I hate the Nuggets:(

[CrazyDe1]

Kiki Vandeweighe is the most retarded GM I've almost ever seen in my life. We go and draft retarded players such as Nikolai Tskitishvili last year. Then this year, he decides, hey I'm going to sign the whole DAMN Clippers team so that the Nuggets effectively become the Clippers. Hello, Kiki, the Clippers weren't good last year. To top it off, the free agent from the Clippers they should be signing, Elton Brand, they aren't even considering. WTF. Somehow we're willing to offer Andre Miller who's not very good 4.7-5.7 million a year but not Gilbert Arenas who has way more potential, is actually exciting 7 million? That's 1.3 friggin million more a year for a player who's a lot better. So basically, we're going to have the same mediocre Clippers team this year. Just sign all their players and call them the Nuggets. Oh yeah, that's right, they want to sign Olowokandi too....who's got all the physical size to be good but won't ever be good and never has been good. All these Clippers know they're coming to a team where nothing will be expected of them and they can rack up hugeass salaries. I swear, at least make offers to the good players. Why do we keep offering players who are above average at best hugeass longterm salaries...I don't get it...

The only decision I'm happy with is Carmelo Anthony but he kind of fell into our lap. If it was up to Kiki he would have drafted Darko...looks like I'm going to be stuck watching a crappy team with no cap room and huge money tied up in big contracts for the next 5 years.

 

[pennylane]

Andre Miller before last season was quite good.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Andre Miller before last season was quite good.

14 points a game??? That's mediocre in my book. He's like any other average point guard in the league. Nothing special. Gilbert Arenas, 18 points a game, still improving and still young. Andre Miller who is someone who is consistent who won't do anything really bad or good...I don't want that on my team.

Hell, I bet they bring in Hollis Price at shooting guard and he does better than Magette...

 

[Francodman]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Andre Miller before last season was quite good.

14 points a game??? That's mediocre in my book. He's like any other average point guard in the league. Nothing special. Gilbert Arenas, 18 points a game, still improving and still young. Andre Miller who is someone who is consistent who won't do anything really bad or good...I don't want that on my team.

Hell, I bet they bring in Hollis Price at shooting guard and he does better than Magette...

He averaged 16.5 pts and over 10 assists per game. Denver needs a legitimate PG to run their floor, Gilbert always has the tendancy to shoot first. I should know, I'm a warriors fan.


On another note, there's no way Gilbert's leavin, i'll bet my house on it.

 

[Spac3d]

I want an Alex English throwback.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: Francodman

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Andre Miller before last season was quite good.

14 points a game??? That's mediocre in my book. He's like any other average point guard in the league. Nothing special. Gilbert Arenas, 18 points a game, still improving and still young. Andre Miller who is someone who is consistent who won't do anything really bad or good...I don't want that on my team.

Hell, I bet they bring in Hollis Price at shooting guard and he does better than Magette...

He averaged 16.5 pts and over 10 assists per game. Denver needs a legitimate PG to run their floor, Gilbert always has the tendancy to shoot first. I should know, I'm a warriors fan.


On another note, there's no way Gilbert's leavin, i'll bet my house on it.

You're talking about with the Cavs. The Cavs really had no one on that team. Hell he was the leading scorer with 16.5 pts per game. If he comes to the Nuggets it's going to be with the same Clippers team he's been playing with. I guess he's not terrible but I'm just sick of seeing guys who are fundamentally sound and who don't make mistakes but dont' really help your team do anything but maybe lose in the first round of the playoffs or play a good season and don't make the playoffs. I just keep thinking back to Mark Jackson....I don't mind Van Exel so much though. I mean, Mark Jackson wasn't a bad player, he's just not one of those guys whose going to lead you to anything special or be real exciting to watch. It's like the story of the Nuggets, find some decent players and always fields a mediocre or sh1tty team..

That and I'm biased, I like Arenas. My friend and I both thought he'd be drafted high because before the draft he scored something like 30 points against a Michael Jordan led pickup team guarded by Jordan to lead his team to a victory. You read something like that and you know the kids going to be special. That and he's not afraid to take game winning shots. He'd be someone who would do something besides being a consistent no mistakes point guard...someone that could spark your team and be exciting to watch.

 

[Miramonti]

elton brand is da bomb and then some...the rest are scrubs, except maybe odom but his character and commitment to improve is questionable.

I agree, arenas should be the target too. miller killed the clips with his inconsistency.

the jury's still out on kiki, thats for sure, and its not sounding good...

 

[CrazyDe1]

jjsole, exactly. Some people say we aren't going after Brand because he's restricted. Well, Magette is restricted too and we just went after him. If these guys are so awesome and worth so much money, why didn't the Clippers even make the playoffs?

It pisses me off that the one guy we should be going for, Elton Brand, we're not even considering. I mean, bring him in, give him a huge offer, if it gets matched, so be it. What team would be better? Anthony, Nene, and Olowokandi and 3, 4 and 5 or Anthony, Brand, and Nene at 3, 4 and 5. We keep going after these frigging mediocre players and it really pisses me off. Hell, we were on Jason Kidd's list. At least bring him in, ask him who he wants to play with and be like alright, we're going to go out and try to sign these guys for you. It wouldn't hurt.

I swear, such retardedass decisions...put me as GM of the Nuggets...we'd do better. Signing average players like Miller, Magette, and Olowokandi to longterm contracts for more than they're worth isn't going to work. They're not worth that much, we'll realize it in a few years and trade them for nothing. For the amount of money we have we should be gettin a star...not a decent player who's nothing special. We're going to be in the same damn situation we've been in in the past few years..a bunch of money tied up in players who aren't so good. Guys like Lafrentz who aren't very good but are eatin up huge chunks of salary...

 

[masterxfob]

CrazyDe1: you sir are an idiot (basketball wise).

Andre Miller is a true point guard in that he looks to pass first, not shoot. you might think it's easy to dish out the assists, but it's not, it takes a smart (basketball wise) and talented player to be able to rack up 10 assists/game. the reason he didn't do so well last year was due to the rest of the team trying to play for contracts and quite possibly some of the worst coaching i've seen in quite a while.

as for Candy Man, i can't say that i like him, but he's a decent center. he has a few very valuable years of experience and should come relatively cheap, maybe mid level exception range. i'm also pretty sure Nene and Camby playing the PF position would improve their game. they're both good sized PF's, but they're small C's.

i'd really like to see you do a better job as GM

 

[Ranger X]

They're going after Olowokandi, Miller and Maggette. That's not the ENTIRE Clippers team. Plus, Maggette is a pretty good player. Miller is okay and since the Nuggets need a PG, they're going after one that is available. I hate Olowokandi and I hope he leaves L.A. Give the starting job to Kaman, even though he's a rookie.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: masterxfob
CrazyDe1: you sir are an idiot (basketball wise).

Andre Miller is a true point guard in that he looks to pass first, not shoot. you might think it's easy to dish out the assists, but it's not, it takes a smart (basketball wise) and talented player to be able to rack up 10 assists/game. the reason he didn't do so well last year was due to the rest of the team trying to play for contracts and quite possibly some of the worst coaching i've seen in quite a while.

as for Candy Man, i can't say that i like him, but he's a decent center. he has a few very valuable years of experience and should come relatively cheap, maybe mid level exception range. i'm also pretty sure Nene and Camby playing the PF position would improve their game. they're both good sized PF's, but they're small C's.

i'd really like to see you do a better job as GM

Andre Miller looks to pass first, I like that, I do the same when I play..I'm a point guard. But he doesn't create. Mark Jackson had 10 assissts a game. Sure, that's the ideal point guard, but in this league you need someone to create and actually do something besides pass. It's the same safe player that the Nuggets have always gone with. I'm not saying he sucks but he's a safe above average player, not hte star Arenas could be. Arenas is still showing improvement, Miller isn't. Andre Miller - 6.7 assists per game. Gilbert Arenas 6.8. Why wouldn't you pay 1.5 million more for a much better player who can create and hit a clutch shot???

Nene did pretty alright at center last year. Elton Brand would improve the team so much more than adding a "true" center who really doesn't do anything and seems to give up on plays.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
They're going after Olowokandi, Miller and Maggette. That's not the ENTIRE Clippers team. Plus, Maggette is a pretty good player. Miller is okay and since the Nuggets need a PG, they're going after one that is available. I hate Olowokandi and I hope he leaves L.A. Give the starting job to Kaman, even though he's a rookie.

By entire I was being sarcastic. I swear, the Nuggets make me want to jump off buildings. It's always the same thing, no stars. Just sign a bunch of mediocre above average players who play hard and either attempt and don't make the playoffs or make the playoffs and don't do much. I agree with the Magette signing just because we need a shooting guard. Miller? There's a better option named Gilbert Arenas and they shouldn't be going after Miller until Arenas is offered a contract. Olowokandi, how the hell was he a #1 pick??? I always used to look at Shaq and think anyone that big could be a good basketball player. I dont' think that anymore...

 

[jinduy]

i'm from LA and i can tell you that kandiman is a big goof ball...he's been in the nba long enough to reach his full potential...yet he hasn't (or is that all he has?).

 

[HamSupLo]

there's no way in hell you can get kandi for the mid level exception. He was looking for a max deal the year before. at least in his mind, he's worth it.

 

[CrazyDe1]

First and foremost, you have to look at players who know how to win. Why would you take 3 guys from a team that didnt' make the playoffs last year and pay them max contracts? If they said we'll sign Tony Parker for that, I wouldn't have much of a problem with that because he won a championship, he knows how to win. If they weren't good on their previous teams playing together what mkaes you think they'll be good on a different team together? That's what I don't get...

The exception is guys who do really really well who are stars...like an Elton Brand.

 

[samurai20]

I'm happy Denver is stupid. So much money and yet no good players want to come to Denver cause they are the joke of the NBA. If Gilbert wants the big bucks they should give it to him cause nobody in their right mind would play in Denver without being overpaid. They are going to be the bottom dwellers of the NBA again for the next couple years at least. Carmelo is gonna need a few years to develop.

I pray that Gilbert will be back in Oakland next year, else the Warriors will be crap again. The only way I can see this happening though, is if nobody will sign him to a big contract which he deserves.

 

[Cyco]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
I want an Alex English throwback.

I'll take a "Fat" Lever one. This is the exact reason why I disowned the Nuggets and adopted the Kings (lived in Sacramento after I got out of basic in '94, the Kings did still suck back then, but not as bad as the Nuggets.)

 

[NeoMadHatter]

at least they got rid of antonio "always injured" mcdyess
that was a plus on the money side for them.

 

[guyver01]

i thought this thread was gonna be about McDonalds new WHITE MEAT chicken McNuggets ..

silly me

 

[Storm]

I still think I would go with Andre Miller over Arenas. I still dont think one good year substaniates a contract 7 mil per year for a couple of years. Before Andre Miller went to the clips he averaged 16.5 pts and 10.9 assists. That was his best year, he went to the clips and sucked.

Its brought his market value down but before the 01-02 season, in 00-01 he averaged 15.8 and 8 dimes. If Miller can have a sub-par season after a career year, Arenas most certainly can too.

Arenas is 6 years younger but its too early for him to get 7 million a year imho.

I think one of the Nuggets bigger problem is the fact they have a whole bunch of people that play small forward and shooting guard. Rodney White, Yarbrough, Tskiti, Savovic, Bowen, and Carmelo.

If they can't find anyone they like, they should sit on their money arent their bigger fish to catch next off-season like Garnett?

 

[CrazyDe1]

Sigh...apparently when Arenas was asking for 7 million a year it was too much but then they go and offer Andre Miller 55 million over 6 years. Somehow Andre Miller is worth 9 million a year? WTF!!!!! We're going to be stuck with a point guard eating up huge amounts of cap space who we're going to want to get rid of in 2 years again. I can't believe this crap...


Looks like I'm stuck cheering for the kings for yet another year...

 

[DanTMWTMP]

go lakers!

 

[LAUST]

The Nuggets have not been cool since Alex English was there

 

[phreakah]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
go lakers!

 

[CPA]

CrazyDe1 hang in there, from one Nugs fan to another. I almost agree with your first analysis about becoming the Clips of the Rocky Mountains, but I don't think you can compare the two. The Clips organization is abysmal and Miller suffered under a system that did not work to his strengths. In fact, on the Denver Post forums, someone had posted that all of the Clips assists per average had declined from the year before they were on the Clips to the first year being with the Clips. It has something to do with just being a Clipper.

I like the move of Miller before Arenas, heck 7M is better than dishing out 9M at this time (you are wrong in your prior post, Arenas was looking for 9M in 1st year, Miller is getting 7M in 1st year). We need someone with same experience and leadership, and I think Miller has that head and shoulders above Arenas. Plus, Kiki has time and time stated that we wanted players with class coming to this team and Arenas, at times, has shown to be without discretion.

I'm not all together happy with our persuit of Kandi, but what can you do when Camby can't be trusted to last even half a season. We could always hold onto the cash until next season and pick up Garnett or someone big, but I think Kiki is looking to make a push to the playoffs this season, so we need a precense in the middle.

I'm excited about this season only for the fact that Melo is on the team. I may even decide to buy the Directv NBA package just so I can watch him.