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destrekor

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That is pointless, to be honest.

PCI can double the USB 2.0 High Speed throughput, but cannot compete with USB 3.0. An ideal, single-connection USB 2.0 would have about 60MB/s, whereas PCI can deliver 133MB/s. USB 3.0 can deliver 625MB/s (1.25GB/s for USB 3.1).


OP, I'd suggest forgetting the idea of getting USB 3.0 ports. They won't serve an actual function for you, because a device that can be connected with USB 3.0 can be connected to 2.0, it will just run slower. Considering only storage devices of any kind can saturate USB 2.0, this is only an issue if you need fast external storage.

If you have the desire for faster external drives, I'd suggest eSATA.
An internal SATA to eSATA adapter bracket and an eSATA-capable drive or eSATA enclosure will be exactly what you'd need for faster external disk throughput.

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Even the oldest iteration of SATA will outpace conventional PCI, delivering 150MB/s. SATA II has 300MB/s to offer, and SATA III can provide 600MB/s.

If you are looking for faster card reader or USB stick (aka thumb drive) support, well, USB 3.0 doesn't exactly bring that much for smaller capacity devices. An external SSD like Samsung offers? Yes, those will saturate USB 3.0, but any USB 3.0 stick or even the faster SD Cards can rarely, rarely achieve the throughput numbers they boast on the packaging. Most storage will be more randomized and end up going much slower due to the way file systems work on the small memory packages in those devices. An SSD has so many memory packages that it can produce faster rates.

You might get faster read speeds copying data off a stick or SD card, but most often, it won't be significantly faster compared to saturating USB 2.0.

If you are intent on the fastest external storage possible, go with eSATA for the time being. Be it an SSD or standard HDD in an external enclosure, you'll get the fastest useable speeds with eSATA in your situation.


That's my suggestion, especially if you are content with holding off any major system rebuilds (new motherboard and CPU) for a long while.


Do note that even the fastest SSD on SATA III isn't significantly faster in real-world use than if it is on SATA II. It certainly shows in benchmarks, but in real daily usage, the difference is THAT drastic. Enough to notice for power users in some instances, but not necessarily all the time.
Which is to say, whether you have a 300MB/s connection or 600MB/s connection, it isn't going to really be a big issue, especially if it's a standard external HDD. You would notice USB 3.0 over USB 2.0, but connected to eSATA using SATA II, that drive will not saturate the connection, and you have zero throughput difference between USB 3.0 and SATA II, heck, the drive might not saturate SATA I.
 

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Or!

You could buy the PCI adapter then buy the USB 3.1 docking station.
 

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Thanks for the long reply. I wasn't aware of esata. Lack of USB3 was not the only thing of this old PC. It only had 2 GB of memory and the hard drive was working super-hard each time a new program is loaded. When I saw G3258+MSI Z97 board combo ad from newegg for about 120 and bought it on a whim. By the way, for the helpful advice, if you can use an old Phenom II 555 X2 and an AM2 motherboard, they are yours. Thanks again.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Everybody is going to find limits and issues trying to add a new device, controller etc. as an afterthought. If you could really anticipate your future needs, one might have chosen a different motherboard.

All the Sandy-Bridge devotees here in the forums offer up kudos for the ASUS P8Z68-V Pro/Deluxe/pro-Gen3 motherboards. Whoopee. you get your extra feature Marvell SATA controller, your Asmedia USB 3.0 controller, your SI eSATA controller. You have three x16 slots, but the bottom or 3rd slot will only run maximum x4. But if you configure it to x4, you lose the Asmedia USb3, the eSATA and the 1st and 2nd PCI-E x1 slots.

But I'd need to use the 3rd x16 (as x4) slot if I want to add a PCI-E SATA-III 4-port controller -- which is only x2. The only other possibility for me requires that I jettison the 2nd graphics card for my SLI configuration.

Choices, choices, choices. At least I can add another USB3 PCI-E x1 controller with the 20-pin internal plug to the 3rd PCI-E x16 (as x1). But no SATA controller without removing the 2nd graphics card.

What amazes me is that PCI-E-to-PCI conversion card. Not that something of that nature wouldn't come in handy for some rare situation, but who would think such an item exists?
 

destrekor

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Everybody is going to find limits and issues trying to add a new device, controller etc. as an afterthought. If you could really anticipate your future needs, one might have chosen a different motherboard.

All the Sandy-Bridge devotees here in the forums offer up kudos for the ASUS P8Z68-V Pro/Deluxe/pro-Gen3 motherboards. Whoopee. you get your extra feature Marvell SATA controller, your Asmedia USB 3.0 controller, your SI eSATA controller. You have three x16 slots, but the bottom or 3rd slot will only run maximum x4. But if you configure it to x4, you lose the Asmedia USb3, the eSATA and the 1st and 2nd PCI-E x1 slots.

But I'd need to use the 3rd x16 (as x4) slot if I want to add a PCI-E SATA-III 4-port controller -- which is only x2. The only other possibility for me requires that I jettison the 2nd graphics card for my SLI configuration.

Choices, choices, choices. At least I can add another USB3 PCI-E x1 controller with the 20-pin internal plug to the 3rd PCI-E x16 (as x1). But no SATA controller without removing the 2nd graphics card.

What amazes me is that PCI-E-to-PCI conversion card. Not that something of that nature wouldn't come in handy for some rare situation, but who would think such an item exists?

There's nothing wrong with the Z68 as for future proofing. No tech can be future-proof, and that the Sandy Bridge platform is still so useful today is actually a remarkable feat.

I have the non GEN3 board, so I don't even get PCIe 3.0 speeds.

USB 3.0 wasn't natively included in the platform at the time, and Intel's performance budget could only build in few SATA3 ports, so at least the Marvel option was there, although it seems most reports suggest the Marvel SATA3 ports perform at roughly SATA2 speeds. Heh.
I disabled all the extra features save for the USB 3.0 ports.
 

aigomorla

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That is pointless, to be honest.

PCI can double the USB 2.0 High Speed throughput, but cannot compete with USB 3.0. An ideal, single-connection USB 2.0 would have about 60MB/s, whereas PCI can deliver 133MB/s. USB 3.0 can deliver 625MB/s (1.25GB/s for USB 3.1).

^ totally this....

he hits the nail on using PCI for USB3.0.
 

BonzaiDuck

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There's nothing wrong with the Z68 as for future proofing. No tech can be future-proof, and that the Sandy Bridge platform is still so useful today is actually a remarkable feat.

I have the non GEN3 board, so I don't even get PCIe 3.0 speeds.

USB 3.0 wasn't natively included in the platform at the time, and Intel's performance budget could only build in few SATA3 ports, so at least the Marvel option was there, although it seems most reports suggest the Marvel SATA3 ports perform at roughly SATA2 speeds. Heh.
I disabled all the extra features save for the USB 3.0 ports.

No disagreement with any of that. I've got both boards. I don't think there's much of a shortfall for either single or dual-SLI in PCI-E 2.0 slots. If there is -- I don't miss it.

I build my systems with the limitations in mind. If I had 4 or 8 SATA-III ports, I'm not sure I'd find a use for them. Having two makes you think, plot and plan, though.

Here and there -- small irritations.
 
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