"I hate gay people"

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

 

[middlehead]

Originally posted by: Tuktuk
So what?

 

[Miramonti]

I don't find it wrong or immoral to be ignorant, simply unfortunate.

Hardaway is who he is and he simply expressed himself, without killing or maming anyone, and whatever shortcomings he has that leads to his unfortunate conclusions about gay people are probably no shorter than anyone elses' shortcomings here.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: DigDug
Come on, Carbo. In an attempt to appear consistent, you only prove the absurdity of your stance. The reality is not that you are standing up for free speech, but rather free derision of those you've admitted you percieve as deviant. Should we then interpret your recent approval of hate speech against blacks as a testament of your similar perception of them?

Pretty much across the board they all say they prefer living in the South...at least the racists & bigots in the South don't try to hide it compared to the North where everyone pays lip service to equality and fairness

How many of them have lived in the North? Could this simply be cognitive dissonance?

Millions of them.
Going Home To The South, The Migration Back To The South

(CBS) Children of many blacks who once fled the South and segregation are now returning to find better lives than they had in the North

Good article.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

The majority of people are not in wheelchairs. Are the handicap deviant? Of course not.
The word deviant bring certain images to mind.
Deviate from the norm is a better way to put it.

 

[xospec1alk]

why is Hardaway afraid of sharing a locker room w/ a gay bball player? just because a guy is gay, doesn't mean hes attracted to all men...pretty ignorant i must say.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

The majority of people are not in wheelchairs. Are the handicap deviant? Of course not.
The word deviant bring certain images to mind.
Deviate from the norm is a better way to put it.

This is just another example of people wanting to change the perfectly valid meaning of a word because they mistakenly believe there are negative connotations to it.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

Bumrush stated that Intolerant people were deviants. You told him he didn't understand the meaning of the word. I like to think that intolerance is on the way down in the world.

The word was also used to refer to a person as a deviant because they participate in "Deviant Behavior" which has a large number of connotations other than simply "differing from the norm". They were'nt talking about deviating in the mathematical sense and that was obvious.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
why is Hardaway afraid of sharing a locker room w/ a gay bball player? just because a guy is gay, doesn't mean hes attracted to all men...pretty ignorant i must say.

He has probably never thought past "I hate gays."
I'm sure, like most homophobic people, he has the idea of what he believes gay to be firmly planted in his mind.
And that stereotype just isn't true.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
why is Hardaway afraid of sharing a locker room w/ a gay bball player? just because a guy is gay, doesn't mean hes attracted to all men...pretty ignorant i must say.

This is a good point. If we extrapolate this sentiment to straight members of ATOT and the women they find attractive then we will learn that there are only about 4-6 attractive women in the known universe. We could reasonably assume that gay men find a similar level of attractiveness in other men that straight men find in women and come out with a similar number of 4-6 attractive men. The chances of one of these men being on an NBA team is so remote as to be statistically insignificant.

 

[zebano]

doh! Doesn't this happen about once a year? Athlete says extremely bigoted/stupid thing and "takes it back". Sure thing mate (/sarcasm)

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
why is Hardaway afraid of sharing a locker room w/ a gay bball player? just because a guy is gay, doesn't mean hes attracted to all men...pretty ignorant i must say.

What about guys sharing the locker room with women. Just because a guy is straight doesn't mean he's attracted to all women....pretty ignorant I must say.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

The majority of people are not in wheelchairs. Are the handicap deviant? Of course not.
The word deviant bring certain images to mind.
Deviate from the norm is a better way to put it.

The dictionary is not responsible for your connotations. Deviant has a meaning which is not what you believe it to be.

 

[OFFascist]

OMG people have personal opinions on different subjects, who would have thought that was possible?

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

The majority of people are not in wheelchairs. Are the handicap deviant? Of course not.
The word deviant bring certain images to mind.
Deviate from the norm is a better way to put it.

The dictionary is not responsible for your connotations. Deviant has a meaning which is not what you believe it to be.

lol
My connotations? Turn on the TV. Society has changed that word. Just like society changed old gay to new gay and old i love you to new i love you. Old Fairy became New Fairy, and old queer became new queer.
Deviant was being used to describe rapists and homosexuals before I was born, and is almost now exclusive to those groups. Almost. Just give it some time.



EDIT: But I do agree the word deviant is defined as differing from the norm.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

The majority of people are not in wheelchairs. Are the handicap deviant? Of course not.
The word deviant bring certain images to mind.
Deviate from the norm is a better way to put it.

The dictionary is not responsible for your connotations. Deviant has a meaning which is not what you believe it to be.

lol
My connotations? Turn on the TV. Society has changed that word. Just like society changed old gay to new gay and old i love you to new i love you. Old Fairy became New Fairy, and old queer became new queer.
Deviant was being used to describe rapists and homosexuals before I was born, and is almost now exclusive to those groups. Almost. Just give it some time.

And that is a proper use of the term, as defined in the dictionary. I don't believe that rape or homosexuality has ever been practiced by the majority. You attach negative connotations to the word because you only use it for negative things. How about these:
Chocolate labs are deviants.
Green eyed people are deviants.
Strawberry ice cream cones are deviants.

Deviant is not a negative thing. What you attach to it gives it a negative connotation, but does not by itself imply that something is bad or wrong.

 

[Miramonti]

It should not be a shocker to learn that Timmy is old school.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: joshsquall

I don't think you know the meaning of "deviant". It's anything differing from the norm.

Define the "norm"

The norm is the majority. Please don't try to tell me that homosexuality is the majority.

The majority of people are not in wheelchairs. Are the handicap deviant? Of course not.
The word deviant bring certain images to mind.
Deviate from the norm is a better way to put it.

The dictionary is not responsible for your connotations. Deviant has a meaning which is not what you believe it to be.

lol
My connotations? Turn on the TV. Society has changed that word. Just like society changed old gay to new gay and old i love you to new i love you. Old Fairy became New Fairy, and old queer became new queer.
Deviant was being used to describe rapists and homosexuals before I was born, and is almost now exclusive to those groups. Almost. Just give it some time.

And that is a proper use of the term, as defined in the dictionary. I don't believe that rape or homosexuality has ever been practiced by the majority. You attach negative connotations to the word because you only use it for negative things. How about these:
Chocolate labs are deviants.
Green eyed people are deviants.
Strawberry ice cream cones are deviants.

Deviant is not a negative thing. What you attach to it gives it a negative connotation, but does not by itself imply that something is bad or wrong.

No, deviant is not a negative thing. It's just letters that come together to form a word that has a meaning.
The way the word is viewed in society is negatively. Can we agree on that?
The aspect of having a "deviant" living in your neighborhood is viewed negatively.
Tell someone that deviant is just an albino man, which is not the norm, and they will look at you in a confused manner. The word has been used to describe a certain group of people, who are already looked down upon, for so long, that a negative connotation comes to mind upon hearing the word.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

And that is a proper use of the term, as defined in the dictionary. I don't believe that rape or homosexuality has ever been practiced by the majority. You attach negative connotations to the word because you only use it for negative things. How about these:
Chocolate labs are deviants.
Green eyed people are deviants.
Strawberry ice cream cones are deviants.

Deviant is not a negative thing. What you attach to it gives it a negative connotation, but does not by itself imply that something is bad or wrong.

Everyone uses it almost exclusively for negative things. It clearly has negative connotations. Carbo used it in a derogatory way, and that's why people are taking issue with it.

 

[LEDominator]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DigDug
Come on, Carbo. In an attempt to appear consistent, you only prove the absurdity of your stance. The reality is not that you are standing up for free speech, but rather free derision of those you've admitted you percieve as deviant.

Seriously. Carbo, your opinion on this matter is influenced by your own dislike of homosexuals. You don't always have to respect a person for telling the truth. An opinion that is based on ignorance and bigotry deserves no respect. You might as well say "Hitler as an evil man, but I respect him for believing that the Jews needed to be exterminated."

You are using flawed logic though. You are comparing two unlike things, and using it in a straw man context. I'll state for the record that I don't agree with the Homosexual lifestyle because I believe that there are certain factors that haven't been thoroughly explained. The difference is I don't advocate the destruction of or the singling out of those communities. I think the whole issue that people have is tolerance vs acceptance. I work with Gay people on a daily basis and have no issues with them, I tolerate the lifestyle they choose but it is not an acceptable lifestyle to me.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Carbo
Good for him. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Is there? I find it amusing that the liberals whine about how intolerant the "unenlightened" are, yet don't tolerate an opinion that differs from their own.

Forget opinions. Homophobes ignore the science that has all but proven homosexuality is biological. Course, what could we expect? These are often the same people that ignore the science of global warming, or ignore the science of geology/carbon dating/friggin' dinosaurs...Maybe social conservatives are really just anti-science.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: LEDominator

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DigDug
Come on, Carbo. In an attempt to appear consistent, you only prove the absurdity of your stance. The reality is not that you are standing up for free speech, but rather free derision of those you've admitted you percieve as deviant.

Seriously. Carbo, your opinion on this matter is influenced by your own dislike of homosexuals. You don't always have to respect a person for telling the truth. An opinion that is based on ignorance and bigotry deserves no respect. You might as well say "Hitler as an evil man, but I respect him for believing that the Jews needed to be exterminated."

You are using flawed logic though. You are comparing two unlike things, and using it in a straw man context. I'll state for the record that I don't agree with the Homosexual lifestyle because I believe that there are certain factors that haven't been thoroughly explained. The difference is I don't advocate the destruction of or the singling out of those communities. I think the whole issue that people have is tolerance vs acceptance. I work with Gay people on a daily basis and have no issues with them, I tolerate the lifestyle they choose but it is not an acceptable lifestyle to me.

I only used that example because someone asked if he would respect someone for saying they hate Jews, and he said that he would. He's saying that it doesn't matter what a person's opinion is, he'll respect them for standing up for it. When really he was backed into a corner. He only respects Hardaway's opinion because he agrees with it.

 

[50cent1228]

Originally posted by: Alone
At least he had the balls to say it.

iv said it so many times

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: LEDominator

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DigDug
Come on, Carbo. In an attempt to appear consistent, you only prove the absurdity of your stance. The reality is not that you are standing up for free speech, but rather free derision of those you've admitted you percieve as deviant.

Seriously. Carbo, your opinion on this matter is influenced by your own dislike of homosexuals. You don't always have to respect a person for telling the truth. An opinion that is based on ignorance and bigotry deserves no respect. You might as well say "Hitler as an evil man, but I respect him for believing that the Jews needed to be exterminated."

You are using flawed logic though. You are comparing two unlike things, and using it in a straw man context. I'll state for the record that I don't agree with the Homosexual lifestyle because I believe that there are certain factors that haven't been thoroughly explained. The difference is I don't advocate the destruction of or the singling out of those communities. I think the whole issue that people have is tolerance vs acceptance. I work with Gay people on a daily basis and have no issues with them, I tolerate the lifestyle they choose but it is not an acceptable lifestyle to me.

They are not unlike comparisons at all. If someone uses irrational fear to derogate others for whatever characteristic the derogated person exhibits, then it's intolerance. That's all that people are asking for, tolerance. No one is asking and no one is expecting that you accept anything that they do, merely that you do not inflict your will on others due to your beliefs. Hardaway can hate gay people all he wants but he should not be praised for stating a belief based on nothing but irrational emotions.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: DigDug
Its always funny to see a black homophobe. You'd think the a$$ would realize the parallel.

it's even funnier to see people try to compare the plight of blacks to that of gays

why is it funny? there are plenty of parallels between society's historical treatment of black people and society's treatment of gay people. Lack of access to marriage is just one similarity. Obviously there are differences as well.

well, there's plenty of parallels between the lifestyles of gays and langur monkeys, but as you say, there are also many differences. i wouldn't throw them together into the same catagory.... (that is unless i was trying to trump up some lame "gay gene" argument.....LMFAO@ME)

What are the huge differences, if you don't mind to elaborate.

monkeys do it as a means to curb aggression. instead of fighting, they bone each other, whereas a homosexual's attaction is more deeply seeded in a lifestyle choice. they desire to share more than the physical. a relationship between two gay men is far more emotionally attached than that of two dumb monkeys deciding not to claw each others eyes out and brown eye it.

Are you fscking retarded?