I hate the Nuggets:(

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
They're going after Olowokandi, Miller and Maggette. That's not the ENTIRE Clippers team. Plus, Maggette is a pretty good player. Miller is okay and since the Nuggets need a PG, they're going after one that is available. I hate Olowokandi and I hope he leaves L.A. Give the starting job to Kaman, even though he's a rookie.

Maggette accepted an offer from the Jazz.

Unfortunately he's restricted so we'll see if it goes through.

amish

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: CPA
CrazyDe1 hang in there, from one Nugs fan to another. I almost agree with your first analysis about becoming the Clips of the Rocky Mountains, but I don't think you can compare the two. The Clips organization is abysmal and Miller suffered under a system that did not work to his strengths. In fact, on the Denver Post forums, someone had posted that all of the Clips assists per average had declined from the year before they were on the Clips to the first year being with the Clips. It has something to do with just being a Clipper.

I like the move of Miller before Arenas, heck 7M is better than dishing out 9M at this time (you are wrong in your prior post, Arenas was looking for 9M in 1st year, Miller is getting 7M in 1st year). We need someone with same experience and leadership, and I think Miller has that head and shoulders above Arenas. Plus, Kiki has time and time stated that we wanted players with class coming to this team and Arenas, at times, has shown to be without discretion.

I'm not all together happy with our persuit of Kandi, but what can you do when Camby can't be trusted to last even half a season. We could always hold onto the cash until next season and pick up Garnett or someone big, but I think Kiki is looking to make a push to the playoffs this season, so we need a precense in the middle.

I'm excited about this season only for the fact that Melo is on the team. I may even decide to buy the Directv NBA package just so I can watch him.

Is Miller's deal worth 7M in the first year? 6 years for 55M looks a lot like almost 9M a year to me. But I'm not taking into account that he might be getting less the first year. The thing I like about Arenas is he knows how to win and take over a game. Miller will never be the star but somehow is making a star's salary. I will agree with the class thing. He's got a lot of class but there's something about getting an up and coming player whos going to show improvement. Andre Miller will come in and score 15 a game and have 7 or 8 assists a game. Consistent, but not really someone you're going to be excited about watching and saying to yourself, give him a few years, he'll be awesome. It's going to be same old mediocre consistent Miller eating up 9M a year out of our salary cap. I hope he proves me wrong because I'd really like to go to a few Nuggets games next year, but as it is right now, we've already decided to spend all our money on Avs games

Hell, I wouldn't have minded Magette. There's no one better available out there and he fills a perfect shooting guard role. That and he scored 16.5 last year in like 30 minutes a game. Each year he gets more minutes, each year he gets better. Our only hope is that Melo is a superstar in the making.

Yeah, I was never too high on Kandi but Nene did pretty well at center. He's not a true center, but I know Anthony can rebound and I know that if you brought in an Elton Brand instead he could rebound. Olowokandi is worthless, he has no heart, and he has underachieved his whole career. He's a bust.

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Andre Miller before last season was quite good.

14 points a game??? That's mediocre in my book. He's like any other average point guard in the league. Nothing special. Gilbert Arenas, 18 points a game, still improving and still young. Andre Miller who is someone who is consistent who won't do anything really bad or good...I don't want that on my team.

Hell, I bet they bring in Hollis Price at shooting guard and he does better than Magette...

14 points a game would be an all star on Denver

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

CrazyDe1 - ya gotta admit Kiki Vandeweighe is infinitely better than Bernie Bickerstaff. That guy was a fvcking moron if there ever was one.

 

[mztykal]

Well you guys are lucky. I don't have a team, I have a favorite player. Been following his career since his Cal day's. And almost every other season I have to buy a new jersey because he decides he wants to be a new team...

Jason Kidd should just stick onto New Jersey, and hope for the best next season, either that or guarantee sign with the Spurs, 'cus the Lakers are stacking their roster.

 

[OutHouse]

We have a NBA team?

 

[Ranger X]

If the Nuggets get Miller, don't expect them to excel in the playoffs. He has a terrible season with the Clippers and now he's getting rewarded? I like the idea of "pay per performance". If you sucked the previous year (excluding from injury), you take a pay-cut.

 

[Flatline]

Come on, very few players DON'T suck when they're playing for the Clippers.

 

[CrazyDe1]

14 points a game would be an all star on Denver

heh, yeah, but I don't want a star on Denver, I want an NBA star=P

CrazyDe1 - ya gotta admit Kiki Vandeweighe is infinitely better than Bernie Bickerstaff. That guy was a fvcking moron if there ever was one.

Yeah, he does some good things like open tryouts and all that crap. I seriously believe there's some players who aren't in the NBA who could compete on the level. Maybe some guys who declared for the draft out of high school but weren't drafted, you could check them out and develop them. Just some of the things he does makes me wanna go jump off buildings...specifically player decisions.

I also think the coaching selection was great. Hell, I don't care what you say, but any coach who can get a bunch of scrubs to play hard all season with that little talent deserves some credit.

Bickerstaff was a moron though...

If the Nuggets get Miller, don't expect them to excel in the playoffs. He has a terrible season with the Clippers and now he's getting rewarded? I like the idea of "pay per performance". If you sucked the previous year (excluding from injury), you take a pay-cut.

Exactly. Sure, you can say but he was playing for the Clippers. If you can't be a good player on a bad team then how are you going to take a bad team and make it better? I would argue that you remove Andre Miller from the Clippers and they win the same amount of games they did last season. They're paying him huge amounts of money based on what he did the year before. Maybe I'm an idiot but I think you should go with players who show improvement continually. If you're going to go with a player like Miller don't offer him friggin 9 million a year. Average players don't deserve star player salaries.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
If the Nuggets get Miller, don't expect them to excel in the playoffs. He has a terrible season with the Clippers and now he's getting rewarded? I like the idea of "pay per performance". If you sucked the previous year (excluding from injury), you take a pay-cut.

kinda like bibbys contract huh? smooth............

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Exactly. Sure, you can say but he was playing for the Clippers. If you can't be a good player on a bad team then how are you going to take a bad team and make it better? I would argue that you remove Andre Miller from the Clippers and they win the same amount of games they did last season. They're paying him huge amounts of money based on what he did the year before. Maybe I'm an idiot but I think you should go with players who show improvement continually. If you're going to go with a player like Miller don't offer him friggin 9 million a year. Average players don't deserve star player salaries.

who on the clippers was great last year? you have to many good players that all want minutes. when these guys finally get on the court, they're thinking shoot first, they don't really care about the team game. that and you've got this stupid dolt coaching the team, i don't even think he's qualified to coach high school basketball.

i think Miller had a pretty good year considering there were so many talented players on the clippers, and every one of them was fighting for minutes. i don't think you should be worrying about anything, Miller can only help your team.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: masterxfob

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Exactly. Sure, you can say but he was playing for the Clippers. If you can't be a good player on a bad team then how are you going to take a bad team and make it better? I would argue that you remove Andre Miller from the Clippers and they win the same amount of games they did last season. They're paying him huge amounts of money based on what he did the year before. Maybe I'm an idiot but I think you should go with players who show improvement continually. If you're going to go with a player like Miller don't offer him friggin 9 million a year. Average players don't deserve star player salaries.

who on the clippers was great last year? you have to many good players that all want minutes. when these guys finally get on the court, they're thinking shoot first, they don't really care about the team game. that and you've got this stupid dolt coaching the team, i don't even think he's qualified to coach high school basketball.

i think Miller had a pretty good year considering there were so many talented players on the clippers, and every one of them was fighting for minutes. i don't think you should be worrying about anything, Miller can only help your team.

Elton Brand was pretty damn good last year. You have a bunch of underachievers in contract years all wanting to prove they're good on the Clippers. I think Miller had an alright year, but 9 million a year for a guy who averages 14 points a game? I agree, Miller can only help my team, but I'm just pissed that Arenas is out there and they're not going after him. Their excuse was "his salary demands are too high." Well, if Arenas demands 9M and that's too high why the hell would you go out and pay someone who's worse 9M??

The way I see it, I don't care if they improve. The goal of any organization is to win championships. Any player who you don't see yourself winning a championship with shouldn't be signed or gone after. Miller is never going to lead his team to a championship. He won't ever step up and score when he is needed. All he is is a player who will improve your team. Sign players to win championships. Mark Cuban has it right, no matter how much I hate the Lakers, they have it right. You don't see the Lakers going out when they need a point guard and thinking, oh, lets get Andre Miller!! I just don't see Miller doing anything special for us ever. I could picture Arenas doing it. Hell, I can even picture Magette and Lamar Odom doing something alright, just not Miller or Olowokandi...

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: masterxfob
[who on the clippers was great last year? you have to many good players that all want minutes. when these guys finally get on the court, they're thinking shoot first, they don't really care about the team game.

Elton Brand rocks. I'm sorry that you apparently don't know his game...(or MISTAKENLY overlooked him )

 

[samurai20]

Nuggets are a joke, signing Andre Miller to a $55 million dollar contract will be the biggest bust this year. How do you expect to get better if you spend all your money on Clipper players. Nene will be your only decent player, Melo is going to take a few years to develop, Miller and Magette are Clippers who don't know how to win. Arenas isn't dumb enough to come to Denver.
I forsee another decade of losing seasons in Denver.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: masterxfob
[who on the clippers was great last year? you have to many good players that all want minutes. when these guys finally get on the court, they're thinking shoot first, they don't really care about the team game.

Elton Brand rocks. I'm sorry that you apparently don't know his game...(or MISTAKENLY overlooked him )

i love Brand, he's a workhorse, kinda like me

Brand had a good year, but he did not reach his full potential on that horribly coached team. i just feel that he's capable of getting much better numbers in a well coached and controlled team.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: samurai20
Nuggets are a joke, signing Andre Miller to a $55 million dollar contract will be the biggest bust this year. How do you expect to get better if you spend all your money on Clipper players. Nene will be your only decent player, Melo is going to take a few years to develop, Miller and Magette are Clippers who don't know how to win. Arenas isn't dumb enough to come to Denver.
I forsee another decade of losing seasons in Denver.

you're an idiot, any team is better than last years nuggets. miller and magette know more about winning, maybe not by much, than anyone else on the nuggets team.

i don't understand where all you haters are coming from. there have been quite a few good players to come from the clipper, so why are you all so pesimistic?

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: samurai20
Nuggets are a joke, signing Andre Miller to a $55 million dollar contract will be the biggest bust this year. How do you expect to get better if you spend all your money on Clipper players. Nene will be your only decent player, Melo is going to take a few years to develop, Miller and Magette are Clippers who don't know how to win. Arenas isn't dumb enough to come to Denver.
I forsee another decade of losing seasons in Denver.

Sigh...same.

The only way we're ever going to be good is if Carmelo somehow does something really really special..which I think he might. That would convince someone actually good to come here. But even if Melo did get good we're not going to have any salary cap room because we signed Miller to such a ridiculous contract=/

So, in effect, Anthony will sign somewhere else and we'll lose him for nothing, further having a crappy team for years and years to come...

 

[LAUST]

Face it, they are a Hockey and Football town

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: LAUST
Face it, Denver is a Hockey and Football town

the Rox are a good team it's just our division is friggin TOUGH!!

The Nuggets though... don't we have the record for worst seasons ever in NBA history?

Edit: LMAO I put in this in google "worst season record NBA" guess who came up in the first entry I say we head down to Dennison park and recruit from there

Yeah, hopefully the broncos will be good this year because I'd much rather have a good football team than a good basketball team I'm not so sure about Plummer though...hopefully he'll be good.
It's actually fun to hit a few Rockies games in the rockpile this year though.

 

[virtuamike]

Couple of years ago, an NBA team pissed off its fans by going with a dull boring yet consistent PG instead of bringing back their flashy PG, the one with all the potential. 2 years later, I'd still take Bibby over Williams, because productivity not flash wins games.

If you're a true basketball fan, you'll realize the Nuggets made the right choice. There's a reason that Boykins got so much 4th quarter playing time last season (think Williams/Jackson in Sac during their 1st playoff run). The Nuggets, believe it or not, have a damn good team on their hands and I wouldn't be surprised to see them as high as #6 in the West. I say it's gonna be Lakers, Kings, Mavs, Spurs, TWolves, Nuggets, Warriors, and Rockets, with Suns and Blazers as outside contenders.

And yes, I stuck the Warriors in there cuz I gotta support my team.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Couple of years ago, an NBA team pissed off its fans by going with a dull boring yet consistent PG instead of bringing back their flashy PG, the one with all the potential. 2 years later, I'd still take Bibby over Williams, because productivity not flash wins games.

If you're a true basketball fan, you'll realize the Nuggets made the right choice. There's a reason that Boykins got so much 4th quarter playing time last season (think Williams/Jackson in Sac during their 1st playoff run). The Nuggets, believe it or not, have a damn good team on their hands and I wouldn't be surprised to see them as high as #6 in the West. I say it's gonna be Lakers, Kings, Mavs, Spurs, TWolves, Nuggets, Warriors, and Rockets, with Suns and Blazers as outside contenders.

And yes, I stuck the Warriors in there cuz I gotta support my team.

I don't think the Nuggets are doing better than the Rockets, Suns or Blazers. Those are all up and coming teams except maybe the Blazers. The thing was Jason Williams wasn't ever very good in my opinion. The Kings had their stars, all they needed was someone who was consistent and decent to fill the role. I don't mean I want a player all that flashy...I just want a player who can hit a game winning shot who can create. Bibby showed he could do that in the playoffs last year. I still think the kings gave him way more than he was worth because again, Mike Bibby is a good supporting player but not worth 80 million over 7 years. In the playoffs this year when Bibby was on the bench in crunch time you probably had a lot of Kings fans thinking they overpayed the guy because they gave him a star salary when he's not a star. That being said, he's a huge upgarde on Jason Williams because you can't even consider him a point guard, hes just a flashy player.

You're a Golden State fan, what do you think of Arenas? I think hes just as good as Steve Francis next year. I see him scoring low 20's a game and dishing out 8 assists a game. I'd sure as hell take a Stevey Franchise over frigging Andre Miller.

 

[Turkey22]

Andre Miller is a much better pg that arenas but arenas may be a better scorer, saying that he is average or not that good is just plain retarded. There are other stats besides points such as assists, steals, etc. When Arenas gets anywhere near the top10 in the league in assists you can start talking, miller led the league 2 years ago.

 

[virtuamike]

Arenas is a scorer. His game is a lot like Jason Terry's (always wondered why the Warriors took Mookie over Terry). Arenas' 2 liabilities are that he's weak on defense and he's not a great decision maker, hence the comparisons to Jason Williams earlier. If the Warriors didn't play Boykins in the 4th quarter, we would've lost at least 10 more games last season (majority of the games were close and decided late).

Arenas needs work on consistency. No comparison to Francis. Besides, Warrior stats are inflated because all their points come from taking a hell of a lot of shots at the basket, not because anyone created or made a good pass. Points aren't everything. Big difference in Sac's offense vs Warriors' offense. Then again, he's by far the best PG the Warriors have had since Hardaway. Still, I was hoping the Areans would leave so the Warriors could steal Miller, can't imagine how much the Warriors' game would've improved if they had a PG that thought pass over shoot running the show.

 

[LAUST]

Nooooooooo

 

[Nitemare]

Could be worse...At least Shinn and Woolridge don't own your team. Draft alot of good young people then when they get good and want more money...trade em and get some cheap rookies.

Repeat every other year until you alienate all your fans and then try to sell your team for a couple of years to other fresh meat...(I mean't fans) Fire your good coaches and then scramble to find someone that is half the coach of the one you just fired.


I pity New Orleans, I really do.