How SICK can Christian's be...

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Nik
Those murderers are no more Christian than the terrrorists who flew into the WTC were Muslim (or whatever). When your religion calls you to live by peace and you murder thousands and thousands of people, there's no way in hell (haha) that you're actually part of that religion. You're just a twisted fvck.

if this post referred to me, just where in my posts have I advocated murder of thousands and thousands of people?

I wasn't referring to you at all, Sultan -unless you actually believe that the Christian god, under the New Testament law, or the Muslim law would ever call for the murder of thousands and thousands of innocent people.

Thanks. No, I do not believe that THE Divine being would call for "murder" through any religion. However, all religions have advocated "capital punishment" which is quite different from "murder".

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Nik
Those murderers are no more Christian than the terrrorists who flew into the WTC were Muslim (or whatever). When your religion calls you to live by peace and you murder thousands and thousands of people, there's no way in hell (haha) that you're actually part of that religion. You're just a twisted fvck.

quoted for fvcking emphasis.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
I do but am I sure that I am right, no. In the case of Israel they want to be somewhat apart of Europe, they want to be apart of western society but some of their actions condradict what is considered to be moraly right for majority of the people. If they were trying to be a part of the middle east then it would be different because then they would be putting their case to a different culture.

Does Israel really want to be a part of Europe? How so? Does it supercede all other belonging? I'm not sure about that. It seems that you're now applying whatever label you can to whatever you criticize. I could easily do the same for every place in the world.

Ah, OK. So it's OK if, say, Middle Eastern countries want to commit a genocide? You would not condemn it? I suppose you are fine with doing nothing about Sudan. You are fine with genocide happening in Asia, Africa, South America, etc. I suppose you were not outraged about Rwanda.

This is a horrible argument. You are basically an extreme isolationist.

Again, did you not just state that you would not tolerate this happening at your doorstep? But you would tolerate it happening elsewhere? Not much of a humanitarian-like way about you.

Sorry, but your argument is horrendous and is just a way of saying that genocide, murder, rape, etc. cannot be condemned. I am sure enough of myself to say that bashing a kid's head open with a rock is barbaric, as is genocide, rape, and murder. You apparently do not feel that way.

If we agree to a law then we abide by them. We have agreed to human right laws so we abide by them. If we were writing new human rights laws then we would go back to the question of what human laws are. Someday we will go back to the drawing board and write new laws.

Do you assume you are correct?

You're going off on a tangent.

You do not believe in the very existence of the term 'human rights violation' in many many countries with your argument.

We will most likely have to agree to disagree. You are too unsure of yourself to condemn the genocide of Rwanda or what is happening in the Sudan. You are apparently too unsure of yourself to condemn a murder, rape, genocide, torture, etc. happening in another area of the world. I am surely more confident that a murder, genocide, rape, etc. is wrong, regardless of where it takes place.

 

[TuxDave]

RabidMongoose. From what I read from Czar's posts, this is what he's basically saying. Imagine morality to be like the origin of life. Czar is saying that he has a pretty good understand of his morality just like how scientists have a pretty good idea of how life originated on Earth. However they both will not disagree to possibility that they may be wrong. The fact that they are not willing to make a 100% guarantee does not make automatically make them wrong.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
RabidMongoose. From what I read from Czar's posts, this is what he's basically saying. Imagine morality to be like the origin of life. Czar is saying that he has a pretty good understand of his morality just like how scientists have a pretty good idea of how life originated on Earth. However they both will not disagree to possibility that they may be wrong. The fact that they are not willing to make a 100% guarantee does not make automatically make them wrong.

:thumbsup:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
RabidMongoose. From what I read from Czar's posts, this is what he's basically saying. Imagine morality to be like the origin of life. Czar is saying that he has a pretty good understand of his morality just like how scientists have a pretty good idea of how life originated on Earth. However they both will not disagree to possibility that they may be wrong. The fact that they are not willing to make a 100% guarantee does not make automatically make them wrong.

I think your analogy is a little different.

If someone comes up to the scientists and says that life originated from some absurd method or source then they would probably laugh at such a remark.

In addition I don't think your analogy really applies to Czar's logic. He has admitted that he believes that it is wrong - but will not apply the same belief elsewhere.

I would like Czar to explain his argument a little better, especially with respect to the comments I made.

 

[Sultan]

Big Jesus :shocked:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother...he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

 

[Ahill]

The fact of the matter is man kind has a great capability for evil. Classifying the evil as christian, muslim, catholic or whetever serves no purpose. You are what your actions say you are no matter how you or anyone else classify yourself. People will use the guise of religion to justify thier actions. It does not make the religion wrong just the person. To stereotype any race, class, or religion based on the actions of few shows true ignorance.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Condor
If memory serves, we Christians had to intervene in that mess to help Muslims. Where were the other Muslim civilizations then? Why didn't they help?

I bet the Iran and Iraq would have helped, unless that would have just made USA mad...

The arab world did not help because such an action requests not only big military forces, but also a huge logistic support (which the arab world doesn't have)

Calin

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Calin

Originally posted by: Condor
If memory serves, we Christians had to intervene in that mess to help Muslims. Where were the other Muslim civilizations then? Why didn't they help?

I bet the Iran and Iraq would have helped, unless that would have just made USA mad...

The arab world did not help because such an action requests not only big military forces, but also a huge logistic support (which the arab world doesn't have)

Calin

Additionally, the UN and the US had imposed an arms embargo on Bosnia (which btw is the topic of this thread) and therefore many nations with Muslim majority were not able to contribute military aid to the Bosnians. On the other hand, Serbia was receiving all the aid from Russia. Only after the world watching massacres like these; there has been more than this particular incident, that the Christian civilization was made to intervene and even then, ground forces were not dispatched, (if I am not mistaken) ever!