Hyperinflation by 2010

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Inflationary Recession Is in Place

Banking Solvency Crisis Has Opened First Phase of Monetary Inflation

Hyperinflationary Depression Remains Likely As Early As 2010

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Overview

The U.S. economy is in an intensifying inflationary recession that eventually will evolve into a hyperinflationary great depression. Hyperinflation could be experienced as early as 2010, if not before, and likely no more than a decade down the road. The U.S. government and Federal Reserve already have committed the system to this course through the easy politics of a bottomless pocketbook, the servicing of big-moneyed special interests, and gross mismanagement.

The U.S. has no way of avoiding a financial Armageddon. Bankrupt sovereign states most commonly use the currency printing press as a solution to not having enough money to cover their obligations. The alternative would be for the U.S. to renege on its existing debt and obligations, a solution for modern sovereign states rarely seen outside of governments overthrown in revolution, and a solution with no happier ending than simply printing the needed money. With the creation of massive amounts of new fiat (not backed by gold) dollars will come the eventual complete collapse of the value of the U.S. dollar and related dollar-denominated paper assets.

What lies ahead will be extremely difficult and unhappy times for many. Ralph T. Foster, in his "Fiat Paper Money" (see recommended further reading at the end of this issue), closes his book?s preface with a particularly poignant quote from a 1993 interview of Friedrich Kessler, a law professor at Harvard and University of California Berkeley, who experienced the Weimar Republic hyperinflation:

"It was horrible. Horrible! Like lightning it struck. No one was prepared. You cannot imagine the rapidity with which the whole thing happened. The shelves in the grocery stores were empty. You could buy nothing with your paper money."...

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This is the scariest article I have ever read. As a long time anarcho-capitalist, I will be vindicated. The great social democracy experiment will utterly fail. The writing is on the wall, the sun is setting on the American empire.
 

jpeyton

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Nobody honestly believes Paulson when he says it's going to be $700 billion.

I remember Rumsfeld saying Iraq was only going to cost us $50 billion. We're at 10x that number already in direct appropriations, and the long term direct/indirect costs will be in the trillions.

This bad debt that Paulson wants to purchase is a ticking time bomb. He just transported it from Wall Street (where his buddies are) to your living room.
 

Craig234

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I've long felt that inflation will eventually be likely and huge as a result of our growing debt.

One of the things I want to look into is where to invest when that starts.
 

Colt45

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I've been looking for a good excuse to quit my job and move out to the country.
 

StageLeft

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I'm not reading that entire thing, but these sky-is-falling articles/reports, we cannot deny, appear closer to reality now than they did several months ago. I do like the quote about the printing press because it is absolutely what is happening now. We can argue whether the banks are too big to fail or not, but ultimately the government is running those presses 24/7 and throwing money around. This HAS to have an inflationary influence. We can already see the US dollar has been battered in recent years, helped along by constant and record deficits and there is no indication at all it will get better. Once this most recent almost comical bailout kicks in, the US deficit for the year could be possibly magnitudes higher than previous records.
One of the things I want to look into is where to invest when that starts.
I wonder, too. My guess would be that, as long a you think you will actually be able to keep your job (really impossible to know), extend yourself with credit on things like cars and what-not. Certainly, you'd want to turn your money you do have into actual possessions.
 

BansheeX

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So... the lack of bailouts would be a painful deflationary recession reallocating jobs and resources from real estate into manufacturing over a number of years. But trillions in bailout pledges to the sector's speculative lenders from a government that has vastly insufficient reserves and credit extensions, is running major deficits at current taxrates and has greater unfulfilled obligations, also results in deflation? That doesn't make any sense.

And of course, by inflation, I am referring to the arbitrary creation of money with no labor or material behind it. One man works for his, another is getting it fresh from the presses for nothing. That is a redistribution of purchasing power from the bottom to the top.
 

GTKeeper

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
This is going to be great bump material in about, oh, 12 months.

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I am allocating 25% of my assets in other currencies and some gold. I will get a nice payoff once the dollar inflates through the roof.



This will royally screw over the middle class.
 

ntdz

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I'm so sick of everyone predicting the end of the world...our inflation last month was NEGATIVE for christs sake.
 

Craig234

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Bob Brinker thinks the bailout plan is not inflationary, and alone won't 'clobber the dollar'. It's the longer term my comment is about.
 

BansheeX

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Originally posted by: ntdz
I'm so sick of everyone predicting the end of the world...our inflation last month was NEGATIVE for christs sake.

First of all, you should stop looking at inflation calculations done by the people who are inflating, feel free to research exactly how the CPI has become so manipulated. Second of all, why the hell are you looking at a downtrend of a single month? In the last eight years, prices for everything have skyrocketed. Gold has gone up 300%. Gold only cares about the supply of gold and the supply of dollars, it's a rock with little industrial use and can't be manufactured at no labor or material cost. So it historically is used as honest money, but currently serves as a general inflation indicator in a fiat world. Not only are dollars being created faster than foreign fiat currencies, foreigners are dumping existing ones in favor of assets from a lack of confidence in its future manufacture, and the statistics as they pertain to bond interest compensation. So we get old inflation coming home to roost after the two monster bubbles in which it was invested collapsed, + new inflation that's at least 10% a year now. Nobody was complaining about inflation when it went into tech stocks, nobody complained when it was in real estate, now they're complaining as it finally filters down into basic commodities. Amazing.
 

Thump553

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Newsflash: Gold is just another commodity. It is not used as a monetary basis anywhere in the modern civilized world.

It is true that gold bumps upward in times of economic crisis, mostly because of the economic ignorance of a large part of the population. The rest of the time, gold plunges in value-overall, its a spectacularly lousy investment.

If you truely feel economic collapse is upon us, conveert your moneyt to useful items, not gold. Bullets, bags of flour, whatever make a whole lot more sense.
 

BansheeX

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Gold is just another commodity. It is not used as a monetary basis anywhere in the modern civilized world.

And that's exactly why we're in this mess. I like how you throw modern and civilized in there, as if we were not modern or civilized in 1971 when American politicians had recklessly borrowed so heavily over its gold reserves to finance pointless crap like the Vietnam war, The Great Society, and the War on Poverty, that there was a run on America and Nixon suspended the Bretton Woods agreement rather than pay them back. Remember, we became the reserve currency of the world under gold, and then shifted to fiat, sending the world into an inflationary era. We are the epicenter of this mess. Not wanting politicians to have the ability to arbitrarily manufacture something you worked hard for is not an outmoded idea relevant to a bygone era, and I'm sure people in Zimbabwe experiencing your idea of modern would be quick to agree with me as they wheel their wads of money around to buy a carton of eggs. And for your information, banks around the world still hoard it.

It is true that gold bumps upward in times of economic crisis, mostly because of the economic ignorance of a large part of the population. The rest of the time, gold plunges in value-overall, its a spectacularly lousy investment.

Gold is not an investment, it's money. It doesn't pay a dividend, it doesn't increase production to buy it. If gold plunges relative to dollars, so do other commodities, so you haven't lost anything. Google a chart comparing gold to oil in the last thirty years since we left the gold standard. If it stands for economic ignorance, then its pretty stable ignorance, because the movements in dollar terms between the two are largely congruent, because its the dollar in which they're priced which was fluctuating.

If you truely feel economic collapse is upon us, conveert your moneyt to useful items, not gold. Bullets, bags of flour, whatever make a whole lot more sense.

While those are good things to have, they make for terrible money, and you're still going to need money (a common means of exchange) in order to perform day-to-day transactions and get back to the lifestyle you once knew. Otherwise, you're reducing yourself to barter, and even the dumbest of Keynesians know you can't run a modern economy that way.
 

ayabe

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Wrong, hyperinflation before the end of the year, fuck 2010.

After the new year, things are going to be very, very bad for all of us.
 
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I think the ultimate goal is to get the US inflation rate to something like that of zimbabwe where they had to take zero's off the money because it is so out of hand. that way, we can give the Chinese a $100,000,000,000,000 note and say thanks.

I still can't understand how Congress can't pass a budget. Stop spending money on bull shit projects. Ca nwe go 1 or 2 years without researching cow farts and other various BS scientific endevours that do nothing except get 2 people in lab coats hard-ons? I have a novel idea, stop sending 100's of billions over seas for foreign aid. Keep it up and those countries we "help" are going to be sending us aide in a few years.
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I think the ultimate goal is to get the US inflation rate to something like that of zimbabwe where they had to take zero's off the money because it is so out of hand. that way, we can give the Chinese a $100,000,000,000,000 note and say thanks.

I still can't understand how Congress can't pass a budget. Stop spending money on bull shit projects. Ca nwe go 1 or 2 years without researching cow farts and other various BS scientific endevours that do nothing except get 2 people in lab coats hard-ons? I have a novel idea, stop sending 100's of billions over seas for foreign aid. Keep it up and those countries we "help" are going to be sending us aide in a few years.

The main problems are the two biggest bullshit projects of all time:

Social security and medicare. Read the article, look at the charts. The numbers wreak of grave & imminent collapse.
 

alphatarget1

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If hyperinflation occurs, will interest rates go up too? I'll be able to pay back my student loans for pennies on the dollar!
 

ultra laser

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
This is going to be great bump material in about, oh, 12 months.

Absolutely - America will never fall. These guys are just whack jobs who obviously don't know history.
 
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