand what those that would like to see their government reined in are up against. With the help of the media those with power in Washington have been able to plead ignorance to protests being held there. It's in their best interests to just outlaw congregation on the National Mall.

The corruption is difficult to turn around because it has been going on for many, many decades. It has snowballed in the last 10 years IMO. It would have been better to nip it in the bud, but it deepens and widens slowly and it has to reach large proportions for most to see it or even start to care. Ours is becoming to a greater degree a society of entitlement. If or when the majority are on the public dole, one can understand that it will be impossible to turn the system around. It will of course eventually collapse under its own weight. But ignorance is bliss.

The changing of control by political parties lulls people into a sense of contentment too. When you hate what X party is doing and Y party seizes power, human nature is such that it tends to make one feel that everything will now be all right. The truth is that both X and Y are crooks.

Interesting times. The elections this fall will tell the tale. There is a third party that is picking up steam. Personally, I would not be at all surprised to find that there is a "crisis" that postpones those elections indefinitely.
 
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Mike Gayner

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One is the shear size of the country. Also, it's difficult to change the status quo. The very people that need to be weeded out are in control and making the rules. For instance, there is a rumor afloat that sometime early this year crowds will no longer be able to congregate on the National Mall. This is the area where demonstrations are held in DC. I don't consider this much more than a rumor, but if true, you can understand what those that would like to see their government reined in are up against. With the help of the media those with power in Washington have been able to plead ignorance to protests being held there. It's in their best interests to just outlaw congregation on the National Mall.

If the American public weren't so stupid and apathetic, it would never have gotten to the point where it is now, so I don't expect anything to change any time soon. The fact that the public are currently told where they can demonstrate, and the fact that this area is already over a mile away from the White House or the Capitol Building, is bothersome. I guess that American public was sold on this in the interests of "security" for their politicians. I'm not sure citizens of other countries would be so willing to be told where they can and can't demonstrate. I can't see Americans fighting very hard for this right, considering all the other basic rights they willingly concede on a regular basis.

For comparison, here is a picture of our Parliamentary buildings in NZ. Because we are not stupid, we recognise that this is public land, owned by the people and NOT the politicians. As such, we are allowed almost anywhere we want on this property, and demonstrations are regularly held on the steps of this building.

 

waggy

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Like those people complaining about LED traffic lights.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/us/02lights.html?ref=us

that is a good example of not thinking something through. I would have thought someone would have asked how it would do in the winter and test it.

now man of the lights in some states are LCD. They did this to cut cost and for "green" reasons. Now they have to pay crews to go out and brush them off (wasting tax money and more pollution)


I remember reading a article in one of the major papers that mentioned that there is no way a person can know all the laws we have. Not to mention there are some laws that contradict others and many people brake EVERY day.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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If the American public weren't so stupid and apathetic, it would never have gotten to the point where it is now, so I don't expect anything to change any time soon. The fact that the public are currently told where they can demonstrate, and the fact that this area is already over a mile away from the White House or the Capitol Building, is bothersome. I guess that American public was sold on this in the interests of "security" for their politicians. I'm not sure citizens of other countries would be so willing to be told where they can and can't demonstrate. I can't see Americans fighting very hard for this right, considering all the other basic rights they willingly concede on a regular basis.

For comparison, here is a picture of our Parliamentary buildings in NZ. Because we are not stupid, we recognise that this is public land, owned by the people and NOT the politicians. As such, we are allowed almost anywhere we want on this property, and demonstrations are regularly held on the steps of this building.



Nice building and the people from NZ I know are mostly OK. I know two on here. One is GodlessAstronomer, who I think is pretty smart. The other is a numb nuts.
 

boomerang

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If the American public weren't so stupid and apathetic, it would never have gotten to the point where it is now, so I don't expect anything to change any time soon. The fact that the public are currently told where they can demonstrate, and the fact that this area is already over a mile away from the White House or the Capitol Building, is bothersome. I guess that American public was sold on this in the interests of "security" for their politicians. I'm not sure citizens of other countries would be so willing to be told where they can and can't demonstrate. I can't see Americans fighting very hard for this right, considering all the other basic rights they willingly concede on a regular basis.

For comparison, here is a picture of our Parliamentary buildings in NZ. Because we are not stupid, we recognise that this is public land, owned by the people and NOT the politicians. As such, we are allowed almost anywhere we want on this property, and demonstrations are regularly held on the steps of this building.
We have an idiom here in the States. It goes; 'You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar'.

While I'm not personally offended, repeatedly calling Americans "stupid and apathetic", is not the best way to get one's point across. The thing about name calling, besides being juvenile, is that it has the tendency to make people ignore you. In this case it also sends a clear message. Your concern is not with our political system, your prime motivation is bashing us. That's fine, we're used to it.

I don't disagree with your points about public property and such, far from it, but the manner in which you present it does nothing to make your case. At this point I consider you nothing more than yet another foreigner poking his nose into other people's business.

Good luck in the future.
 
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