i hate steam

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: apoppin
i find it hard to believe that ANYONE (who is not a Valve employee) actually posts this crap.

IF i knew BEFOREhand what a POS Steam is, i would NOT have piurchased HL2 . . . and i will NOT buy ANOTHER one of their games UNTIL their FIX their problems with Steam.

There are TOO MANY other GREAT games to play withOUT putting up with the FRUSTRATION that is Steam.


:roll:

Again I fail TO SEE how steam IS A pos because of ALL THE apparent "PROBLEMS" YOU see to HAVE with it.

the CAPITALIZATION of random WORDS helps to MAKE POINTS, apparently.

So far I gave you two problems with it. My personal problem and the problem with legit games being banned. If you would like to see more go check out the tech support forums on steam's site. They are full of people with different problems and no responses from a single valve employee despite your insistance there is.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Injury
I haven't done anything to warrant having my license revoked, thus I have no complaints about it. You're pretty much just trailing off now.

By that argument, the only people who should ever argue against capital punishment are those on death row. I know it is hard to understand, but people occasionally have beliefs about things that may not have a direct impact on them.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: apoppin
i find it hard to believe that ANYONE (who is not a Valve employee) actually posts this crap.

IF i knew BEFOREhand what a POS Steam is, i would NOT have piurchased HL2 . . . and i will NOT buy ANOTHER one of their games UNTIL their FIX their problems with Steam.

There are TOO MANY other GREAT games to play withOUT putting up with the FRUSTRATION that is Steam.


:roll:

Again I fail TO SEE how steam IS A pos because of ALL THE apparent "PROBLEMS" YOU see to HAVE with it.

The failure is ALL yours.
:roll:

 

[dgevert]

So Injury, you tell me: why the hell is it EVER acceptable that I would not be allowed to play Half-Life 2 single player because they released a new update for Counterstrike: Source?

What if I don't want to use offline mode? What if I *do* want to receive content updates from Valve as they are released, but still want to play my single player games in the meantime?

Why are you so frigging stupid that you can't see the flaw inherent in putting the authentication services and content delivery services on the same frigging server? How braindead can you possibly be?

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Injury
If that isn't slippery-slope I don't know what is. You think that Valve is going to disable your operating system because they found an illegal copy of their game? Go grab your tin foil beanie, bub. If you agreed to valve's terms of service and license agreement, then you really have no say in what they shut off. If you choose to pirate the game and it blows up in your face, go look elsewhere for your pity, because you aren't getting any from me.

Need to read what I wrote. That isn't what I asked, genius. I asked, do you think it would be okay (hypothetically) for Valve to disable your OS if they found an illegal copy of their game on your computer? If not, why not?

There has been, since December, a way to run steam in "offline mode" so that you can play single player without having to connect to the internet. At the beginning of the year my internet service was down for 3 days straight and I played HL2 single player with no problems.

And that's supposed to be a valid excuse for Valve's poor decision to put their authentication service and file delivery service on the same servers?

Because of steam, valve anti-piracy has already banned a number of accounts... and I haven't even noticed it checking. People who use stolen accounts, pay with stolen CCs, and pirate the game deserve to be banned. I have no complaint about the authentication processes because I haven't been banned for using my perfectly legal copy and I haven't been inconvienced by it.

What about the *legal* users who have been banned, huh? What about the fact that the pirates who get banned just create new accounts, generate new keys, and are right back on?

What about the fact that the ONLY ones TRULY inconvenienced by the anti-piracy measures are the legal, legitimate users?

 

[BespinReactorShaft]

/wonders exactly how many topics on this forum so far, have both "steam" and "hate" in the title...

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: dgevert
So Injury, you tell me: why the hell is it EVER acceptable that I would not be allowed to play Half-Life 2 single player because they released a new update for Counterstrike: Source?

What if I don't want to use offline mode? What if I *do* want to receive content updates from Valve as they are released, but still want to play my single player games in the meantime?

Why are you so frigging stupid that you can't see the flaw inherent in putting the authentication services and content delivery services on the same frigging server? How braindead can you possibly be?

Individual games don't update until you go to play them in specific... which if there is an update for the game you'd have to get anyway otherwise people would be playing "different" games. How exactly is it safe for you to be updating games while you are playing them? And you're calling ME stupid?? Once again I've NEVER had a slowdown in any service, so I fail to see how it's that big of a problem that you are getting so bent out of shape over it, and I fail to see why steam is such a POS based solely on this one reason you are giving.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: dgevert
Need to read what I wrote. That isn't what I asked, genius. I asked, do you think it would be okay (hypothetically) for Valve to disable your OS if they found an illegal copy of their game on your computer? If not, why not?

And that's supposed to be a valid excuse for Valve's poor decision to put their authentication service and file delivery service on the same servers?

What about the *legal* users who have been banned, huh? What about the fact that the pirates who get banned just create new accounts, generate new keys, and are right back on?

What about the fact that the ONLY ones TRULY inconvenienced by the anti-piracy measures are the legal, legitimate users?

I read exactly what you wrote and replied to exactly what you wrote. There is nothing in Valve's license agreement about disabling your OS or any software unrelated to their games, nor would it be acceptable for them to mess with any files for games they didn't publish. Assuming that for some reason they will is a logical falicy called "slippery-slope". If you don't know what that is, I suggest you google it and find out before you use this ridiculous argument anymore.

Once again, I have never been inconvienced by having these two servers being the same. Read my above post for more information about why your argument sucks.

Find some users who have been banned for using the game in an acceptablemanner and within their legal usage for me. Go ahead, find them and have them post here. Oh... that's right... you won't find them. Valve only bans people based on undeniable evidence... using a stolen CD key, using a CD key that is "out of range" and other things which are pretty easy to detect.


I'm done arguing with you. You go right ahead and hate steam as much as you want, I'll be busy playing HL2 and CS:S for me to give a crap. It seems to me like you just want to hate steam because you are an elitist jackass who thinks he can do everything so much better. I'm happy to support a company that is doing a good job of making updating a game easier, finding what servers my friends are on easier, and making sure that the prices of their games don't have to sky rocket because some dick thinks he shouldn't have to pay for it. One thing is for sure, I won't be sitting around waiting for updates or getting banned.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: dgevert
So Injury, you tell me: why the hell is it EVER acceptable that I would not be allowed to play Half-Life 2 single player because they released a new update for Counterstrike: Source?

What if I don't want to use offline mode? What if I *do* want to receive content updates from Valve as they are released, but still want to play my single player games in the meantime?

Why are you so frigging stupid that you can't see the flaw inherent in putting the authentication services and content delivery services on the same frigging server? How braindead can you possibly be?

Individual games don't update until you go to play them in specific... which if there is an update for the game you'd have to get anyway otherwise people would be playing "different" games. How exactly is it safe for you to be updating games while you are playing them? And you're calling ME stupid?? Once again I've NEVER had a slowdown in any service, so I fail to see how it's that big of a problem that you are getting so bent out of shape over it, and I fail to see why steam is such a POS based solely on this one reason you are giving.

again . . . you fail to see.

The problem is yours. Steam's failure is well-documented on these (and many other) forums.

just 'cause you never had a problem with Steam does not mean the rest of us are satisfied. Nor does your mindless adoration of Valve do much to support your "defense" of them.

:roll:

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Injury
Individual games don't update until you go to play them in specific... which if there is an update for the game you'd have to get anyway otherwise people would be playing "different" games. How exactly is it safe for you to be updating games while you are playing them? And you're calling ME stupid?? Once again I've NEVER had a slowdown in any service, so I fail to see how it's that big of a problem that you are getting so bent out of shape over it, and I fail to see why steam is such a POS based solely on this one reason you are giving.

Hey, earth to genius...if an update is available for Counterstrike: Source, it OVERLOADS Valve's servers so that no one can be authenticated for Half-Life 2.

You're a moron.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Injury
I read exactly what you wrote and replied to exactly what you wrote. There is nothing in Valve's license agreement about disabling your OS or any software unrelated to their games, nor would it be acceptable for them to mess with any files for games they didn't publish. Assuming that for some reason they will is a logical falicy called "slippery-slope". If you don't know what that is, I suggest you google it and find out before you use this ridiculous argument anymore.

I know exactly what logical fallacy it is and isn't, genius. So why is it frigging acceptable for Valve to disable games you legally own if they detect that one game you have is not legal, genius?

Once again, I have never been inconvienced by having these two servers being the same. Read my above post for more information about why your argument sucks.

Oh yes, because you represent every player out there, don't you, genius?

Find some users who have been banned for using the game in an acceptablemanner and within their legal usage for me. Go ahead, find them and have them post here. Oh... that's right... you won't find them. Valve only bans people based on undeniable evidence... using a stolen CD key, using a CD key that is "out of range" and other things which are pretty easy to detect.

Uh, I personally know of at least several people who have been burned in this manner. What do you want me to do, go up to them and ask them to waste their time arguing with a moron like you who will undoubtedly just insist they're lying anyway?

I'm done arguing with you. You go right ahead and hate steam as much as you want, I'll be busy playing HL2 and CS:S for me to give a crap. It seems to me like you just want to hate steam because you are an elitist jackass who thinks he can do everything so much better. I'm happy to support a company that is doing a good job of making updating a game easier, finding what servers my friends are on easier, and making sure that the prices of their games don't have to sky rocket because some dick thinks he shouldn't have to pay for it. One thing is for sure, I won't be sitting around waiting for updates or getting banned.

You have friends?

Now THAT is an exceptional claim. I'm going to need to see proof of that one.

 

[imported_obsidian]

No need to turn this into a flame fest. There is absolutely no way you are going to turn injury from his blind adoration to Valve and Steam. He is already in the mentality of "it doesn't affect me so I don't care," so no amount of telling him what has happened to you or others will ever matter to him. It's like saying I don't care if people are racist so long as its not against me. But hey, it's his choice if he wants to live that way.

Steam is there to take control away from the consumer and give it to the developer. There are plenty of ways to implement a software update system without having to log on and authenticate your copy each time. Hell, windows has a better system built into the OS. Even offline mode obviously does because those who use offline mode were still shutout when some of the auth servers went down (assuming they had an internet connection). People have also said numerous times that offline mode doesn't always work, but that won't change injury's mind either as per the above reason.

 

[PsharkJF]

Originally posted by: NicColt
put it this way I won't be buying TFC2 anytime soon.... because of steam. It's time to boycot valve and vote with your dollars.

http://www.fortress-forever.com
Save your bucks.

I also ask you CS players to have a look at that ^.

 

[Fatdog]

Sorry if this is a repost, but it looks like there's issues starting to come up about the legality of the EULA for HL-2. I wondered when this was going to comeup. Nothing mentioned on the box about what you really need to do to get the game running.

Here's an article from the Inquirer

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Fatdog
Sorry if this is a repost, but it looks like there's issues starting to come up about the legality of the EULA for HL-2. I wondered when this was going to comeup. Nothing mentioned on the box about what you really need to do to get the game running.

Here's an article from the Inquirer

Great! hopefully someone will sue the turds at Valve/Steam.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Fatdog
Sorry if this is a repost, but it looks like there's issues starting to come up about the legality of the EULA for HL-2. I wondered when this was going to comeup. Nothing mentioned on the box about what you really need to do to get the game running.

Here's an article from the Inquirer

Great! hopefully someone will sue the turds at Valve/Steam.

Yes, hopefully all the people that tried to steal the game using stolen credit cards will sue Valve into the ground. Then we will be -1 on the good developer side of video games. That woud be so fvcking awesome. Then you will be stuck with Id Software games, so you better start liking Doom3 HAHAHA.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Fatdog
Sorry if this is a repost, but it looks like there's issues starting to come up about the legality of the EULA for HL-2. I wondered when this was going to comeup. Nothing mentioned on the box about what you really need to do to get the game running.

Here's an article from the Inquirer

Great! hopefully someone will sue the turds at Valve/Steam.

Yes, hopefully all the people that tried to steal the game using stolen credit cards will sue Valve into the ground. Then we will be -1 on the good developer side of video games. That woud be so fvcking awesome. Then you will be stuck with Id Software games, so you better start liking Doom3 HAHAHA.

If id and valve both went out of business we's still have great game developers . . .. it aint the 70's .
:roll:

 

[Tom]

Bought Half Life 2 this week, with any luck I'll be able to play it in 8 weeks..

Turns out somebody already used the CD key, on my supposedly new retail copy, and the procedure to fix this problem takes up to 8 weeks.

I am not impressed.