"I hate gay people"

[Shame]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
George Bush doesn't care about black people...............and now Tim Hardaway hates gay people! What's this world coming too!!

The world is turning a place where everyone will eventually be in some protected class. Those who compare "the plight" of the homosexual equally to the civil rights movement are just proving my first statement. In ten years or so, overweight people will be a protected class, followed only by only God know who. Probably stupid people, people with nappy hair, or maybe even short people. It is all quite humorous. That being said, who the hell cares what Tim Hardaway says?

 

[Nik]

Who cares what he thinks? I don't see why it matters whether he hates gays or not. It's his opinion, he's entitled to it, and I don't think anyone should be disciplined for their opinion. It's not like he's out beating up gay people or something. Society is so afraid of offending anyone that they're willing to remove the rights of People A just to make People B not feel badly.

Anyway, whatever. Kudos for him for having the balls to speak his mind and exercise his rights in the face of a spineless society. Do I agree with him? No. Does he have a right to say so? Of course.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Out of curiousity, outside of religious reasons, what are people's reasoning for opposing gays?

Really I don't hate homo's, I just think its weird and biologically foolish.

Why allow oral sex then? It has no purpose other than for sex sake.

A healthy hetero couple can choose to have children under most conditions.
A gay couple cannot. A gay couple is a dead end unless they enlist the opposite sex.

I realize we as a species do not suffer from a population shortage... far from it. Regardless I cannot view homosexuality as a normal or healthy alternative.


Children are our future. If we stopped breeding we would die as a species. A culture who looks down on "breeders" is a culture I will never accept.

Would you then restrict marriage to a couple (hetero) with a woman that has had a hysterectomy? How about a man who is unable to produce sperm?

It's not like homosexuality is an epidemic and it's doubtful that it's nurtured into people which just means that it has probably been around as long as man has been around. Also, no culture looks down on "breeders" but we as a culture look down on many other classifications that don't fit the "norm" established by society. Why is that?

Read the post man I already made this point.

A healthy hetero couple can choose to have children under most conditions.

I know that its not an epidemic. I just think that gays should be grateful to us breeders for making them in the first place.

About your second part. Might explain some of it

So a non-healthy hetero couple shouldn't be allowed to marry then according to your logic and should not be accepted by the general populace?

 

[mugs]

I think we should encourage sexual activity that does not increase the population.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mugs
I think we should encourage sexual activity that does not increase the population.

Armpit sex?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: GuideBot
Who cares what he thinks? I don't see why it matters whether he hates gays or not. It's his opinion, he's entitled to it, and I don't think anyone should be disciplined for their opinion. It's not like he's out beating up gay people or something. Society is so afraid of offending anyone that they're willing to remove the rights of People A just to make People B not feel badly.

Anyway, whatever. Kudos for him for having the balls to speak his mind and exercise his rights in the face of a spineless society. Do I agree with him? No. Does he have a right to say so? Of course.

Your actions and words have consequences. If you are a bigot, people will not like you. He has lost no rights. He has the right to say whatever he wants, just as everyone else has the right to react however they want.

Spineless? I think not. It would be spineless to not react when someone says something hateful about a segment of our society. Pardon my split infinitive.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mugs
I think we should encourage sexual activity that does not increase the population.

Armpit sex?

If that works for you.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Out of curiousity, outside of religious reasons, what are people's reasoning for opposing gays?

Really I don't hate homo's, I just think its weird and biologically foolish.

Why allow oral sex then? It has no purpose other than for sex sake.

A healthy hetero couple can choose to have children under most conditions.
A gay couple cannot. A gay couple is a dead end unless they enlist the opposite sex.

I realize we as a species do not suffer from a population shortage... far from it. Regardless I cannot view homosexuality as a normal or healthy alternative.


Children are our future. If we stopped breeding we would die as a species. A culture who looks down on "breeders" is a culture I will never accept.

Would you then restrict marriage to a couple (hetero) with a woman that has had a hysterectomy? How about a man who is unable to produce sperm?

It's not like homosexuality is an epidemic and it's doubtful that it's nurtured into people which just means that it has probably been around as long as man has been around. Also, no culture looks down on "breeders" but we as a culture look down on many other classifications that don't fit the "norm" established by society. Why is that?

Read the post man I already made this point.

A healthy hetero couple can choose to have children under most conditions.

I know that its not an epidemic. I just think that gays should be grateful to us breeders for making them in the first place.

About your second part. Might explain some of it

So a non-healthy hetero couple shouldn't be allowed to marry then according to your logic and should not be accepted by the general populace?

If thats what you got out of all that then go for it buddy.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: mugs
I think we should encourage sexual activity that does not increase the population.

Edited:
Misunderstood

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
If thats what you got out of all that then go for it buddy.

That's all I could get out of a statement that says that a "healthy hetero-couple have the option to reproduce." All that is is a statement. You're requiring that for people to tolerate people being in a relationship that the said couple would have to have the option to reproduce. So, I counter with an example of people who aren't able to reproduce but are a heterosexual couple. What are your views on them?

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
If thats what you got out of all that then go for it buddy.

That's all I could get out of a statement that says that a "healthy hetero-couple have the option to reproduce." All that is is a statement. You're requiring that for people to tolerate people being in a relationship that the said couple would have to have the option to reproduce. So, I counter with an example of people who aren't able to reproduce but are a heterosexual couple. What are your views on them?

I am requiring nothing. I already explained this. You are picking at nothing.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
And trust me, know I'm a bit homophobic you don't have to tell me. And it doesn't both me, I'm not sure why it bothers you.

it would bother me for 2 reasons,

1) you might have a gay kid (an outcome you have no control over, if you choose to have children). I question whether someone with your attitudes could give a gay kid the necessary love and support a child requires to thrive. Someone with your attitudes would perhaps be likely to brutalize your gay child leading to another depression or suicide statistic.

2) you might vote for constitutional amendments depriving gay people of fundamental civil rights such as the right to marry (your blather about favoring the least possible governmental intervention in private lives notwithstanding).

3) how would you be at a work? Would you be capable of behaving in a professional manner with gay work colleagues?

Those would be my main concerns.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: K1052

I don't doubt the stats, but I wondered why a straight guy would be concerned about it or the perception enough to refuse to live there. If anything I'd think the women hunting would be easier because of it.

That is exactly the way I look at it. More gay men per capita = less competition for straight women for me. It's a no lose situation. The only thing I don't understand about gay men is the not liking women part. I am not bothered by their liking men. I just can't wrap my mind around the not liking women part.

I would say most gay men do like women in a non-sexual way, many gay men have long-term/ enduring friendships with women. many gay guys have a best friend who is female.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
He can say whatever he wants and none of us can do anything about it. He breathes the same air we do so why should his opinion matter?

of course he can say what he wants, that is the beauty of free speech. but people who oppose bigotry also have the right to say his views are harmful and stupid.

this guy is so dumb, he didn't realize the firestorm his ignorant comments would ignite. therefore you can't even say he is brave for voicing an unpopular opinion.

The unpopular opinion is that we should all accept gays.

by unpopular I suppose I meant "politically incorrect". But actually, the studies show most Americans think gay people should be treated equally in things like work, housing, etc. So I am not sure the majority of Americans would admit to 'hating' gay people. Even right wing Christians don't go that far, they talk about hating the sin loving the sinner. Once you start talking about hating gay people, you are venturing into gay bashing/ Matthew Sheppard territory, which I do not believe represents the sentiments of most Americans.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Carbo
Good for him. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Is there? I find it amusing that the liberals whine about how intolerant the "unenlightened" are, yet don't tolerate an opinion that differs from their own.

If he had been talking about Jews, would you say the same thing?

Yes.

He can say it all he wants, just as the KKK can have a rally on the steps of the courthouse. That doesn't mean we aren't going to say "You're a moron" . Do you expect us to pat him on the back for his strong views?

Isn't it ironic that every time some deviant comes out of the closet, the media and his ilk applaud, proclaiming how brave this person is to share with all of us his/her sexual behavior. Yet, when someone of the opposing viewpoint comes forth, he is an ignorant moron who needs to apologize and perform public service in the gay community. I can't understand the discrepancy.

You're an idiot.

 

[Cabages]

I see this turned into another "lets debate about gays" thread.

I will just say I have the same feelings toward gay people as the basketball player. Not that he deserves this kind of attention just because he has an opinion.

 

[Phokus]

If there was any karma, tim hardaway would be reborn as a flaming homosexual in some red state in his next life.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: K1052

I don't doubt the stats, but I wondered why a straight guy would be concerned about it or the perception enough to refuse to live there. If anything I'd think the women hunting would be easier because of it.

That is exactly the way I look at it. More gay men per capita = less competition for straight women for me. It's a no lose situation. The only thing I don't understand about gay men is the not liking women part. I am not bothered by their liking men. I just can't wrap my mind around the not liking women part.

I would say most gay men do like women in a non-sexual way, many gay men have long-term/ enduring friendships with women. many gay guys have a best friend who is female.

Sorry, I meant in a sexual way.
Women == Winz

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Out of curiousity, outside of religious reasons, what are people's reasoning for opposing gays?

Really I don't hate homo's, I just think its weird and biologically foolish.

Why allow oral sex then? It has no purpose other than for sex sake.

A healthy hetero couple can choose to have children under most conditions.
A gay couple cannot. A gay couple is a dead end unless they enlist the opposite sex.

I realize we as a species do not suffer from a population shortage... far from it. Regardless I cannot view homosexuality as a normal or healthy alternative.

Children are our future. If we stopped breeding we would die as a species. A culture who looks down on "breeders" is a culture I will never accept.

most gay guys play a role at some point in raising their nieces and nephews. E.g., Zysoclaplem babysitting his new niece. Or Ryan, helping to look after his niece who now lives with him along with his sister. from an evolutionary perspective, this isn't surprising as gay people share 50% genetic material with their siblings and 25% genetic material with their nephews/ nieces. A gay person who assists their siblings in raising their kids is (from a purely evolutionary perspective) actually perpetuating his or her own genes. (I.e., Zysoclaplem shares 25% of his DNA with his neice; if the neice grows up and reproduces, then Zysoclaplem's genes are passed on to another generation). (Obviously people don't think in evolutionary terms when deciding to help a family member raise their kid, we think more in terms of family allegiances and obligations to help out our family when they need help).

One of my gay friends has played a major role in raising his sister's kids (because his sister had bad post-partem depression and became more or less incapacitated after her first kid). She has gone on to have 2 more kids. There is no way she could have done that without assistance from her (gay) brother. She probably would have killed her first kid and ended up in a mental hospital without the help. Also, if her brother had been straight and had his own kids, he wouldn't have been able to help his sister. When you have family helping you raise a child, it reduces stress and probably allows you to have more kids than you otherwise would (without the help).

The latest research from Italy shows women with gay men in the family are more fertile (have more babies) than women who come from families with no gay men. This could be genetic - i.e., the genetic factors leading to homosexuality in males could lead to enhanced fertility in women) or it could be due to the fact that gay men tend to help their sisters raise their kids, which reduces the stress on the mother and probably allows her to have more kids than she otherwise would.

It's also interesting to consider that later born sons are more likely to be gay than first born sons. IN situations where resources (food, shelter) are limited, it is probably more advantageous for just the first few kids to grow up and have kids of their own. If later born kids also reproduced, their might be excessive competition for resources. On the other hand, if later born kids grew up and remained childless (because they were homosexual) they would be an additional hand to assist with the rearing of their nieces and nephews which would increase the chances the nieces and nephews survive. I.e., It is not that hard coming up with scenarios where homosexuality plays a role in the overall reproductive success of a family.

 

[b2386]

I experience these (paranormal?) happenings as well. And too, I find it is stronger at times, and than there is a loll(sp?) Unfortunately, it is rarely a pleasant premonition. And find it is rarely one that can be changed.
Many years ago my husband was about to drive my mother somewhere. I suddenly had this awful feeling of impending doom. I pleaded with them to NOT drive/leave. My mother knowing my odd premonitions got out, but my husband continued on. Nothing occurred. This was in Early Spring, in the Mid 70's.
A few weeks later, my mother was with my Step father (recently married) a non believer, with my aunt and uncle(believers) at an Airport in New Orleans .I woke up from a horrific nightmare/vision. It was just the quick sensation of impact(crash), and 2 numbers (99). Oddly, when I see numbers in my dreams, they are either backwards, or upside down. I jumped up to see the time, and was not sure WHAT flight they were on, (or going on), only that they were expected to arrive at JFK. I immediately Called the Airport, had my mother paged. Pleaded for them to take the next flight, especially after now finding out their flight was 66.
My Step father called me back VERY pissed off, for no-one was getting on that plane, and the next available flight was not for many hours later. And stated the numbers were not the same, it is just "coincidence", yada yada yada.
My mother, who has always been submissive, stood her ground. My Aunt and uncle opted to take the bus home. In a nut shell, that plane crashed as it was approaching JFK. To this day,my Step father rules it as coincidental.
Weeks later, I woke up to a VERY upsetting dream, that my mother approached me quite concerned about a huge hard lump on her breast bone. I knew (in my dream it was cancer, and she was dieing) who in real life outwardly was the perfect example of Glowing health, and enjoying her recent marriage, after so MANY years of unhappiness and loneliness.. I woke up sobbing. How does one approach your mother, who has finally found a little happiness about such a dream. a few weeks after, she brings me aside, and lifts up her sweater to ask if this lump between her breasts looks odd. My heart sank.
A week later, I was now having a constant reoccurring dream of my being struck by large vehicle. At least it looked that way as I saw and felt this large grill in a split second run into me. It was so quick, yet at that split second I saw a partial license plate number and this quick impact. Yet I felt no pain. It was dark out, and could see the dim lights around me reflecting on my body which felt warm and soaking wet. As I look at my self, I realized it was blood, and suddenly realized it was not me but my husband, as if it were his eyes that were now my eyes. At this time, (in real life), he was riding a motor cycle to work (the night shift) from Long Island to Jersey City. I never feared up until than his riding it, but now, after having that dream I was SURE it was connected, and pleaded for him to get rid of it. Not a believer, but cared enough to console my fears, he agreed to sell it, but would ride it just one more time (that night) to work and have the mechanics there check it all over before selling it. That was the last time I saw my husband. The rest of that story would take as long as this entire post, for he was left dieing, robbed of all personal information etc, and at the time there were no eye witnesses, yet through my dreams was able to locate a witness, and find out exactly what transpired. Coincidence?
Six months later, my mothers Cancer had taken over. She died a horrible and painful death. As you, I have so much I can speak about regarding these unexplained phenomena, and wish there was a clear explanation for it. For it is very difficult to know sometimes what is premonition, and what is just fear. And as you see, from the first feeling of dread prior, with their both being in that car, to me, I question if that was in fact the actual moment it was really meant to occur, and I could not prevent destiny, only postpone it. My apologies for the length of this, and if the paragraphs are wrong/long etc. And yes I do have a form of Dyslexia, so focusing on that in itself is difficult when writing.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: b2386
Six months later, my mothers Cancer had taken over..

sorry to hear about your mother. I thought your post was interesting, but was it meant to go in this thread?

 

[OOBradm]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Carbo
Good for him. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Is there? I find it amusing that the liberals whine about how intolerant the "unenlightened" are, yet don't tolerate an opinion that differs from their own.

Forget opinions. Homophobes ignore the science that has all but proven homosexuality is biological. Course, what could we expect? These are often the same people that ignore the science of global warming, or ignore the science of geology/carbon dating/friggin' dinosaurs...Maybe social conservatives are really just anti-science.

lol...wtf does science have to do with it?...nothing

Scientific fact: dogs are 4 legged, fury mammals.

Many people like dogs because they are friendly, obedient, devoted and playful. Dog owners often look upon their dogs as an extension of their families.

So what?

I hate dogs.

They are stupid, slobbery and smell bad when they get wet. I hate to clean up after them.

The scientific facts of what dogs are, and why they are dogs is irrelevant to the fact that I do not like them.

Just because something is scientifically true and accurate does not mean you have to accept it and like it.

Believe it or not you can understand the science of something and accept it as true facts and still not like it.

#1) I agree that science does not determine opinions

#2) you're opinion is still moronic and totally ignorant

#3) johnjohn320 was trying to explain that their is vast scientific evidence to support that homosexuality is an inherit part of a human and not a choice in life. Thus, you hating homosexuals is the same as you saying you hate tall people. You are entitled to your opinions, however close minded they might be. I cannot grasp how someone can automatically "HATE" someone before they've met them just because of their sexual preference. Maybe i'll start hating people that were born with taste buds that enjoy cottage cheese.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
The latest research from Italy shows women with gay men in the family are more fertile (have more babies) than women who come from families with no gay men. This could be genetic - i.e., the genetic factors leading to homosexuality in males could lead to enhanced fertility in women) or it could be due to the fact that gay men tend to help their sisters raise their kids, which reduces the stress on the mother and probably allows her to have more kids than she otherwise would.

I think it is more likely that their mothers push them to have more children so that the mothers will have more grandchildren because they know that they aren't going to get any grandchildren from the gay sons.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

*From the Celebrity/Famous playbook* Declare it was due to substance abuse, Check into rehab for a few weeks-to-months, all better now.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Wow this thread is still going. Why? lol