i hate steam

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: rbV5
I just started using Steam with my HL2 purchase, so its only been a little while. I don't have any complaints myself other than I don't see any way of adding HL:S to my steam account(I never played the original, so I thought it might be fun). I like Steam and the update feature myself, my games are always patched. I don't recall not being able to play CS:S either, I just might have luckily missed all the server outages I guess.

HL:S was not included in the normal retail package, you've gotta pay extra for that.

 

[rbV5]

HL:S was not included in the normal retail package, you've gotta pay extra for that

I know, but how? I see no way to add it to this account.

 

[Killrose]

well I tried to update/play some origional CS for the first time in 2(?) years. Registered my CD-key got the latest update vers thru Steam (I think that's what was going on) I think I have the latest vers 1.6 now, but when I tried getting the game to run, it said something like "servers busy, try back latter" or something.

I was able to bring up some HL servers and after awhile actually get on one which had no on else on it, so I would suspect CS should work. I did try to go to CounterStrike.net and they were having a problem last nite, but would that keep CS from running? I dunno.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: rbV5

HL:S was not included in the normal retail package, you've gotta pay extra for that

I know, but how? I see no way to add it to this account.

As of right now, if you didnt purchase it with HL2, I think you're SOL. They're going to make it a purchase option in the future I believe.

 

[Modeps]

I think it's quite amusing that as soon as I mentioned the word "Pirate", everyone ran away and the thread died.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Good for you. Support the publishers who have nothing to do at all with the product. I prefer giving my money to Valve and not Vivendi, who I feel have not only delivered a first rate game in a sea of mediocrity but have the balls to attempt something new and bring more revenue to their house. Steam is a fantastic idea and a fantastic product. I really hope many other dev sheds decide to use it once the few kinks are ironed out.

The truth of the matter is that out of everyone that complains about how terrible Steam is, there's a load of people that have had no problems at all and decide to not voice their opinion on a message board completely unrelated to Valve's forums... you know... where you should be posting complaints instead of bitching about it to people who can't do a damn thing to help you out.

Vivendi told them they shouldn't do steam, so I'd rather give my money to vivendi than valve. Steam is not usefull. It's losing them customers. It's a terrible product. I for one will not buy anything Valve again if they continue to use this service. The service prevented me from playing my game for nearly 4 hours after purchase because steam couldn't handle the load. It prevented me from playing a game that did not require steam all because steam couldn't handle the load. It has been proven that steam actually slows the games down, and it does nothing beneficial. In concept it might have sounded neat, but in practice it's a complete failure and should be removed.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

i hate FVCKING steam

How exactly do you fornicate with a digital distribution device?



- M4H

 

[silent tone]

Originally posted by: malak

Vivendi told them they shouldn't do steam, so I'd rather give my money to vivendi than valve.

Gee, I can't think of any reason Vivendi would say that.

I like steam, no driving to the store. No fooling with CD's.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I think it's quite amusing that as soon as I mentioned the word "Pirate", everyone ran away and the thread died.

I think it's quite amusing that none of the Steam fans even bother responding to my post.

 

[Lord Athlon]

Steam is evil

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: istallion

Originally posted by: malak

Vivendi told them they shouldn't do steam, so I'd rather give my money to vivendi than valve.

Gee, I can't think of any reason Vivendi would say that.

I like steam, no driving to the store. No fooling with CD's.

Yeah, but they didn't need to do steam to do that. Other games let you download their game without having to do the crap that steam does. Personally, I prefer having the CDs, and I don't like the fact that after buying and installing the game I can't play it because the game is encrypted and the only way to decrypt is through steam, and then the only way to play a single player only game is to use this. Does that not sound stupid?

 

[spunkz]

i think its awesome simply for the weekly patches. the preloading is cool too, but only if they didnt activate every single copy at the same time, completely overloading their servers and destroying any advantage of preloading in the first place. other than that, having a server browser and buddy list built into one application that eliminates the need for 8+ separate game directories/icons is a pretty good thing. u know you had gamespy/kquery/all-seeing-eye/HLLauncher/HLIRC or whatever before steam if you played HL mods at all. Now you'll continue to play those mods or even new ones, even though you might have uninstalled them all months or years ago, just because they are easy to access and already downloaded to your computer via steam.

Plus the fact that you can buy HL2 Silver for $60 and get CS:S, CS1.6, DOD, HL:S, HL2DM and other awesome acronyms, AND not have to keep up with patches and cds, makes it totally worth dealing with a slightly buggy launching platform that is improving week by week.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: spunkz
i think its awesome simply for the weekly patches. the preloading is cool too, but only if they didnt activate every single copy at the same time, completely overloading their servers and destroying any advantage of preloading in the first place. other than that, having a server browser and buddy list built into one application that eliminates the need for 8+ separate game directories/icons is a pretty good thing. u know you had gamespy/kquery/all-seeing-eye/HLLauncher/HLIRC or whatever before steam if you played HL mods at all. Now you'll continue to play those mods or even new ones, even though you might have uninstalled them all months or years ago, just because they are easy to access and already downloaded to your computer via steam.

You did not need all that. Plus, you could just get xfire which works a lot better and is more reliable. It can download patches for you, it has a much better buddy system, it has much better features that can be used inside or outside the game, and it doesn't take nearly as much memory to run. Plus it won't slow down hl2 at all like steam does. Xfire > Steam

Plus the fact that you can buy HL2 Silver for $60 and get CS:S, CS1.6, DOD, HL:S, HL2DM and other awesome acronyms, AND not have to keep up with patches and cds, makes it totally worth dealing with a slightly buggy launching platform that is improving week by week.

Having CD's normally would be a lot more useful. Imagine if you didn't have an internet connection but wanted to play. It could happen, but because of steam it won't work. Also, a lot of that other stuff isn't worth it. Why bother with old valve games if the new ones are ten times better(ie cs 1.6 over cs:s). HL:S has been criticized many times as a waste of time, and there will be many free mods that may even be better than the DoD port. I've seen one in particular that is shaping up very nicely.

Keeping up with patches is not an issue. MANY games for years have had built-in features to update themselves without having to use POS software like steam. There are still many reasons why steam is a bad idea and completely unnecessary.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: spunkz
i think its awesome simply for the weekly patches. the preloading is cool too, but only if they didnt activate every single copy at the same time, completely overloading their servers and destroying any advantage of preloading in the first place. other than that, having a server browser and buddy list built into one application that eliminates the need for 8+ separate game directories/icons is a pretty good thing. u know you had gamespy/kquery/all-seeing-eye/HLLauncher/HLIRC or whatever before steam if you played HL mods at all. Now you'll continue to play those mods or even new ones, even though you might have uninstalled them all months or years ago, just because they are easy to access and already downloaded to your computer via steam.

I have a program that does the same thing. Except that instead of just games, it downloads and installs my word proccessors, file managers, window managers, themes, fonts, 3d art programs, renders, 2d art programs, text editors, web browsers, instant messagers, word proccessors, spreadsheets, audio players, playlist editors, encryption tools, security tools, firewalls, virus scanners, VPN tools, compilers, debuggers, drafting tools, etc etc etc.

In fact every single bit of software is downloaded, installed, configured and kept up to date in a similar way that STEAM does just for halflife 2 and friends. I and other people have been doing this for YEARS.

Except that it doesn't require me to surrender control of my machine to a third party, it allows me to update and maintain older packages at will, it has multiple mirrors and does not require me to authenticate against a central server in order to use my own software.

Needless to say I find what Steam does very unimpressive and the restrictions and controls that it imposses on users to be very distastefull. It reminds me when in grade school I would have to get permission to use the restroom, except now you guys ask permission to use software on your own computer.

User: "Mr. Steam, Mr. Steam! Can I have permission to play on Halflife now?"
Steam: "Oh, I dont' know, bobby, I am kind of busy right now."
U: "Please, oh please can I play?"
S: "Ok, but you have to download this first."
U: "Thankyou! Thankyou! Mister Steam!"
S: "Well, you just thank Valve now, ya' hear!"

There are much better ways to get the positive benifits of steam without being subjected to such... things.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: drag
There are much better ways to get the positive benifits of steam without being subjected to such... things.

Like?

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Modeps
And to spacelord, you have the stupidest complaint out of them all... You're angry that Valve is still trying to make their product better by patching and updating, simply because you're an impatient sod. Run Steam all the time as it was intended and the downloads will, 9 times out of 10, be ready when you want to play NOW.

So, he should have to run a program on startup that he doesn't like already, to avoid this, when he should have control over what happens to the games he owns already??

Let's just imagine, if every company out there decided to include a Steam-like system, and all of a sudden, you have to keep ten different programs running in memory 100% of the time your computer is up, all so you can play a game now without waiting an hour to get through busy servers and download a patch.

Your loyalty is commendable though. I'm sure it's hard to type when you're bent over like that...

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I think it's quite amusing that as soon as I mentioned the word "Pirate", everyone ran away and the thread died.

Yes, since everyone who can't stand Steam is obviously a pirate...whatever...

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: dgevert
So, he should have to run a program on startup that he doesn't like already, to avoid this, when he should have control over what happens to the games he owns already??

Let's just imagine, if every company out there decided to include a Steam-like system, and all of a sudden, you have to keep ten different programs running in memory 100% of the time your computer is up, all so you can play a game now without waiting an hour to get through busy servers and download a patch.

Your loyalty is commendable though. I'm sure it's hard to type when you're bent over like that...

My steam does not load at startup. It loads when I click the little steam icon...

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: malak
Vivendi told them they shouldn't do steam, so I'd rather give my money to vivendi than valve. Steam is not usefull. It's losing them customers. It's a terrible product. I for one will not buy anything Valve again if they continue to use this service. The service prevented me from playing my game for nearly 4 hours after purchase because steam couldn't handle the load. It prevented me from playing a game that did not require steam all because steam couldn't handle the load. It has been proven that steam actually slows the games down, and it does nothing beneficial. In concept it might have sounded neat, but in practice it's a complete failure and should be removed.

Vivendi didnt want them to do Steam because it loses Vivendi money. Where do you come up with this stuff? Now Steam is losing them customers? In the United States, Half Life 2 is still in the top 10 best selling games. For the week ending January 8th, it was 2nd only to The Sims 2. I would like to see the proof that steam slows games down, after all according to you, it has been proven.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Sunner
I think it's quite amusing that none of the Steam fans even bother responding to my post.

I would have replied to it, but honestly it seems like more of an opinion post rather than anything that needs to be furthered argued. If you had problems with your CD keys when they switched from Won to Steam, I'm sorry. I didnt have that problem and you are honestly the first person I've heard that did have that happen to them.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: malak
Yeah, but they didn't need to do steam to do that. Other games let you download their game without having to do the crap that steam does. Personally, I prefer having the CDs, and I don't like the fact that after buying and installing the game I can't play it because the game is encrypted and the only way to decrypt is through steam, and then the only way to play a single player only game is to use this. Does that not sound stupid?

No, it doesnt sound stupid. Valve knows piracy is a big problem and the decryption was a piracy control method. That's why you had to authenticate with their servers first. It's similar to having to activate Windows XP, although because it's a game, they didnt want anyone to play that hadn't authenticated (with XP, you could use it for a few weeks before needing to authenticate). If you'd rather have the CDs, cool. I used to think that way too but I enjoyed getting HL2 through Steam and had it ready to go when I got home from work the day after release.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: dgevert
So, he should have to run a program on startup that he doesn't like already, to avoid this, when he should have control over what happens to the games he owns already??

Let's just imagine, if every company out there decided to include a Steam-like system, and all of a sudden, you have to keep ten different programs running in memory 100% of the time your computer is up, all so you can play a game now without waiting an hour to get through busy servers and download a patch.

Your loyalty is commendable though. I'm sure it's hard to type when you're bent over like that...

You people are unbelievable. Do your fsking research. If you want to play offline, without downloading patches, you can. *gasp*

Personally when I am playing single player a game and I hear a patch comes out, I download it and install it the next time I want to play. Why? Because OH MY GOD it may FIX or IMPROVE THE GAME! I cant believe that people are upset that the game is getting updated. Your gripes are so unfounded and you sound like morons. When the patch first comes out, sure the servers may be a bit overloaded... it happens even when other companies release updates to popular games.

Try doing this: Make games not so important to your life and give it a day or two.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: Modeps
I think it's quite amusing that as soon as I mentioned the word "Pirate", everyone ran away and the thread died.

Yes, since everyone who can't stand Steam is obviously a pirate...whatever...

I heard it's fun to take quotes out of context. Try reading my post before that one where I said I wouldnt be surprised if the people complaing were pirates... Soon after that, people stopped posting. Stop trying to be clever and leave it to the pros.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: drag
There are much better ways to get the positive benifits of steam without being subjected to such... things.

Like?

like this

With my computer I have over 10,000 software packagese that I can install with a click of a button. Anything from solitare to entire operating systems.

People have been doing this sort of thing, download games and software off of the internet and keep it updated, for years and years. Steam is needlessly complex and invasive. It's all about them having incredably anal level controls over what you do with your own computer and your own software that you bought from them.

 

[XBoxLPU]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: dgevert
So, he should have to run a program on startup that he doesn't like already, to avoid this, when he should have control over what happens to the games he owns already??

Let's just imagine, if every company out there decided to include a Steam-like system, and all of a sudden, you have to keep ten different programs running in memory 100% of the time your computer is up, all so you can play a game now without waiting an hour to get through busy servers and download a patch.

Your loyalty is commendable though. I'm sure it's hard to type when you're bent over like that...

You people are unbelievable. Do your fsking research. If you want to play offline, without downloading patches, you can. *gasp*

Personally when I am playing single player a game and I hear a patch comes out, I download it and install it the next time I want to play. Why? Because OH MY GOD it may FIX or IMPROVE THE GAME! I cant believe that people are upset that the game is getting updated. Your gripes are so unfounded and you sound like morons. When the patch first comes out, sure the servers may be a bit overloaded... it happens even when other companies release updates to popular games.

Try doing this: Make games not so important to your life and give it a day or two.

Same here. Not to mention, steam automatically downloads the patch and installs it for you. Updates for me have never been more then a few minutes.

It just seems like everyone is always posting the same old crap about how steam sucks... with providing far more BS in there posts. *sigh*