i hate steam

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
Ah, the old "nothing happened to me so it must be your fault" argument. It is the Valve fanboy's favorite response.

Because it's true.

If steam is having certain kinds of incombatibilities with your system, then it's something you did or something you are doing. Steam will install and run perfectly fine on a fresh install of Windows, therefore any changes you make are the only ones that will truly affect Steam.

What I'm saying is that if you are having problems with Steam, simply posting and bitching about it can't freaking help them because they don't know enough about each individual's system, internet service, network hardware and other installed programs. Are you seriously expecting Valve to go through every possible combination of installed programs to detect bugs being caused by some other program that they didn't write?

Valve is doing everything in their power to make sure Steam runs and if you know how to use a computer running it shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry, but these statements are so full of shit. It is really apparant you have done little to no software development. Because if you had, you would understand that just because it runs fine on your machine, doesn't mean it will run fine on your user's. Most of the time it has nothing to do with anything being wrong on the user's computer, just different.

Also, what I DO expect is Valve to support their goddamn product. Quite simply, they don't. It is impossible to get ANY support from them. Yea, that shows how hard Valve is trying to keep Steam running well.

And yes, I have had problems with running Steam on an absolutely new install of windows. Sorry, but blaming every single problem someone may have on user error just because it runs right one a single computer is not how software works.

 

[PsharkJF]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: PsharkJF
It doesn't stop ANY cheating. VAC doesn't bother to detect 95% of opengl wrappers out there.

Edit: 70% of TFC is illegitimate in one way or another, either using perfectplayer.dll or bhop.dll

Originally posted by: apoppin
Sure it is an "attempt" - but anirritating customer-unfriendly one . . . It is generating huge bucks for themselves without providing ANYTHING of (extra) value to their customers.

Yup. It isn't perfect. But it is still a step in the RIGHT direction. Or perhaps the necessary direction.

I'm sorry, but not really. VAC is an utter joke.
I'll show you something that isn't a joke:
http://tfc.sta-league.org/ Go to the Ban List.
I'll get you some insight into this:
Roaster John (anagram for Trojan Horse), back when all Valve games were on WON, was a common OGC style client-side hook with two caveats, one being that it was the only cheat of the time that posessed something known as an "autodet" in TFC, and it had a logger built into the cheat. All of the players that you see banned for Roaster John are people that used the cheat in a match environment. At this time, the STA did not ban people for hacking on a public server - a policy that was soon amended. Many players also played with the unlogged version of Roaster John that was soon made.
Syntex Multicheat was a cheat created by a guy named Syntex who, basically, coded Roaster John into steam, with one other caveat known as Trueaim. (Without going into a long explanation of the mechanics of the conc effect in TFC, let's just say it nullifies a condition in which you cannot exactly know where you are shooting) I know one of the three people banned for this, and Syntex somehow knew who was using his cheat (although I'm pretty sure there were no loggers in the cheat).
And then we have PerfectPlayer, a spinoff of Syntex's cheat modified by a person named MasE. Think Roaster John version 2. It had all the features, autodet, trueaim, as well as every other feature you could find in a CS hack. 80 plus people were banned for using the logged version, but it was also common knowledge that there was (and still is, in fact) an unlogged version floating around. For every one person caught, there is at least 2 others using the unlogged version.
I referenced "bhop.dll" and, for people who haven't played TFC, bunny hopping is supported and has a 170% speed cap on it. IF the cap is broken, you are knocked back down to 110% speed. Bhop.dll makes it impossible for you to break the cap - it will lock you at 169% speed no matter what you do. Guess what, that's unlogged.
Now, tell me how VAC "works" when these hacks, in addition to the other much more common CS hacks do, in essence, the same exact thing. Aimbots, wallhacks, etc, are common to all HL mods. Anticoncs, Trueaim and autodets are specific to TFC. These cheats have been common knowledge to everyone in TFC for the past year, at least. I'm sure at least ONE of us has submitted this to Valve - yet it's not detected. Quite effective.

By the way, for the person supporting Valve on the steam issue: I used to get 75 fps solid in WON TFC. I get 30 as a low in Steam TFC. The fact that Valve took a game that could run on a 500 MHz machine and nerfed it that badly speaks volumes as to how bad the platform really is.

 

[skace]

If I understand you correctly, you are saying it ISN'T a step in the right direction simply because it isn't perfect yet? Err.. Ok I agree. They should just give up and not try to stop anything at all.

Also, why do you say VAC is a joke? Because it isn't working with CS Source?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
Ah, the old "nothing happened to me so it must be your fault" argument. It is the Valve fanboy's favorite response.

Because it's true.

If steam is having certain kinds of incombatibilities with your system, then it's something you did or something you are doing. Steam will install and run perfectly fine on a fresh install of Windows, therefore any changes you make are the only ones that will truly affect Steam.

What I'm saying is that if you are having problems with Steam, simply posting and bitching about it can't freaking help them because they don't know enough about each individual's system, internet service, network hardware and other installed programs. Are you seriously expecting Valve to go through every possible combination of installed programs to detect bugs being caused by some other program that they didn't write?

Valve is doing everything in their power to make sure Steam runs and if you know how to use a computer running it shouldn't be a problem.

RIDICULOUS.
:roll:

i didn't realize there were mindless Valve/Steam fanbots . . . . .
:shocked:

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
Ah, the old "nothing happened to me so it must be your fault" argument. It is the Valve fanboy's favorite response.

Because it's true.

If steam is having certain kinds of incombatibilities with your system, then it's something you did or something you are doing. Steam will install and run perfectly fine on a fresh install of Windows, therefore any changes you make are the only ones that will truly affect Steam.

What I'm saying is that if you are having problems with Steam, simply posting and bitching about it can't freaking help them because they don't know enough about each individual's system, internet service, network hardware and other installed programs. Are you seriously expecting Valve to go through every possible combination of installed programs to detect bugs being caused by some other program that they didn't write?

Valve is doing everything in their power to make sure Steam runs and if you know how to use a computer running it shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry, but these statements are so full of shit. It is really apparant you have done little to no software development. Because if you had, you would understand that just because it runs fine on your machine, doesn't mean it will run fine on your user's. Most of the time it has nothing to do with anything being wrong on the user's computer, just different.

Also, what I DO expect is Valve to support their goddamn product. Quite simply, they don't. It is impossible to get ANY support from them. Yea, that shows how hard Valve is trying to keep Steam running well.

And yes, I have had problems with running Steam on an absolutely new install of windows. Sorry, but blaming every single problem someone may have on user error just because it runs right one a single computer is not how software works.

Everything you just said I have already talked about.

-I know that just because it runs fine on one machine doesn't mean it will on the next, and the usual problem that makes this happen is another piece of software conflicting with it or problems in working with the drivers for certain hardware... and again, VALVE CAN'T TEST ON EVERY FREAKING COMBINATION OF HARDWARE/SOFTWARE IN THE WORLD... so there are GOING to be bugs and simply posting on an internet forum bitching about them doesn't help get them fixed.

-Valve DOES support their product, but once again, posting a bitchy rant about it on an internet forum doesn't do squatt. Properly logging the bug and sending them everything you know about it is what you need to do... but too bad they have thousands of people saying "i hate FVCKING steam" and then going off about some stupid little problem they had that they can't properly 'diagnose'. I know by the fact that steam gets an update every 10 days or so that they do support their product and that they are working out the bugs.

-What you have failed to say this whole time is the problems you are having and how they were corrected. Please don't sit there and tell me that you are just bitching about it without doing anything about it, otherwise you don't deserve to talk in this thread. Everytime I troubleshoot a PC where someone can't install software, it's because something is fvcked up on their system that they did. With a record like that, it's easy to say that most of the time steam having problems is user error. If you disagree, then why don't you post some experiences you've had where the fix needed to come from valve.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
Ah, the old "nothing happened to me so it must be your fault" argument. It is the Valve fanboy's favorite response.

Because it's true.

If steam is having certain kinds of incombatibilities with your system, then it's something you did or something you are doing. Steam will install and run perfectly fine on a fresh install of Windows, therefore any changes you make are the only ones that will truly affect Steam.

What I'm saying is that if you are having problems with Steam, simply posting and bitching about it can't freaking help them because they don't know enough about each individual's system, internet service, network hardware and other installed programs. Are you seriously expecting Valve to go through every possible combination of installed programs to detect bugs being caused by some other program that they didn't write?

Valve is doing everything in their power to make sure Steam runs and if you know how to use a computer running it shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry, but these statements are so full of shit. It is really apparant you have done little to no software development. Because if you had, you would understand that just because it runs fine on your machine, doesn't mean it will run fine on your user's. Most of the time it has nothing to do with anything being wrong on the user's computer, just different.

Also, what I DO expect is Valve to support their goddamn product. Quite simply, they don't. It is impossible to get ANY support from them. Yea, that shows how hard Valve is trying to keep Steam running well.

And yes, I have had problems with running Steam on an absolutely new install of windows. Sorry, but blaming every single problem someone may have on user error just because it runs right one a single computer is not how software works.

Everything you just said I have already talked about.

-I know that just because it runs fine on one machine doesn't mean it will on the next, and the usual problem that makes this happen is another piece of software conflicting with it or problems in working with the drivers for certain hardware... and again, VALVE CAN'T TEST ON EVERY FREAKING COMBINATION OF HARDWARE/SOFTWARE IN THE WORLD... so there are GOING to be bugs and simply posting on an internet forum bitching about them doesn't help get them fixed.

Yep. That's one (of several) of the reasons that Valve was stupid for using something like Steam.They knew that it would screw over many users, but they did it anyways. They could of designed differently so that you use a simple CD key to authenticate and then allow people to play irregardless or not they can connect to a few servers on the internet.

-Valve DOES support their product, but once again, posting a bitchy rant about it on an internet forum doesn't do squatt. Properly logging the bug and sending them everything you know about it is what you need to do... but too bad they have thousands of people saying "i hate FVCKING steam" and then going off about some stupid little problem they had that they can't properly 'diagnose'. I know by the fact that steam gets an update every 10 days or so that they do support their product and that they are working out the bugs.

Well it's bad to bitch a whole lot, but it's good to warn people from making the same mistake by buying the game.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Injury it's easy to say that most of the time steam having problems is user error. If you disagree, then why don't you post some experiences you've had where the fix needed to come from valve.

it's EASY to blame the end-user - if you worship valve as your god that can do no wrong.

:roll:

examples?: there are many (MANY) on these forums . . . . players that had to wait - sometimes for days/weeks - for an "auto-update" to fix their "stutter" problems; for an update to fix "offline" mode . . . . wait, wait, wait and no way to give valve any feedback - except to NOT buy any more of their games till they FIX steam - for EVERYone.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury
Everything you just said I have already talked about.

-I know that just because it runs fine on one machine doesn't mean it will on the next, and the usual problem that makes this happen is another piece of software conflicting with it or problems in working with the drivers for certain hardware... and again, VALVE CAN'T TEST ON EVERY FREAKING COMBINATION OF HARDWARE/SOFTWARE IN THE WORLD... so there are GOING to be bugs and simply posting on an internet forum bitching about them doesn't help get them fixed.

-Valve DOES support their product, but once again, posting a bitchy rant about it on an internet forum doesn't do squatt. Properly logging the bug and sending them everything you know about it is what you need to do... but too bad they have thousands of people saying "i hate FVCKING steam" and then going off about some stupid little problem they had that they can't properly 'diagnose'. I know by the fact that steam gets an update every 10 days or so that they do support their product and that they are working out the bugs.

-What you have failed to say this whole time is the problems you are having and how they were corrected. Please don't sit there and tell me that you are just bitching about it without doing anything about it, otherwise you don't deserve to talk in this thread. Everytime I troubleshoot a PC where someone can't install software, it's because something is fvcked up on their system that they did. With a record like that, it's easy to say that most of the time steam having problems is user error. If you disagree, then why don't you post some experiences you've had where the fix needed to come from valve.

My god I've never seen a fanboy this bad. Sorry, but I tried numerous times to contact valve's customer support. Go ahead and try to find their customer support email or phone number on their homepage. All they have is some hidden ask a question form that no one ever responds to. Hell, the only way I was able to find that in the first place is because someone here posted a direct link to it.

And yes, it is the maker's responsibility to make sure their software runs on my hardware assuming it meets the minimum requirements. Say Steam didn't work with SATA drives. Is it my fault that I use a SATA drive or is it Valve's fault for not making Steam compatible with SATA drives? Believe me, a LOT of people have problems with Steam. Way more than should.

Anyways, it's obvious there is no convincing you. You think everything Valve has made is gold. Blue shift, gold. Opposing force, gold. VAC, gold. Right. Notice how the only mods for HL that anyone plays were originally made by the community?

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: obsidian
My god I've never seen a fanboy this bad. Sorry, but I tried numerous times to contact valve's customer support. Go ahead and try to find their customer support email or phone number on their homepage. All they have is some hidden ask a question form that no one ever responds to. Hell, the only way I was able to find that in the first place is because someone here posted a direct link to it.

And yes, it is the maker's responsibility to make sure their software runs on my hardware assuming it meets the minimum requirements. Say Steam didn't work with SATA drives. Is it my fault that I use a SATA drive or is it Valve's fault for not making Steam compatible with SATA drives? Believe me, a LOT of people have problems with Steam. Way more than should.

Anyways, it's obvious there is no convincing you. You think everything Valve has made is gold. Blue shift, gold. Opposing force, gold. VAC, gold. Right. Notice how the only mods for HL that anyone plays were originally made by the community?

-Last I checked they had an entire forum that IS monitored. Not only will other users help you, people from valve do actively post workaround until fixes have been made.

-Again, what kind of problems are YOU having that is making YOU so bitchy about it? It's apparently easy for you to spout off that steam is a POS but you have made no mention when I've asked of the problems you are having. I have no reason to believe you when you say a lot of people are having problems, because I would bet my car on the fact that a vast majority of the people who have attempted to use steam DON'T have problems.

-Your last statement is just complete and utter crap. Opposing Force is nothing more than an add-on for half-life, and yes, I enjoyed having the extra game play from it. It's not even a mod. Perhaps you might notice that with the exception of TFC, the ONLY mods made were by the community, and even still people play TFC regularly. Valve Anti-Cheat has and is working. Like I said, if you see someone hacking, take comfort in the fact that in two weeks they won't have an account anymore.

You're damn right there is no convincing me that Steam sucks. I have yet to have a problem and you have yet to post a valid reason why any problems people are having are entirely steams fault, let alone any reason to back your statements up. It sounds to me like you are either just on the steam-hating bandwagon or you are just pissed because you can't fix problems for yourself.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury
-Last I checked they had an entire forum that IS monitored. Not only will other users help you, people from valve do actively post workaround until fixes have been made.

-Again, what kind of problems are YOU having that is making YOU so bitchy about it? It's apparently easy for you to spout off that steam is a POS but you have made no mention when I've asked of the problems you are having. I have no reason to believe you when you say a lot of people are having problems, because I would bet my car on the fact that a vast majority of the people who have attempted to use steam DON'T have problems.

-Your last statement is just complete and utter crap. Opposing Force is nothing more than an add-on for half-life, and yes, I enjoyed having the extra game play from it. It's not even a mod. Perhaps you might notice that with the exception of TFC, the ONLY mods made were by the community, and even still people play TFC regularly. Valve Anti-Cheat has and is working. Like I said, if you see someone hacking, take comfort in the fact that in two weeks they won't have an account anymore.

You're damn right there is no convincing me that Steam sucks. I have yet to have a problem and you have yet to post a valid reason why any problems people are having are entirely steams fault, let alone any reason to back your statements up. It sounds to me like you are either just on the steam-hating bandwagon or you are just pissed because you can't fix problems for yourself.

No, I'm pissed that I had a problem and it was impossible to get help from Valve. Yes, I also posted in their forums which are a complete and utter joke. No one from Valve actively monitors them and helps people.

My problem was with connecting to multiplayer games in any steam game. It simply wouldn't connect. It would timeout after 4 tries. I had every port forwarded on my router and even put it in the DMZ. Nothing worked. This was with a fairly popular router, the Netgear RP614. Every single other game worked flawlessly. This includes Doom3, Far Cry, Quake3, Painkiller, and many others.

I ended up buying a new router to fix this problem after 3 weeks of being unable to get ANY sort of response from Valve. I asked a question through their form, have yet to get a response. Posted on their forums, nada. I reformated about 4 times with both XP SP1 and SP2. It worked once if I installed Steam directly after install, but if I rebooted it no longer worked.

Don't kid yourself, VAC hasn't been updated in months. No new cheaters are getting caught.

However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: obsidian
However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

Good. If you are pirating their games you deserve it. I don't see how this is a "problem".

 

[PsharkJF]

Originally posted by: skace
If I understand you correctly, you are saying it ISN'T a step in the right direction simply because it isn't perfect yet? Err.. Ok I agree. They should just give up and not try to stop anything at all.

Also, why do you say VAC is a joke? Because it isn't working with CS Source?

Firstly, open your mind to something beyond CS. CS has the most hackers by number, but TFC has the highest percentage of players being hackers. I quoted my friend, MeestarK, (Mr_K) who was banned for using Syntex's cheat in a match. 70% of TFC players are illigetimate in some way, shape, or form.
Under the cloud of "illegitimate" I put:
-Any CS hack features plus Trueaim, Autodet, anticoncs
-bhop.dll
-Clear/Translucent custom explosion sprites
-Console command abusers (sup ex_interp, timerefresh)
-I'm forgetting several others.

Anyway, VAC is a joke because if you're smart enough to NOT use a client-side hook and you're smart enough to rename a file to opengl32.dll then you can cheat all you like. Also, all of these TFC hacks have been floating around the entire community for at LEAST 5 months now and VAC hasn't bothered to detect any of them. Yeah, I'd say it works.

Basically, VAC sucks because it doesn't do its job. Something with barely a 2% sucess rate is way too inneffective for me.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

Good. If you are pirating their games you deserve it. I don't see how this is a "problem".

Cracking is not the same thing as pirating. I paid money for HL2. $60 to be specific. I should have the right to do anything I want to the game without Valve being able to turn my game off. This includes cracking it or reselling it.

 

[NicColt]

put it this way I won't be buying TFC2 anytime soon.... because of steam. It's time to boycot valve and vote with your dollars.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

Good. If you are pirating their games you deserve it. I don't see how this is a "problem".

So you think it's perfectly fine for Valve to disable all of your legally owned games if you crack or hack one of them?

If so, do you support Valve being able to disable your entire operating system, if, say, they found an illegal copy of one of their games on it?

If not, why not?

I noticed the Steam fanbots totally ignored a point I made: there is simply no excuse for Valve to not have made their content-pushing servers separate from their authentication servers. Because if you think it's okay for me to not be able to play Half-Life 2 single-player because Valve just released an update for Counterstrike: Source because of overloaded Steam servers, you are a frigging moron. Period.

The Steam fanbots also ignore the fact that Steam has done very little to curb piracy. Steam only makes it more difficult for the end-user. Blaming the end-user for any problems automatically is stupid and wrong.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

Good. If you are pirating their games you deserve it. I don't see how this is a "problem".

Cracking is not the same thing as pirating. I paid money for HL2. $60 to be specific. I should have the right to do anything I want to the game without Valve being able to turn my game off. This includes cracking it or reselling it.

You agreed to their terms of service when you opened and installed the game. Sorry about your luck. Try reading next time.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Injury
You agreed to their terms of service when you opened and installed the game. Sorry about your luck. Try reading next time.

I've never seen anyone miss a point so badly like that. Wow.

(Okay, I have, and I'm just being rhetorical, but still, this is downright stupid.)

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

Good. If you are pirating their games you deserve it. I don't see how this is a "problem".

So you think it's perfectly fine for Valve to disable all of your legally owned games if you crack or hack one of them?

If so, do you support Valve being able to disable your entire operating system, if, say, they found an illegal copy of one of their games on it?

If not, why not?

I noticed the Steam fanbots totally ignored a point I made: there is simply no excuse for Valve to not have made their content-pushing servers separate from their authentication servers. Because if you think it's okay for me to not be able to play Half-Life 2 single-player because Valve just released an update for Counterstrike: Source because of overloaded Steam servers, you are a frigging moron. Period.

The Steam fanbots also ignore the fact that Steam has done very little to curb piracy. Steam only makes it more difficult for the end-user. Blaming the end-user for any problems automatically is stupid and wrong.

If that isn't slippery-slope I don't know what is. You think that Valve is going to disable your operating system because they found an illegal copy of their game? Go grab your tin foil beanie, bub. If you agreed to valve's terms of service and license agreement, then you really have no say in what they shut off. If you choose to pirate the game and it blows up in your face, go look elsewhere for your pity, because you aren't getting any from me.

There has been, since December, a way to run steam in "offline mode" so that you can play single player without having to connect to the internet. At the beginning of the year my internet service was down for 3 days straight and I played HL2 single player with no problems.

Because of steam, valve anti-piracy has already banned a number of accounts... and I haven't even noticed it checking. People who use stolen accounts, pay with stolen CCs, and pirate the game deserve to be banned. I have no complaint about the authentication processes because I haven't been banned for using my perfectly legal copy and I haven't been inconvienced by it.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury
If that isn't slippery-slope I don't know what is. You think that Valve is going to disable your operating system because they found an illegal copy of their game? Go grab your tin foil beanie, bub. If you agreed to valve's terms of service and license agreement, then you really have no say in what they shut off. If you choose to pirate the game and it blows up in your face, go look elsewhere for your pity, because you aren't getting any from me.

There has been, since December, a way to run steam in "offline mode" so that you can play single player without having to connect to the internet. At the beginning of the year my internet service was down for 3 days straight and I played HL2 single player with no problems.

Because of steam, valve anti-piracy has already banned a number of accounts... and I haven't even noticed it checking. People who use stolen accounts, pay with stolen CCs, and pirate the game deserve to be banned. I have no complaint about the authentication processes because I haven't been banned for using my perfectly legal copy and I haven't been inconvienced by it.

When all else fails, fall back onto the "well you agreed to it" argument. You are really stretching for something now. So are you telling me that all companies should have the right to take back what they sell you (and not return your money) just because it is in the EULA? You don't think there might be some legal ramifications to this?

Steam deleted all accounts using a specific key they was given to the press. Not only that, but even if the account had a legit, purchased, and legal copy of HL2 attached to it (or any other legally purchased game), it was still banned. This key also provided the benefit of not needing a CD in the drive which is why quite a few people used it. So now, people who legitimately purchased HL2 are getting screwed out of it because they tried to bypass the CD requirement (which was later removed). That's not screwing over your customers?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
However, what's worse than all of this is that Valve has made a system where they can totally disable your purchased game. They make no disctinction between purchases. Try to crack HL2, all your other previous purchases on that account go down the drain along with HL2. Steam is simply DRM for games.

Good. If you are pirating their games you deserve it. I don't see how this is a "problem".

Cracking is not the same thing as pirating. I paid money for HL2. $60 to be specific. I should have the right to do anything I want to the game without Valve being able to turn my game off. This includes cracking it or reselling it.

You agreed to their terms of service when you opened and installed the game. Sorry about your luck. Try reading next time.

i find it hard to believe that ANYONE (who is not a Valve employee) actually posts this crap.

IF i knew BEFOREhand what a POS Steam is, i would NOT have piurchased HL2 . . . and i will NOT buy ANOTHER one of their games UNTIL their FIX their problems with Steam.

There are TOO MANY other GREAT games to play withOUT putting up with the FRUSTRATION that is Steam.


:roll:

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Injury
If that isn't slippery-slope I don't know what is. You think that Valve is going to disable your operating system because they found an illegal copy of their game? Go grab your tin foil beanie, bub. If you agreed to valve's terms of service and license agreement, then you really have no say in what they shut off. If you choose to pirate the game and it blows up in your face, go look elsewhere for your pity, because you aren't getting any from me.

There has been, since December, a way to run steam in "offline mode" so that you can play single player without having to connect to the internet. At the beginning of the year my internet service was down for 3 days straight and I played HL2 single player with no problems.

Because of steam, valve anti-piracy has already banned a number of accounts... and I haven't even noticed it checking. People who use stolen accounts, pay with stolen CCs, and pirate the game deserve to be banned. I have no complaint about the authentication processes because I haven't been banned for using my perfectly legal copy and I haven't been inconvienced by it.

When all else fails, fall back onto the "well you agreed to it" argument. You are really stretching for something now. So are you telling me that all companies should have the right to take back what they sell you (and not return your money) just because it is in the EULA? You don't think there might be some legal ramifications to this?

Steam deleted all accounts using a specific key they was given to the press. Not only that, but even if the account had a legit, purchased, and legal copy of HL2 attached to it (or any other legally purchased game), it was still banned. This key also provided the benefit of not needing a CD in the drive which is why quite a few people used it. So now, people who legitimately purchased HL2 are getting screwed out of it because they tried to bypass the CD requirement (which was later removed). That's not screwing over your customers?

Is it really THAT painful to have the CD in the drive that they just HAD to go use a CD key that didn't belong to them? How many of those people do you truthfully think were part of the press? Not many. Were you part of the press? Probably not. Does that give you justification to complain about this? Not at all. It's ridiculous for you try and justify calling steam crap because it does what many, many, other games require, especially when it is something as simple as having a CD in the drive when playing the game.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: Injury
You agreed to their terms of service when you opened and installed the game. Sorry about your luck. Try reading next time.

I've never seen anyone miss a point so badly like that. Wow.

(Okay, I have, and I'm just being rhetorical, but still, this is downright stupid.)

The problem was that you didn't HAVE a point that wasn't a complete and total logical falicy, like 99% of the complaints about steam.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i find it hard to believe that ANYONE (who is not a Valve employee) actually posts this crap.

IF i knew BEFOREhand what a POS Steam is, i would NOT have piurchased HL2 . . . and i will NOT buy ANOTHER one of their games UNTIL their FIX their problems with Steam.

There are TOO MANY other GREAT games to play withOUT putting up with the FRUSTRATION that is Steam.


:roll:

Again I fail TO SEE how steam IS A pos because of ALL THE apparent "PROBLEMS" YOU see to HAVE with it.

the CAPITALIZATION of random WORDS helps to MAKE POINTS, apparently.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
When all else fails, fall back onto the "well you agreed to it" argument. You are really stretching for something now. So are you telling me that all companies should have the right to take back what they sell you (and not return your money) just because it is in the EULA? You don't think there might be some legal ramifications to this?

Steam deleted all accounts using a specific key they was given to the press. Not only that, but even if the account had a legit, purchased, and legal copy of HL2 attached to it (or any other legally purchased game), it was still banned. This key also provided the benefit of not needing a CD in the drive which is why quite a few people used it. So now, people who legitimately purchased HL2 are getting screwed out of it because they tried to bypass the CD requirement (which was later removed). That's not screwing over your customers?

Is it really THAT painful to have the CD in the drive that they just HAD to go use a CD key that didn't belong to them? How many of those people do you truthfully think were part of the press? Not many. Were you part of the press? Probably not. Does that give you justification to complain about this? Not at all. It's ridiculous for you try and justify calling steam crap because it does what many, many, other games require, especially when it is something as simple as having a CD in the drive when playing the game.

Should someone be able to take your purchased game away. No. EA needs to do this EXACT same thing. No wait, they need to do it with with Madden/ESPN 2005. Now THAT would make people start screaming about it. Nice to know though that you have absolutely no problem with companies taking your money.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: obsidian
When all else fails, fall back onto the "well you agreed to it" argument. You are really stretching for something now. So are you telling me that all companies should have the right to take back what they sell you (and not return your money) just because it is in the EULA? You don't think there might be some legal ramifications to this?

Steam deleted all accounts using a specific key they was given to the press. Not only that, but even if the account had a legit, purchased, and legal copy of HL2 attached to it (or any other legally purchased game), it was still banned. This key also provided the benefit of not needing a CD in the drive which is why quite a few people used it. So now, people who legitimately purchased HL2 are getting screwed out of it because they tried to bypass the CD requirement (which was later removed). That's not screwing over your customers?

Is it really THAT painful to have the CD in the drive that they just HAD to go use a CD key that didn't belong to them? How many of those people do you truthfully think were part of the press? Not many. Were you part of the press? Probably not. Does that give you justification to complain about this? Not at all. It's ridiculous for you try and justify calling steam crap because it does what many, many, other games require, especially when it is something as simple as having a CD in the drive when playing the game.

Should someone be able to take your purchased game away. No. EA needs to do this EXACT same thing. No wait, they need to do with with Madden/ESPN 2005. Now THAT would make people start screaming about it. Nice to know though that you have absolutely no problem with companies taking your money.

I haven't done anything to warrant having my license revoked, thus I have no complaints about it. You're pretty much just trailing off now.