I just watched Artificial Intelligence

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0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh, i think the david and mom at the end are all in vr. not inconveivable considering the advanced mecha had err hundreds? thousands of years? i forget... like running mame on our pc's he shot all the mom end shots in a blurred manner to boot. it also fits in with the rest of the movie, which is sci fi, not fantasy based. the advanced mecha were just being kind, david didn't know any better. they try to talk him out of it, but in the end they just give him what he wants.
I don't disagree that the robots were capable of the VR. I'm just wondering WHY they would give a robot that is actually a virtual robot "what he wants." It would make sense to give the original robot what he wants, because the original David WAS REAL, but why go through the process of giving something to another thing that is not real?


I guess my only answer to these questions is that maybe the advanced robots wanted to see an advanced simulation of human's interacting with robots. David truly was the key between robots and humans.

On a side note, I love having deep discussions about movies like this. It just goes to show that a movie like A.I. can't be immediately dismissed because it has a "dumb ending".


whats the difference between the vr robot and the robot if one is downloaded from the other? isn't a program the same program whereever its run? as for reality, you could ask the same question, aren't both real? and the advanced mecha at the end don't seem like cold logic machines, they wanted to do what was right by david.

Why wasn't Monica real? Why bring up the whole hubbub about her being able to live only one day and then create a virtual Monica that could live forever?

at the end they mention that he was built so young or whatever, he is frozen as a child with a childs mind in other words, not to mention a very primitive model, he cannot understand or probably handle the reality. so they tell him a story.

Advanced Mecha: David, I often felt a sort of envy of human beings of that thing they called "spirit." Human beings had created a million explanations of the meaning of life in art, in poetry, in mathematical formulas. Certainly, human beings must be the key to the meaning of existence. But human beings no longer existed. So we began a project that would make it possible to recreate the living body of a person long dead from the D.N.A in a fragment of bone or mummified skin. We also wondered, would it be possible to retrieve a memory trace in resonance with a recreated body? and you know what we found? We found the very fabric of space-time itself appeared to store information about every event that had occurred in the past. But the experiment was a failure, for those who were resurrected only lived through a day of renewed life. When the resurrectees fell asleep on the night of their first new day, they died again. As soon as they became unconscious their very existence faded away into darkness. So you see, David, the equations have shown that once an individual space-time pathway had been used, it could not be reused. IF we bring your mother back now, it will only be for one day, and then you will never be able to see her again.
David:Maybe, she will be special. Maybe she will stay.
Advanced Mecha: I thought this would be hard for you to understand. You were created to be so young.
David:Maybe the one day will be like the one day inside the amphibicopter. Maybe it will last forever.
Advanced Mecha: David, you are the enduring memory of the human race. The most lasting proof of their genius. We only want for your happiness. David, you've had so little of that.
David:If you want for my happiness then you know what you have to do.



eh looked it up, the end sequence is supposedly 2000 years after the last human. being that the last human probably lived atleast a couple hundred years after david was first made...enough time to make truely human level mecha atleast...a long time. the advanced mecha just blew some peoples minds i guess. people don't think in deep time very well. just think...your pc would be like magic to someone just 100 years ago.
 

xboxist

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This movie at a minumum, gets a 5/10 thanks to Teddy. Everything else is just bonus points.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
whats the difference between the vr robot and the robot if one is downloaded from the other? isn't a program the same program whereever its run? as for reality, you could ask the same question, aren't both real? and the advanced mecha at the end don't seem like cold logic machines, they wanted to do what was right by david.
Good point. I guess the real David isn't "real", so it doesn't really matter how he experiences his so-called "life".
 

0roo0roo

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well, depends how you define real. are we only real if run through biological processes? we're just biological computers after all. eh, getting into fuzzy philosophy area heh
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well, depends how you define real. are we only real if run through biological processes? we're just biological computers after all. eh, getting into fuzzy philosophy area heh
Well, in terms of David, he's just an extremely advanced computer and (as with all computers) incapable of real intelligence or emotion. Hence the title: A.I. Artificial Intelligence.

As you mentioned, the robots could have used the equivalent of an emulator play back his memory and programming. As far as David's program is concerned, everything that happened in the "emulator" was just as real to him as if it happened in real life.

I just went through that Mysteries of A.I. site you provided. The explanation that the robots did the "wrong thing but with good intentions" convinced me that the Monica at the end wasn't real. Fascinating, fascinating stuff!
 

0roo0roo

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well supposedly david wasn't just an advanced computer. he was supposedly the breakthrough model, an ai with an inner life, an ai that dreams,... could be said to have a soul. no other ai had this before he was made. that being said it was just the first, and stuck as a child.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well supposedly david wasn't just an advanced computer. he was supposedly the breakthrough model, an ai with an inner life, an ai that dreams,... could be said to have a soul. no other ai had this before he was made. that being said it was just the first, and stuck as a child.
Another good point. I guess that's probably the whole kicker of the story. Does David truly have a soul? If so, does that make him real? Geez, his creator really was a cruel person to create something like that. Oy! Too much thinking right now...
 

HamSupLo

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If kubrick had directed AI, that scene with Gigolo Joe and that girl would have been 10x much better. Spielberg has no sense of imagination.
 

HamSupLo

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well supposedly david wasn't just an advanced computer. he was supposedly the breakthrough model, an ai with an inner life, an ai that dreams,... could be said to have a soul. no other ai had this before he was made. that being said it was just the first, and stuck as a child.
Another good point. I guess that's probably the whole kicker of the story. Does David truly have a soul? If so, does that make him real? Geez, his creator really was a cruel person to create something like that. Oy! Too much thinking right now...

Too bad Spielberg didn't do an indepth exploration of what it means to be human. I know Kubrick would have done that. Spielberg tends to sugar coat crap and make it geared towards a family audience.
 

Kelemvor

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I never saw AI but how does it compare to the Robin Williams one where he's a robot and evolves? Can't think of the name offhand but I liked that movie.
 

Doggiedog

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I didn't cry but I was close.

I really liked the movie a lot. I got a lot of crap from my friends about it but still..
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well supposedly david wasn't just an advanced computer. he was supposedly the breakthrough model, an ai with an inner life, an ai that dreams,... could be said to have a soul. no other ai had this before he was made. that being said it was just the first, and stuck as a child.

hey thanks 0roo0roo for those 2 links. very very interesting stuff!!!
this is one of the best threads ive come upon on ATOT
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I didn't cry but I was close.

I really liked the movie a lot. I got a lot of crap from my friends about it but still..

im gettin sort of misty eyed now thinking about all those melancholy scenes in the movie as people bring them up (teddy falling/David looking onto the blue fairy with his yearning eyes, while stuck in his amphibichopter)

i think im gonna see this movie one more time
 

Doggiedog

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I didn't cry but I was close.

I really liked the movie a lot. I got a lot of crap from my friends about it but still..

im gettin sort of misty eyed now thinking about all those melancholy scenes in the movie as people bring them up (teddy falling/David looking onto the blue fairy with his yearning eyes, while stuck in his amphibichopter)

i think im gonna see this movie one more time

Hehe same here.

Last time an AI thread rolled around, I took out the movie and watched it again.

Those scenes where the boy was abandoned and felt alone were so sad. My wife doesn't feel that way because she keeps insisting the boy is just a robot but I disagree.
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I didn't cry but I was close.

I really liked the movie a lot. I got a lot of crap from my friends about it but still..

im gettin sort of misty eyed now thinking about all those melancholy scenes in the movie as people bring them up (teddy falling/David looking onto the blue fairy with his yearning eyes, while stuck in his amphibichopter)

i think im gonna see this movie one more time

Hehe same here.

Last time an AI thread rolled around, I took out the movie and watched it again.

Those scenes where the boy was abandoned and felt alone were so sad. My wife doesn't feel that way because she keeps insisting the boy is just a robot but I disagree.

yea that part is so sad! i think Haley Joel Osment did a terrific job potraying the role of a boy who loves his mother, but is not loved back.

on another note, ever see the movie "Milo and Otis"? I saw it when i was a kid and started bawling cuz i felt so sad for the cat getting lost
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: welst10
minority report > AI

totally different types of movies. AI is more of a modern day fantasy tale....Minority Report is a sci-fi mystery/thriller

even though I liked both, I'd like to own AI over MR if i had to choose
 

welst10

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: welst10
minority report > AI

totally different types of movies. AI is more of a modern day fantasy tale....Minority Report is a sci-fi mystery/thriller

even though I liked both, I'd like to own AI over MR if i had to choose

ok, minority report >= AI
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: Ketteringo
The ending was retarded. Aliens? Give me a break.

They weren't Aliens.....they were evolved Robots. You apparently missed the point totally. :roll:
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: Ketteringo
The ending was retarded. Aliens? Give me a break.

They weren't Aliens.....they were evolved Robots. You apparently missed the point totally. :roll:
You apparently haven't read the thread. :roll:
 

Bumrush99

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It's the type of movie that grows on you. The first time I saw it I HATED it. However, the second time I watched it I loved it... I can't explain why, other than the fact that I watched it the second time trying to see the deeper meaning of the movie.
 

bradruth

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bradruth
The last 20 minutes was useless drivel to elicite the exact response that the OP had. Didn't work on me.

*Elicit.


PELVIC THRUST!

I've been training too long...everything is turning police related. Eli-cite(ation). :shocked:

Originally posted by: Anubis
IIRC Kubrick had it ending there is was spelburn that added that crap to it

I heard that too.
 

Kelemvor

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Bicentennial Man was the Robin Williams one. How does that story compare to the AI story?
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by: Anubis
IIRC Kubrick had it ending there is was spelburn that added that crap to it



I heard that too.

u heard wrong

as for bicentennial man, that was pure cr@p compared.
 
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