"I hate gay people"

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mindless1

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: classy
I don't understand the "parallel" of being black and what that has to do with being gay? Its like people lay at the feet of every black person that because they are black they have to support gays. Its the dumbest argument I have ever seen in support of being a homosexual. I guess all jews, hispanics, women, midgets, fat people, ugly people, and we can throw in muslims now too, guess anyone who is not a white male should be required to support homosexuals. It makes no sense at all.

Because unlike everyone you mentioned, homosexuals still have to struggle for equality in the law due to a uncontrollable characteristic.

Some of the arguments used to justify prejudice against gays bear similarity to the ones that supported slavery and segregation: Bilologically flawed, the bible says so, bad influence on society, etc...

I think we must all accept that they are in fact biologically or environmentally flawed to a certain extent, a healthy human is one that has tendencies optimal for procreation and rearing children, with the former at issue though there are plenty of straight people that don't seem to do very well at the latter. That alone does not make it any more acceptible to discriminate against than any other biological flaws, necessarily, as we all have some to a lesser or greater extent.

There is another variable though, the identity of many gay people seems to be in turmoil, most often the younger generation doesn't have enough positive role models and will arbitrarily grasp at someone who is gay merely for being gay, because segments of society can make them feel isolated or estranged. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for someone who has a stereotypical deviant behavior, to deviate in other ways as well and through association, pass on these limited social mindsets through exposure to someone still developing their own self identity. Take the drama queen for example, it does't seem too far fetched to think a substantially higher % of gays act like this opposed to straight people, but there is no real justification for it from being gay - It is possible that person is emotionally unstable and just happens to be gay too, that a similarly emotionally unstable straight person might reserve their behaviors more in this area.

Some people are just fruit loops. Gay or straight doesn't matter, but to an instable person, the additional stresses of being gay in certain environments could exacerbate their fruitiness. So do other human attributes, but it is only certain minority groups that have tried to declare "we demand to be accepted for who we are" without consideration that being rejected for who they are, may not (always) be because they're gay.

Then there is the paranoia, if a gay person is told to expect prejudice, they will tend to interpret more things as prejudice than had they not expected it. Many things you say to someone are a bit ambiguous to them and could be interpreted a number of different ways depending on the mindset of the listener. This can determine their reaction and subsequent interactions.

In the end, being gay is not necessarily a problem, but it could be a potential problem as could many imperfections. Since there is no perfect human being, any choice on how to react to another person has to be a summary decision, not based on only this one variable, although if there is no sexual context and a person is readily recognized as gay, it is their personality you might take issue with instead of their being gay, so it is a personality discrimination against a gay person, not a gay discrimination against a gay person. This is not meant to justify anti-gay sentiments but on the other hand, seldom are things so black and white as we want to try to make them.

Upon reflection my post seems too critical of gays, but there is a bright side. A gay person today does not have to assume that (being gay) limits them or that it determines how they have to act. Take being an elected official for example, if anyone who had considered running thought to themselves "there's no way I'd be elected", then they may have already concluded the chances of success weren't worth the effort, without ever really knowing. That self-destructive thought pattern can be most problematic of all.
 

Siddhartha

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Being really good at running, jumping, and throwing, catching, and hitting a ball does not mean that what you say is any less stupid than other idiots.
 

deepinya

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Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: Alone
At least he had the balls to say it.

I'd agree if he didn't apologize for it.

He apologized just to be PC be we all know he meant what he said and there is NOTHING wrong with it.

He hates gay people, so do I. Well, except for lipstick lesbians.
 

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Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Sorry bud, when I vote... gays are the least of my concerns.
It is not that big of an issue compared to all our other problems.

You may not consider it a big issue, but for many, many people issues like gay marriage and abortion are THE issues on which they decide for whom to vote.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: Carbo
Good for him. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Is there? I find it amusing that the liberals whine about how intolerant the "unenlightened" are, yet don't tolerate an opinion that differs from their own.

Forget opinions. Homophobes ignore the science that has all but proven homosexuality is biological. Course, what could we expect? These are often the same people that ignore the science of global warming, or ignore the science of geology/carbon dating/friggin' dinosaurs...Maybe social conservatives are really just anti-science.

lol...wtf does science have to do with it?...nothing

Scientific fact: dogs are 4 legged, fury mammals.

Many people like dogs because they are friendly, obedient, devoted and playful. Dog owners often look upon their dogs as an extension of their families.

So what?

I hate dogs.

They are stupid, slobbery and smell bad when they get wet. I hate to clean up after them.

The scientific facts of what dogs are, and why they are dogs is irrelevant to the fact that I do not like them.

Just because something is scientifically true and accurate does not mean you have to accept it and like it.

Believe it or not you can understand the science of something and accept it as true facts and still not like it.

I like that illustration! I too hate dogs. I hope I'm not attacked by dog lovers.

It's strange how you're allowed to choose which animals you like and which you dislike, but you're required to like all humans. Why?

Because your opinion of dogs does not affect the outcome of the lives of other dogs.
Your opinion on homosexuals can potentially change their lives.
If you hate/dislike homosexuals, you are going to vote anti-homosexual politicians into office.
Those politicians are going to create laws that set boundaries for homosexuals.
And for what? Do they stink? No. Do they slobber? No. Are they stupid mindless beasts? No. They just happen to find their own sex more attractive than the opposite sex. Such a crime.

Sorry bud, when I vote... gays are the least of my concerns.
It is not that big of an issue compared to all our other problems.

I agree. It's not that big of an issue. So why create laws and modify laws that set those boundaries? It's not that big of an issue.
People want and love issues they can argue about.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: K1052
Because unlike everyone you mentioned, homosexuals still have to struggle for equality in the law due to a uncontrollable characteristic.

I don't have a problem with gays, and they're welcome to do whatever they wish in their bedrooms, but I'm not sure I'd classify homosexuality as an uncontrollable characteristic. I don't see it being any different than any other sexual tendency, such as adultery or polygamy. Do we excuse adulterers in a divorce case simply because "they couldn't help themselves"?

I'm not going to get into whether it's right or wrong because that's nothing more than personal choice, but I do have a problem with giving them whatever they want simply because they say they can't help it. I don't get the same treatment as a heterosexual male, why should they as a homosexual male/female.

I do agree though that there are several rights denied them that are absolutely stupid. That I definitely agree with.
 

johnjohn320

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: Carbo
Good for him. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Is there? I find it amusing that the liberals whine about how intolerant the "unenlightened" are, yet don't tolerate an opinion that differs from their own.

Forget opinions. Homophobes ignore the science that has all but proven homosexuality is biological. Course, what could we expect? These are often the same people that ignore the science of global warming, or ignore the science of geology/carbon dating/friggin' dinosaurs...Maybe social conservatives are really just anti-science.

lol...wtf does science have to do with it?...nothing

Scientific fact: dogs are 4 legged, fury mammals.

Many people like dogs because they are friendly, obedient, devoted and playful. Dog owners often look upon their dogs as an extension of their families.

So what?

I hate dogs.

They are stupid, slobbery and smell bad when they get wet. I hate to clean up after them.

The scientific facts of what dogs are, and why they are dogs is irrelevant to the fact that I do not like them.

Just because something is scientifically true and accurate does not mean you have to accept it and like it.

Believe it or not you can understand the science of something and accept it as true facts and still not like it.

Are you seriously comparing gay people to dogs? Are gay people "stupid, slobbery, and smelly when wet?" Do you hate to "clean up after them?" What do you do for a living? :shocked:

Look, as someone already pointed out, my reason in bringing up the science bit was to point out that it's no different from you disliking black people, tall people, or people with brown hair. Are you allowed to dislike any of these people? Sure. And I'll think you're a ****** for it. Shrug.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: K1052
Because unlike everyone you mentioned, homosexuals still have to struggle for equality in the law due to a uncontrollable characteristic.

I don't have a problem with gays, and they're welcome to do whatever they wish in their bedrooms, but I'm not sure I'd classify homosexuality as an uncontrollable characteristic. I don't see it being any different than any other sexual tendency, such as adultery or polygamy. Do we excuse adulterers in a divorce case simply because "they couldn't help themselves"?

I'm not going to get into whether it's right or wrong because that's nothing more than personal choice, but I do have a problem with giving them whatever they want simply because they say they can't help it. I don't get the same treatment as a heterosexual male, why should they as a homosexual male/female.

I do agree though that there are several rights denied them that are absolutely stupid. That I definitely agree with.

Adultery and polygamy are independent social concepts while homosexuality seems, by all the evidence available, to be biological.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: K1052
Adultery and polygamy are independent social concepts while homosexuality seems, by all the evidence available, to be biological.

There is no evidence that being a homosexual is biological.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: K1052
Adultery and polygamy are independent social concepts while homosexuality seems, by all the evidence available, to be biological.

There is no evidence that being a homosexual is biological.

Yes, people choose to be shunned, hated, beat up, and even killed for jollies.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: K1052
Adultery and polygamy are independent social concepts while homosexuality seems, by all the evidence available, to be biological.

There is no evidence that being a homosexual is biological.

Given that no reputable psychologist or psychiatrist considers it a mental illness, the unlikelihood of it being the devil's work as the religious might claim, and the fact that homosexuality existed in multiple cultures that had zero contact with each other for thousands of years makes it difficult to come to another conclusion.

What precisely causes it is yet unknown (genetics, prenatal hormones, ect...).
 

40sTheme

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People have been doing this alot lately... Oh well, it's what he believes; and he shouldn't have to apologize for it. Homosexuals are a touchy subject lately... I sure as hell don't support the lifestyle; but I don't hate them. Unless they hit on me. Then I'll punch them.
 

killface

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Originally posted by: 40sTheme
People have been doing this alot lately... Oh well, it's what he believes; and he shouldn't have to apologize for it. Homosexuals are a touchy subject lately... I sure as hell don't support the lifestyle; but I don't hate them. Unless they hit on me. Then I'll punch them.

Wow. Unless you're kidding, you're pretty ignorant. Do you punch ugly chicks when they hit on you?
 

thehstrybean

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Originally posted by: killface
Originally posted by: 40sTheme
People have been doing this alot lately... Oh well, it's what he believes; and he shouldn't have to apologize for it. Homosexuals are a touchy subject lately... I sure as hell don't support the lifestyle; but I don't hate them. Unless they hit on me. Then I'll punch them.

Wow. Unless you're kidding, you're pretty ignorant. Do you punch ugly chicks when they hit on you?

He has no worries about that...

Who the fvck cares what he said. He shouldn't have said it out loud to cameras. His fault. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
 

erickj92

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You know I cant agree with him, but good for him that he voiced his opinion, how many people have the guts to say "I hate gay people"?
 

killface

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Originally posted by: deepinya
He hates gay people, so do I.
Did gay people kill your parents? Why would you hate them?

From seanbaby's article:
Very few people have a healthy view of homosexuality. A healthy view of homosexuality is to ignore it until it comes up in the middle of a game of truth or dare and you get dared to start an orgy. Deal with it then. A non-healthy view is usually expressed in three ways:

1: Praise and Over-acceptance
This is the kind of person who has a lot of gay friends and seems fascinated when any of them start to talk about what men they want to have sex with. They consider someone with a dick in their ass intriguing and cosmopolitan. They'll get into long discussions about what it's like with a penis up against a person's bladder, and they'll eventually end up getting drunk and making out with a dude after he talks him into finding out if he's gay.

These people make great targets for gay recruiters. And yes, there are gay recruiters. Gay people recruit worse than Mormons selling Amway. I don't know if it's a conspiracy or just individual homos working independently, but they're constantly in the middle of a membership drive. Maybe they already had sex with all their own asses, or maybe they win a box of cookies for every new homosexual. Either way, recruitment usually consists of a man telling another about their theory of how "everyone is at least bisexual," and following it with his closing, "A man knows what a man wants." That isn't a stereotype. That's every homosexual man under 30. It doesn't usually work, though. The gay community doesn't know this, but women know what men want too. It's not hard to figure a penis out. If you take your pants off and lay on the roof of your car, a car wash can figure out what a man wants. ******, if you rub food on your crotch, a sleeping goat can work out what a man wants.

2: Grim Tolerance
The second type of person is someone who can barely put up with the fact that somewhere out there someone is being gay. They'll say things like, "I don't care what they do, as long as it's in the privacy of their own home." It's sort of a way to still totally hate the idea of gay people, but sound just tolerant enough that no one calls you names. They find it mentionably disgusting, but for some reason never protest how somewhere a fat person might be humping someone with chicken pox and a hunchback.

You'd be amazed at how rarely gay people "do what they do" anywhere where you'd come across it. The fact is, you aren't allowed to have sex outside the privacy of your own home no matter what you're having sex with. Our country protects us from that. But I don't care if two guys decide to f*ck on the sidewalk in front of my house. I have a neck. And I can turn it in 359 degrees as soon as I decide I don't want to see two dudes going at it. Which should be starting about... NOW. Okay, maybe a few more minutes. RIDE THAT ASS, BRUCE! MAKE HIM YOUR NAUGHTY PONY! The only people that this law protects are paralyzed people that get their eyelids jammed open and their wheelchairs set directly in front of gay people having sex.


Sure the Christians hate gay people, but no one that eats babies can be all bad.
3: Outright Hatred
This third type of person probably grew up in a family stolen and enslaved by rampaging homosexual barbarians, or was partially eaten by a homosexual animal. They hate gay people, or at least plan on hating them if they ever meet one. These are the kind of heroes that keep children safe by making sure gay couples can't get married, and protest companies for not firing or exploding gay employees.

These bigots are actually more rare than you think. If you find more than one person in your area that hates gay people, you're probably in north Idaho. Go be gay somewhere else. Because being gay in north Idaho is like being a midget trainer at a circus with no midgets. It would take a miracle of time and space for you to ever get a chance to do your job.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: K1052
Adultery and polygamy are independent social concepts while homosexuality seems, by all the evidence available, to be biological.

Does that really matter though? I'm honestly not sure where I stand on it being biological. I can't see homosexuality and over-active sex drive being all that different, as far as biology is concerned. I don't know. I confess to being no expert in the field of biology and genetics.

I'd be interested to see some studies on that.
 

mikester0421

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In the 60's people would send their teenage kids to re-programming centers; I love this "it's a choice."

"What a rebel that guy is! Choosing to be shunned by a good portion of society and risking familial, workplace and other interpersonal hatred and rejection!"

Why would people fear gays? There are plenty of babies born who would be in a much better place in the care of a gay couple than a heterosexual couple. Yes they can't have the child on their own but the population of the planet has increased exponentially (logical eh) from like 1 billion to 6 billion in one century. Plenty of babies for the continued "survival" of the human species...if we don't kill ourselves through over-population instead.

I also love the; "if you give a homo a cookie, he/she is going to want a glass of milk." That somehow the increased acceptance of homosexuals will lead to the inevitable growth of their numbers...until...until...WE ARE ALL GAY AND HUMANITY IS DOOMED!!! I can offer my 100% deviant guarantee that an increase in numbers of gay people in society would be more from closeted people coming out and not from impressionable teenagers deciding "being gay is cool!"

Why does a heterosexual man find the female form sexually enticing? Why does a homosexual man find the male form sexually enticing? These are innate desires of human existence; the drive to procreate. Homosexuals just have that drive directed toward other men instead of women. People that try to hide their sexuality are often publicly unsuccessful.

Why would someone care what other people do with each other? I think that if society were to just say "you are not a deviant," many homosexuals would come out sooner and lead normal sexual lives (instead of, in some cases, antisocial, sometimes suicidal lives). If gay people could just come out and be gay there would not be a whole lot of ambiguity of who is and is not gay.

And the difference between being fat or rude or pierced and being gay is that the former are a choice while being gay is not (some people are fat b/c they are gay and hate themselves b/c of it). Whatever you are, spend 10 minutes getting yourself sexually aroused by the opposite (unless you are bi...) and then TELL someone that what they are is a choice. And don't say it's because you don't want to make the choice, just prove yourself right for 10 minutes of work.

 

g0dMAn

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I can see where this guy is coming from... he was a bit harsh on the words, but I DEFINITELY DO THINK THAT A GAY MAN SHOULD NOT SHARE A LOCKER ROOM WITH STRAIGHT MEN!

I so emphasize that. If it's okay for a homosexual man to be in the locker room with me, then I should be allowed in the same locker room as women.

I remember back in my freshman year of college, I had to share a "suite" with a gay dude. There was 5 of us in the suite - 2 bedrooms of 2, and one single bedroom, which the gay dude was in. I DESPISED him using the bathroom when I was coming out of the shower in my towel. It was VERY uncomfortable...

I'm sure a good portion of men don't like to be around a gay man when he's got even his shirt off... if the gay dude was a CLOSE friend of mine, AND he was already seeing someone, I may not mind, but other than that, sharing a locker room can be disturbing.

Anyone agree? I bet there are many people fine with it, but I guarantee there are LOTS that aren't... it can be uncomfortable.
 

Chryso

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Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

LOL thanks... like i told zyso... i'm trying my hardest to get it locked.

You know, you could just stop reading it.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: g0dMAn
I can see where this guy is coming from... he was a bit harsh on the words, but I DEFINITELY DO THINK THAT A GAY MAN SHOULD NOT SHARE A LOCKER ROOM WITH STRAIGHT MEN!

I so emphasize that. If it's okay for a homosexual man to be in the locker room with me, then I should be allowed in the same locker room as women.

I remember back in my freshman year of college, I had to share a "suite" with a gay dude. There was 5 of us in the suite - 2 bedrooms of 2, and one single bedroom, which the gay dude was in. I DESPISED him using the bathroom when I was coming out of the shower in my towel. It was VERY uncomfortable...

I'm sure a good portion of men don't like to be around a gay man when he's got even his shirt off... if the gay dude was a CLOSE friend of mine, AND he was already seeing someone, I may not mind, but other than that, sharing a locker room can be disturbing.

Anyone agree? I bet there are many people fine with it, but I guarantee there are LOTS that aren't... it can be uncomfortable.

lol

Allow me to let you in on a little secret: There are gay men in every locker room, they do not want to sleep with you, and you cannot catch "teh gay" from them because you are both not fully clothed.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: g0dMAn
I can see where this guy is coming from... he was a bit harsh on the words, but I DEFINITELY DO THINK THAT A GAY MAN SHOULD NOT SHARE A LOCKER ROOM WITH STRAIGHT MEN!

I so emphasize that. If it's okay for a homosexual man to be in the locker room with me, then I should be allowed in the same locker room as women.

I remember back in my freshman year of college, I had to share a "suite" with a gay dude. There was 5 of us in the suite - 2 bedrooms of 2, and one single bedroom, which the gay dude was in. I DESPISED him using the bathroom when I was coming out of the shower in my towel. It was VERY uncomfortable...

I'm sure a good portion of men don't like to be around a gay man when he's got even his shirt off... if the gay dude was a CLOSE friend of mine, AND he was already seeing someone, I may not mind, but other than that, sharing a locker room can be disturbing.

Anyone agree? I bet there are many people fine with it, but I guarantee there are LOTS that aren't... it can be uncomfortable.

Don't flatter yourself. Unless you are hot.
 
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