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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
And the Republican base thinks he's too liberal.

He is. Take a look at his fiscal policies and record as Governor. He's a fiscal liberal.

But the most dangerous part of Huckabee is the religious extremist. He's attempted to interject "God" in to just about everything in this damn campaign, and it's disgusting. :thumbsdown:

Do you also find it disgusting that this country was founded on God and many of the same beliefs that he has? I find it refreshing that we have a politician who isn't going to change his faith for political gain. His faith is where is ethics and morals are based, so for him to not let people know of his faith would be a lie, would it not? If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out, any of those other guys (save McCain), change their political views depending on which way the wind blew that day.

Most of his tax increases need to be researched more, I think you'll find out that there were some improvements he was required to make, and some requirements his citizens required him to make. Playing 30 second sound bites do not give you a good idea of what was done and why.
You don't see through this? He's using, it seems, his religion to further his self-righteousness. The only person who should be ammending the constitution to the bible would be Jesus. The rest aren't going to get it right, which is why much of this country totally relies, as do all decent Western societies, on a separation of religion and government. When I see f**kabee ranting on about his rubbish and telling people who mess with the Arkansas flag where they can put the pole, I don't see a man of the cloth.

If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out, any of those other guys (save McCain), change their political views depending on which way the wind blew that day.

That's hilarious, so now he's a mirror of Jesus because he claims to read the bible?

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out

Good to know what Huck believes.
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)

"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colossians 3:22)



 

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Originally posted by: kage69
Wow...


I guess history wasn't his best subject, there are more than a few examples of socially recognized gay unions in a number of cultures.

But what really made me laugh was his :

"The Bible was not written to be amended. The Constitution was,"

Typical baptist bullshit IMO. Wish someone would have asked him if he had ever heard of the Council of Nicea (for starters) In my experience, Southern evangelicals are the absolute kings of selective faith. To submit that scripture, and the ethics behind it, are off limits is the height of hypocrisy.

So, my question is - is Huckabee just pushing the pandering envelope with this latest round of fundie crap, or is he being serious in a scary "onward christian soldier" kinda way? As I've said before, it's easy to discount crap like this when it's spewing from the piehole of someone like Bush, but when it comes from someone like Huckabee who has spent a good portion of his life furthering "the gospel," well....

Since I'm offering questions here, when will the christians of America collectively wake up and stop being sucked in by this ignorant and hateful rhetoric?

edit: sorry, fixed quote

When is the media going to ask him some pointed questions to show his true colors and make him unacceptable to one side or the other, like, 'should the US be officially Christian?'
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
And the Republican base thinks he's too liberal.

He is. Take a look at his fiscal policies and record as Governor. He's a fiscal liberal.

But the most dangerous part of Huckabee is the religious extremist. He's attempted to interject "God" in to just about everything in this damn campaign, and it's disgusting. :thumbsdown:

Do you also find it disgusting that this country was founded on God and many of the same beliefs that he has? I find it refreshing that we have a politician who isn't going to change his faith for political gain. His faith is where is ethics and morals are based, so for him to not let people know of his faith would be a lie, would it not? If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out, any of those other guys (save McCain), change their political views depending on which way the wind blew that day.

Most of his tax increases need to be researched more, I think you'll find out that there were some improvements he was required to make, and some requirements his citizens required him to make. Playing 30 second sound bites do not give you a good idea of what was done and why.

I'm getting kind of sick of hearing the bolded part. It's not in fact true - the country was founded on principles of Adam Smith and John Locke, not Jesus Christ; and the entire impetus for the revolution was financial. Phrases like "god" and "equality" are necessarily interjected to sell it to the public at large given the obvious benefit to the very rich and obvious detriment to the poor.

As for your pious founders, you know that Jefferson wrote his own bible right?
 

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out

Good to know what Huck believes.
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)

"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colossians 3:22)

The problem with people who do not know the Bible is taking things out of context, or not using them properly, which you just did. I'm not even going to try to explain those versus to you.

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
And the Republican base thinks he's too liberal.

He is. Take a look at his fiscal policies and record as Governor. He's a fiscal liberal.

But the most dangerous part of Huckabee is the religious extremist. He's attempted to interject "God" in to just about everything in this damn campaign, and it's disgusting. :thumbsdown:

Do you also find it disgusting that this country was founded on God and many of the same beliefs that he has? I find it refreshing that we have a politician who isn't going to change his faith for political gain. His faith is where is ethics and morals are based, so for him to not let people know of his faith would be a lie, would it not? If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out, any of those other guys (save McCain), change their political views depending on which way the wind blew that day.

Most of his tax increases need to be researched more, I think you'll find out that there were some improvements he was required to make, and some requirements his citizens required him to make. Playing 30 second sound bites do not give you a good idea of what was done and why.
You don't see through this? He's using, it seems, his religion to further his self-righteousness. The only person who should be ammending the constitution to the bible would be Jesus. The rest aren't going to get it right, which is why much of this country totally relies, as do all decent Western societies, on a separation of religion and government. When I see f**kabee ranting on about his rubbish and telling people who mess with the Arkansas flag where they can put the pole, I don't see a man of the cloth.

If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out, any of those other guys (save McCain), change their political views depending on which way the wind blew that day.

That's hilarious, so now he's a mirror of Jesus because he claims to read the bible?

Nice! Way to put words in my mouth.

He's human like everyone else. I believe everything in the Bible as well, but I may not live it 100% of the time, and neither will he, he's human. I don't think he is self-righteous as all. He never said he should be amending the Bible... where did he say that? The constitution was made to be amended... rules for amending are there for a reason.

He isn't going to force everyone to go to church, and he cannot single handedly amend the constitution. It would have to go through the entire process.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
And the Republican base thinks he's too liberal.

He is. Take a look at his fiscal policies and record as Governor. He's a fiscal liberal.

But the most dangerous part of Huckabee is the religious extremist. He's attempted to interject "God" in to just about everything in this damn campaign, and it's disgusting. :thumbsdown:

Do you also find it disgusting that this country was founded on God and many of the same beliefs that he has? I find it refreshing that we have a politician who isn't going to change his faith for political gain. His faith is where is ethics and morals are based, so for him to not let people know of his faith would be a lie, would it not? If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out, any of those other guys (save McCain), change their political views depending on which way the wind blew that day.

Most of his tax increases need to be researched more, I think you'll find out that there were some improvements he was required to make, and some requirements his citizens required him to make. Playing 30 second sound bites do not give you a good idea of what was done and why.

I'm getting kind of sick of hearing the bolded part. It's not in fact true - the country was founded on principles of Adam Smith and John Locke, not Jesus Christ; and the entire impetus for the revolution was financial. Phrases like "god" and "equality" are necessarily interjected to sell it to the public at large given the obvious benefit to the very rich and obvious detriment to the poor.

As for your pious founders, you know that Jefferson wrote his own bible right?

He ain't alone though.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI...tian.nation/index.html
McCain also said he agreed with a recent poll that 55 percent of Americans believe the U.S. Constitution establishes a Christian nation. "I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation," he said.

Further:
"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith," the GOP presidential hopeful told the Web site in an interview published Saturday.

His favorite animal? Yep, the panderbear.
 

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
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I'm getting kind of sick of hearing the bolded part. It's not in fact true - the country was founded on principles of Adam Smith and John Locke, not Jesus Christ; and the entire impetus for the revolution was financial. Phrases like "god" and "equality" are necessarily interjected to sell it to the public at large given the obvious benefit to the very rich and obvious detriment to the poor.

As for your pious founders, you know that Jefferson wrote his own bible right?[/quote]

I don't care if they wrote their own bibles and sacrificed children to satan, the fact is that people came to America for religious freedom and a new life. This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ


Do you also find it disgusting that this country was founded on God and many of the same beliefs that he has?

Wrong.

His faith is where is ethics and morals are based..

I don't see how this could be a positive.

If I want to know what Huckabee's views are, I can just open a Bible and find out..

It's something like this that could drive me to do the unthinkable...vote for Hillary.
I'd probably need to spend the day in the shower with a can of lye trying to make myself clean after that.


 

K1052

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

No matter how many times you (or your religion of choice) says it does not make it so.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

No matter how many times you (or your religion of choice) says it does not make it so.

I find it funny that you are disputing every history book that is taught to Jr. Highers, yet you are bringing no evidence to the table.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: m1ldslide1


I'm getting kind of sick of hearing the bolded part. It's not in fact true - the country was founded on principles of Adam Smith and John Locke, not Jesus Christ; and the entire impetus for the revolution was financial. Phrases like "god" and "equality" are necessarily interjected to sell it to the public at large given the obvious benefit to the very rich and obvious detriment to the poor.

As for your pious founders, you know that Jefferson wrote his own bible right?

I don't care if they wrote their own bibles and sacrificed children to satan, the fact is that people came to America for religious freedom and a new life. This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

Now this is just funny - you're asserting that a basic tenet of Christianity is religious freedom? Be a good person and you're going to heaven? :laugh:

Sounds like you need to spend more time in church. A Christian nation and religious freedom are mutually exclusive.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

No matter how many times you (or your religion of choice) says it does not make it so.

I find it funny that you are disputing every history book that is taught to Jr. Highers, yet you are bringing no evidence to the table.

Fine.

Take a look at the founders of the nation. The major political figures were lax Episcopalians, Deists, and Agnostics. May of whom had major concerns about the influence of religion upon the state. Jefferson's hatred and fear of organized religion bordered on the pathological.

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." - James Madison

"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." - Thomas Jefferson

Additionally, the US Constitution does not once mention "God" in the entire text. The document itself and the Bill of Rights are very clearly products of the Enlightenment (as were the men who wrote it).
 

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ZeroIQ, please quit while you're ahead. You're making a fool of yourself.

I tend to believe this country was founded on Christian beliefs and principles but that has nothing to do with a Huckabee being a dangerous religious extremist. The guy can't go 2 sentences without talking about God and puts damn near every issue or point in some religious context or connotation. I find it disgusting, and offensive. He's exactly what the GOP does not need.

Let me repeat from previous discussions on this: The last thing this country needs is another "Save The World" crusader from Hope, Arkansas in the White House. And I dare say...as dangerous as Bill was, Huckabee just might be worse.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

No matter how many times you (or your religion of choice) says it does not make it so.

I find it funny that you are disputing every history book that is taught to Jr. Highers, yet you are bringing no evidence to the table.

Fine.

Take a look at the founders of the nation. The major political figures were lax Episcopalians, Deists, and Agnostics. May of whom had major concerns about the influence of religion upon the state. Jefferson's hatred and fear of organized religion bordered on the pathological.

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." - James Madison

"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." - Thomas Jefferson

Additionally, the US Constitution does not once mention "God" in the entire text. The document itself and the Bill of Rights are very clearly products of the Enlightenment (as were the men who wrote it).

I believe they are talking about the state religion that was forced. That does not mean our country was not founded on Christian values and religious and economic freedom. I'm not saying on an organized religion, I'm saying on the values and basic beliefs.

Yes, we've had leaders that weren't Christians and may have hated them, but that does not mean people did not come here for religious freedom. Many had different reasons for coming.

The fact that people dismiss Huckabee because he is a Christian and believes in his faith astounds me. I don't dismiss Romney because he is a mormon... I don't like him because of other reasons. People shouldn't be judged by their faith, but their actions. You may not agree with him morals, but you can't say he isn't a man that wouldn't stand for what he believes, unlike most other politicians who change their opinion with the wind.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
The fact that people dismiss Huckabee because he is a Christian and believes in his faith astounds me. I don't dismiss Romney because he is a mormon... I don't like him because of other reasons. People shouldn't be judged by their faith, but their actions. You may not agree with him morals, but you can't say he isn't a man that wouldn't stand for what he believes, unlike most other politicians who change their opinion with the wind.

You know, I despise Mitt Romney. But at least he isn't a religious extremist trying to push Mormonism on the country.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
ZeroIQ, please quit while you're ahead. You're making a fool of yourself.

I tend to believe this country was founded on Christian beliefs and principles but that has nothing to do with a Huckabee being a dangerous religious extremist. The guy can't go 2 sentences without talking about God and puts damn near every issue or point in some religious context or connotation. I find it disgusting, and offensive. He's exactly what the GOP does not need.

Let me repeat from previous discussions on this: The last thing this country needs is another "Save The World" crusader from Hope, Arkansas in the White House. And I dare say...as dangerous as Bill was, Huckabee just might be worse.

IMO none of the candidates are what the GOP needs.

Unlike what it may look like, I'm no religious nutjob. I find it very annoying to judge someone on their faith and not their actions. I find it no different for him talking about his faith with like minded folks than someone else talking about gay rights at a gay rights rally.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Pabster
ZeroIQ, please quit while you're ahead. You're making a fool of yourself.

I tend to believe this country was founded on Christian beliefs and principles but that has nothing to do with a Huckabee being a dangerous religious extremist. The guy can't go 2 sentences without talking about God and puts damn near every issue or point in some religious context or connotation. I find it disgusting, and offensive. He's exactly what the GOP does not need.

Let me repeat from previous discussions on this: The last thing this country needs is another "Save The World" crusader from Hope, Arkansas in the White House. And I dare say...as dangerous as Bill was, Huckabee just might be worse.

IMO none of the candidates are what the GOP needs.

Unlike what it may look like, I'm no religious nutjob. I find it very annoying to judge someone on their faith and not their actions. I find it no different for him talking about his faith with like minded folks than someone else talking about gay rights at a gay rights rally.

The difference is that the person talking about gay rights probably doesn't try to inject it into every 2nd sentence.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

No matter how many times you (or your religion of choice) says it does not make it so.

I find it funny that you are disputing every history book that is taught to Jr. Highers, yet you are bringing no evidence to the table.

Fine.

Take a look at the founders of the nation. The major political figures were lax Episcopalians, Deists, and Agnostics. May of whom had major concerns about the influence of religion upon the state. Jefferson's hatred and fear of organized religion bordered on the pathological.

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." - James Madison

"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." - Thomas Jefferson

Additionally, the US Constitution does not once mention "God" in the entire text. The document itself and the Bill of Rights are very clearly products of the Enlightenment (as were the men who wrote it).

I believe they are talking about the state religion that was forced. That does not mean our country was not founded on Christian values and religious and economic freedom. I'm not saying on an organized religion, I'm saying on the values and basic beliefs.

Yes, we've had leaders that weren't Christians and may have hated them, but that does not mean people did not come here for religious freedom. Many had different reasons for coming.

The fact that people dismiss Huckabee because he is a Christian and believes in his faith astounds me. I don't dismiss Romney because he is a mormon... I don't like him because of other reasons. People shouldn't be judged by their faith, but their actions. You may not agree with him morals, but you can't say he isn't a man that wouldn't stand for what he believes, unlike most other politicians who change their opinion with the wind.

Huckabee talked about foisting his religious beliefs upon the rest of the nation to the detriment of civil liberties. I'd consider that in direct contravention to the spirit and letter of the law.

Accepting for a moment that the primary reason people emigrated to the US was for religious freedom (and I strongly disagree though it is a component) isn't that exactly what you support reversing by backing this man? Or is it more likely you support religious "freedom" for Christians and not others....
 

jonks

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OTOH, he has also said he'd have no problem appointing an atheist to his cabinet if they were otherwise qualified.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
This country was founded on the basic beliefs of Christianity. The masses came here for the advertised reason.

No matter how many times you (or your religion of choice) says it does not make it so.

I find it funny that you are disputing every history book that is taught to Jr. Highers, yet you are bringing no evidence to the table.

Fine.

Take a look at the founders of the nation. The major political figures were lax Episcopalians, Deists, and Agnostics. May of whom had major concerns about the influence of religion upon the state. Jefferson's hatred and fear of organized religion bordered on the pathological.

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." - James Madison

"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." - Thomas Jefferson

Additionally, the US Constitution does not once mention "God" in the entire text. The document itself and the Bill of Rights are very clearly products of the Enlightenment (as were the men who wrote it).

I believe they are talking about the state religion that was forced. That does not mean our country was not founded on Christian values and religious and economic freedom. I'm not saying on an organized religion, I'm saying on the values and basic beliefs.

Yes, we've had leaders that weren't Christians and may have hated them, but that does not mean people did not come here for religious freedom. Many had different reasons for coming.

The fact that people dismiss Huckabee because he is a Christian and believes in his faith astounds me. I don't dismiss Romney because he is a mormon... I don't like him because of other reasons. People shouldn't be judged by their faith, but their actions. You may not agree with him morals, but you can't say he isn't a man that wouldn't stand for what he believes, unlike most other politicians who change their opinion with the wind.

The vast majority of people who came to the Americas did so because they were starving and living in absolute squalor in Europe (and Asia slightly later). It's important to understand history, not just so you don't repeat it but also so that you aren't easily misled by media, pastors, 'educators', etc. Everybody has an agenda.

I don't think many people have a problem with Huckabee is a Christian. The problem is that he's a Christo-fascist evangelical Christian, and that belief system is in direct opposition to the Constitution and what most believe to be a moral basis for society. Adding insult to injury, he and his types will have you believe that they are in fact supporting the original ideals of the constitution and upholding morality in its purest sense. Which is of course a lie.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Unlike what it may look like, I'm no religious nutjob.

I find it very annoying to judge someone on their faith and not their actions.

Huckabee's "actions" have been to announce publicly that he would lead the charge to overturn the U.S. Constitution in favor of his religeous snake oil.

I find it no different for him talking about his faith with like minded folks than someone else talking about gay rights at a gay rights rally.

If that's all you "find," try looking somewhere other than between your gluteal cheeks. "Gay rights" are about freedom from persecution by others based on sexual preference. Huckabee explicitly favors making such persecution the law of the land. :thumbsdown:
 

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Huck is in league with some serious hardcore fundies, make no mistake. These people demand everyone be like them.

Here is nice list of people Huck cavorts with or did cavort with in recent history:

D. James Kennedy: Like Huckabee, Kennedy -- who died in 2007 -- denied that he was a reconstructionist or dominionist. But Kennedy, known in certain circles as the most influential evangelical leader no one outside the evangelical world has ever heard of, long associated himself with prominent members of both disciplines and was an important conduit for their mainstreaming. He was a member of the Coalition on Revival's steering committee and a signatory to the manifesto. Even if he had been just your run-of-the-mill televangelist, Kennedy's reach and influence during his life couldn't have been dismissed: His ministry, Florida's Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, claimed 10,000 members, and his radio and television shows reached millions in the United States and worldwide.

It was from Coral Ridge that Kennedy hosted an annual "Reclaiming America for Christ" conference. In 2005, a packet of information handed out at the conference included a message from Kennedy. "Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," he wrote. "We are to bring His truth and His will to bear on every sphere of our world and our society. We are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government ... our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society." Kennedy also embraced the standard reconstructionist idea that the United States was founded as a Christian nation and should return to its roots. David Barton, one of the leading revisionist historians in this vein, was a speaker at some of the conferences. Along with Barton, Rushdoony and North were frequent guests on Kennedy's broadcasts. In 2006, Huckabee spoke at an awards dinner during "Reclaiming America for Christ." But Huckabee's primary connection to Kennedy is through his strong ties to Kennedy's followers and former employees.

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George Grant: The former executive director of Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries, Grant co-wrote one of Huckabee's books, "Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence," which was released in 1998. About 10 years before, Grant, a prolific author and, according to Reason Magazine, a "militant" reconstructionist, had written a book called "The Changing of the Guard: The Vital Role Christians Play in America's Cultural Drama." In one now infamous passage from that book, he wrote:

Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ -- to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness.
But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice.
It is dominion we are after. Not just influence.
It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time.
It is dominion we are after.
World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less...
Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.
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Janet Folger: Folger is the founder of Faith2Action, an antiabortion, anti-gay Christian conservative organization dedicated to winning the "cultural wars." She also hosts her own Faith2Action radio show. In the 1990s, she worked as the national director at the Center for Reclaiming America, D. James Kennedy's group. A longtime associate of Huckabee, she is a co-chair of his Faith and Family Values Coalition, a group of campaign supporters and advisors. Her support of Huckabee became even more vociferous after he won the straw poll that followed the Values Voter Presidential Debate, which Folger organized. (Huckabee was the only leading Republican presidential candidate to attend.) At the debate, Folger personally arranged to have the Grand Avenue Choir of God perform its version of "Why Should God Bless America," a song that asks, "Why should God bless America?/ She's forgotten He exists/ And has turned her back on everything/ That made her what she is." Folger gained notoriety in the liberal blogosphere recently for her satirical prediction that, if elected, Hilary Clinton would imprison all Christians.
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Pastor Rick Scarborough: Scarborough is the founder of Vision America, a group dedicated to increasing Christian conservatives' participation in politics. Huckabee depended on Scarborough's group, among others, to win Iowa; Vision America members gave Huckabee supporters rides to the polls. Scarborough describes himself not as a Republican but rather as a "Christocrat." In her book "Kingdom Coming," former Salon reporter Michelle Goldberg quotes from Scarborough's monograph "In Defense of ... Mixing Church and State," where the pastor asserts that the separation of church and state is "a lie introduced by Satan and fostered by the courts." Upon meeting Scarborough, Karl Rove told the pastor that his positions were "too strident and conservative." Tom DeLay, a close friend of Scarborough's, spoke via video at the 2005 "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith" conference that Scarborough organized, where conservatives assailed "activist judges" and one speaker suggested the best way to gain control of the U.S. Supreme Court was through Justice Anthony Kennedy's death. Scarborough also led a 2004 national campaign to protest the dismissal of Alabama Supreme Court chief justice Roy Moore, removed from the bench for installing a Ten Commandments tablet in his courthouse. Scarborough opposes all high school sex education courses and vehemently spoke out against Texas Gov. Rick Perry's promotion of HPV vaccines in high schools, stating "the governor's action seems to signify that God's moral law regarding sex outside of marriage can be transgressed without consequence."
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Michael Farris: Farris is the co-founder and chairman of the board of the Home School Legal Defense Association, as well as the founder and now chancellor of Patrick Henry College, which is dedicated to educating home-schooled children in right-wing evangelical doctrines so they can pursue, in particular, careers in government. He serves on Huckabee's Faith and Family Values Coalition, and his endorsement is the main reason that home-schoolers were an important force for Huckabee and his victory in the Iowa caucuses. Farris traveled to Iowa ahead of last year's straw poll to organize for Huckabee and -- along with Scarborough -- participated in a conference call with Iowa pastors just before the caucuses, exhorting them to get their congregations out to vote, presumably for Huckabee. In the early 1990s, Farris ran unsuccessfully for lieutenant governor of Virginia; his campaign was derailed at least in part by charges of extremism stemming from his association with the Coalition on Revival. At the time, he claimed that he was a member of the group in 1984 and 1985, but left before the manifesto was issued in 1986. "It started heading to a theocracy," he said, "and I don't believe in a theocracy." But he was listed as a steering committee member, a signatory to the manifesto, as the coauthor of another of the group's documents, "The Christian World View of Law," and on group letterhead from 1990. "They put my name on stuff. I can't help their print shop," he said at the time. At Patrick Henry, Farris' ideas are put into a strict code for both students and faculty. While on campus, students are prohibited from dancing, kissing and any "prolonged embrace." They are not allowed to drink alcohol or smoke unless they are in the presence of their parents or they are out of the greater Washington, D.C., area while the school is on vacation.
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Rev. Don Wildmon: The Huckabee campaign has embraced the "significant endorsement" of Wildmon, the chairman and founder of the American Family Association, a virulently antiabortion, anti-gay Christian conservative group, and Wildmon joined Huckabee on the campaign trail in Iowa. On his campaign Web site, Huckabee said of Wildmon that "Rev. Wildmon and I share the same values on faith and family, which are key issues for the Republican party." A member of the steering committee of the Coalition on Revival, since founding the AFA in 1977, Wildmon has dedicated much of his time to advocating for the censorship of such "controversial," "offensive" television programs as "Donahue," "The Wonder Years" and "Seinfeld." In 1988, Wildmon attracted attention for his claim that Mighty Mouse snorted cocaine in one of the show's episodes. Wildmon has also spearheaded boycotts against Ford and Ikea because of the companies' portrayal of gay consumers in their advertisements. Wildmon has frequently been accused of being anti-Semitic for numerous comments alleging Jewish control of the media.
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Steven Hotze: When Huckabee went to a fundraiser at Hotze's home in December 2007, even conservative columnist Robert Novak had to stand up and take notice. Hotze, a signatory to "A Manifesto for the Christian Church," was for a time influential in Texas Republican Party politics, bringing reconstructionist ideals with him. A practicing doctor, Hotze is also, as the Houston Press revealed in a long investigation in 2005, a quack who claims board certifications he apparently does not hold, offers treatments without scientific basis for medical problems not ever documented to exist, and "tells his patients it's their fault if they don't get better." Later in 2005, the president of the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists sent CBS a letter complaining about Hotze's appearance on the network.
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James Robison: The president of the Christian organization Life Outreach International, Robison is best known as a television evangelist and minister, but he was also Huckabee's religious mentor in the late 1970s. Huckabee worked in Robison's church as an announcer and public relations spokesman before leaving to establish a ministry of his own. Robison is firmly opposed to homosexuality. He came under scrutiny in the early 1980s for saying on his television program that he was "sick and tired of hearing about all of the radicals and the perverts and the liberals and the leftists and the Communists coming out of the closet," that it was "time for God's people to come out of the closet, out of the churches and change America." Huckabee's national media job at the time was to defend his boss's words. In 2002, Robison co-wrote a book, "The Absolutes: The Indisputable Principles of Civilized Society," with George Grant.


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I've not heard of most of these people since I really don't travel in those circles. Some are obviously worse than others, but this should raise some eyebrows.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Craig234

When is the media going to ask him some pointed questions to show his true colors and make him unacceptable to one side or the other, like, 'should the US be officially Christian?

They already have. He's answered that type of question on several occaisions.

Since you've missed it; his answer is basically that he supports freedom of religion, anybody can belief in whatever religion they choose.

Otherwise, this guy is a Baptist preacher, to expect him to act any differently is unrealistic.

Fern
 

piasabird

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Well Bill clinton compared himself to King David. Only thing he forgot was King David stepped down from being King.
 

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
OTOH, he has also said he'd have no problem appointing an atheist to his cabinet if they were otherwise qualified.

That was Mitt Romney that said that.
 
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