I just watched Artificial Intelligence

[torpid]

Yup, but the ending was still too kubrikian to fit with the rest of the film. I liked the imagination of the film. I liked the ambition, so even though there were some truly awful parts, I still have some affection for it. But not a whole lot.

 

[SaltBoy]

Kubrick's original treatment of the end of the film is what Spielberg shot. If you have to blame anybody for the movie not ending with David at the bottom of the ocean, blame Kubrick.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Shoulda ended with him in the ocean.

I agree.

The last 20 minutes was useless drivel to elicite the exact response that the OP had. Didn't work on me.

IIRC Kubrick had it ending there is was spelburn that added that crap to it

 

[ThePresence]

I ususally like Spielberg's movies, but this one made me cry for an entirely different reason.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Ketteringo
The ending was retarded. Aliens? Give me a break.

there are no aliens.

I never saw it, Aliens? how the hell does that fit into a movie about AI .. guess I need to watch it.

there are no ALIENS! anyone paying attention during the movie would have gotten this. those robots at the end are just very evolved robots. their shape isn't even really biologically possible, heck they look like they are built of some kinda light circuitry...and have ability to network, to display things... bah thats not biological.

*spoilers, don't read bitch*



What I always wondered is if the aliens brought the mom back from the "life stream" did they effectivly erase her from the stream forever since she could only be around for 1 day. If so, serves the bitch right imo.

I also had a problem with the narrator. We hear him once in the beginning and suddenly once in the end? I mean wtf??!!!, couldn't spielberg think of a more creative way to give the audience the info???!!!


overall I give the movie a B-. Kubrick could have done it better... and with more pedophilic overtones

arg. the entire end sequence was in VR. note after the robots that find him "download" him, everything becomes fuzzy. and you even get to see the robots looking into a floating display at david talking to the "blue fairy"...they are treating david as a child, because that is what he is.

all the info is there... just half the people apparently missed it

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
arg. the entire end sequence was in VR. note after the robots that find him "download" him, everything becomes fuzzy. and you even get to see the robots looking into a floating display at david talking to the "blue fairy"...they are treating david as a child, because that is what he is.

Dang, I never even thought about that sequence being in VR. It makes sense but sure is trippy!

 

[0roo0roo]

*saved from old thread back when people kept posting new threads over and over on the same thing*

So you don?t have to guess from memory what was said in the movie.

Well here's the full quote foreshadowing the advanced mecha

Gigolo Joe:She loves what you do for her, as my customers love what it is I do for them. But she does not love you, David. She cannot love you. You are neither flesh nor blood. You are not a dog or a cat or a canary. You were designed and built specific like the rest of us. And you are alone now only because they tired of you, or replaced you with a younger model, or were displeased with something you said or broke. They made us too smart, too quick and too many. We are suffering for the mistakes they made because when the end comes, all that will be left is us.


Limitations of Gigolo Joe level mecha.
Dr Hobby:A sensory toy with intelligent behavioral circuits using neuron-sequencing technology as old as I am.

Description of new mecha
Dr Hobby:a robot child that will genuinely love the parent or parents it imprints on with a love that will never end.
employee:a child substitute mecha.
Dr Hobby:but a mecha with a mind, with neuronal feedback. You see, what I?m suggesting is that love will be the key, by which they acquire a kind of subconscious never before achieved. an inner world of metaphor, of intuition, of self-motivated reasoning, - of dreams.



David and the Blue Fairy.
David:I have a wish to make.
Blue Fairy:and what is your wish?
Davidlease make me a real boy so my mommy will love me and let me stay with her.
Blue Fairy: David, I will do anything that is possible, but I cannot make you a real boy.
David:Where am I? This looks like my house, but it is different.
Blue Fairy:Yes, it is different, but it?s also your home. We read your mind, and its all here. There's nothing too small that you didn't store for us to remember. We so want you to be happy. You are so important to us David, you are unique in all the world.
David:Will mommy be coming home soon? Is she out shopping with martin now?
Blue Fairy: David, she can never come home because 2000 years have past. and she is no longer living. Dearest David, when your lonely, we can bring back other people from your time in the past.
David:If you can bring back other people, why can't you bring back her?
Blue Fairy:Because we can only bring back people whose bodies we dig up from the ice. We need some physical sample of the person like a bone or a fingernail.
Teddy: David?
David:yes teddy.
Teddy: Do you remember when you cut some of mommy?s hair?
David:Henry shook me.
Teddy:and you dropped her hair?
David:I know. Now you can bring her back, can't you?
Advanced Mechas peering through displayGive him what he wants.


What the advanced mecha say to each other when they find David.
Advanced mechas:This machine was trapped under the wreckage before the freezing. Therefore, these robots are originals. They knew living people.



What the Ben kingsly advanced mecha says to David at the end.
Advanced Mecha: David, I often felt a sort of envy of human beings of that thing they called "spirit." Human beings had created a million explanations of the meaning of life in art, in poetry, in mathematical formulas. Certainly, human beings must be the key to the meaning of existence. But human beings no longer existed. So we began a project that would make it possible to recreate the living body of a person long dead from the D.N.A in a fragment of bone or mummified skin. We also wondered, would it be possible to retrieve a memory trace in resonance with a recreated body? and you know what we found? We found the very fabric of space-time itself appeared to store information about every event that had occurred in the past. But the experiment was a failure, for those who were resurrected only lived through a day of renewed life. When the resurrectees fell asleep on the night of their first new day, they died again. As soon as they became unconscious their very existence faded away into darkness. So you see, David, the equations have shown that once an individual space-time pathway had been used, it could not be reused. IF we bring your mother back now, it will only be for one day, and then you will never be able to see her again.
David:Maybe, she will be special. Maybe she will stay.
Advanced Mecha: I thought this would be hard for you to understand. You were created to be so young.
David:Maybe the one day will be like the one day inside the amphibicopter. Maybe it will last forever.
Advanced Mecha: David, you are the enduring memory of the human race. The most lasting proof of their genius. We only want for your happiness. David, you've had so little of that.
David:If you want for my happiness then you know what you have to do.


http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/faq/index2.html

http://www.mysteriesofai.com/faq/


overall I give the movie a B-. Kubrick could have done it better... and with more pedophilic overtones

the links above have info on kubric. it was as he wanted it.

 

[benliong]

Originally posted by: Amused
OMG, I cannot believe the ignorance here.

Folks, those were NOT aliens at the end. Watch it again and pay attention to the dialogue.

They are very advanced robots. When the humans died out, all that was left was the AI/robots. The AI advanced on it's own and reached a very advanced and self aware state. They were doing archaeological digs to find their past. To them, finding the boy was a link to their past. And the humans are their creators. The boy was a link for them to understand their creators.

wow I never knew that. partly because those robots looks too much like the alien in movies.

But it make sense in that aspect. Robots are just finding out what happened before them. Like we do with dino.

I liked the movie, and I'm one of the few people who liked the ending.

 

[nakedfrog]

I thought it was alright.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

i cried too!

anyone who saw aliens in this movie is an idiot.
anyone who sat thru the full movie and couldn't figure out what david was and his importance to both the robots and humans has ADD

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
arg. the entire end sequence was in VR. note after the robots that find him "download" him, everything becomes fuzzy. and you even get to see the robots looking into a floating display at david talking to the "blue fairy"...they are treating david as a child, because that is what he is.

Dang, I never even thought about that sequence being in VR. It makes sense but sure is trippy!

yes, i was banging my head against the wall after the movie. my friend didn't get it.. thought it was aliens too that was the pattern then, half the people got it, the other half thought it was about aliens and totally sucked because of the "aliens". nothing foretold aliens in the story heh i mean seriously, every commercial/trailer had the "They made us too smart, too quick and too many. when the end comes, all that will be left is us." quote. countless threadposts on it i mean seriously, its kinda arrogant to think aliens would look anything like us. or that robots wouldn't evolve, esp if they surpased us in capabilities, they'd evolve at some insane pace. if you looked at their faces it was a faint hint of a human face to boot.

 

[ThePresence]

Why would anybody think they were aliens????:roll:

 

[rh71]

I felt the last part of the movie was added on... and it indeed felt like a whole 'nother person had worked on it - which was true.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Ketteringo
The ending was retarded. Aliens? Give me a break.

That's what I thought. Until someone explained to me that those were actually advanced robots that had outlived humans.

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
arg. the entire end sequence was in VR. note after the robots that find him "download" him, everything becomes fuzzy. and you even get to see the robots looking into a floating display at david talking to the "blue fairy"...they are treating david as a child, because that is what he is.

Dang, I never even thought about that sequence being in VR. It makes sense but sure is trippy!

yes, i was banging my head against the wall after the movie. my friend didn't get it.. thought it was aliens too that was the pattern then, half the people got it, the other half thought it was about aliens and totally sucked because of the "aliens". nothing foretold aliens in the story heh countless threadposts on it i mean seriously, its kinda arrogant to think aliens would look anything like us. or that robots wouldn't evolve, esp if they surpased us in capabilities, they'd evolve at some insane pace. if you looked at their faces it was a faint hint of a human face to boot.

Oh, I caught onto the robot thing right away. Also, I understand that the house recreated by the robots was most likely a virtual creation. But was David HIMSELF (and for that matter, his mother) a virtual creation in end? Or was the David we saw the real David? It seemed to me that the real David was still intact after being unfrozen and went through everything we saw. Maybe I was wrong. Aaggh!

 

[jyates]

Thought it was a very good movie with some great acting
and film work.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: rh71
I felt the last part of the movie was added on... and it indeed felt like a whole 'nother person had worked on it - which was true.

wrong again, it was there from the start. i linked evidence.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: JoeKing
*spoilers, don't read bitch*



What I always wondered is if the aliens brought the mom back from the "life stream" did they effectivly erase her from the stream forever since she could only be around for 1 day. If so, serves the bitch right imo.

I also had a problem with the narrator. We hear him once in the beginning and suddenly once in the end? I mean wtf??!!!, couldn't spielberg think of a more creative way to give the audience the info???!!!


overall I give the movie a B-. Kubrick could have done it better... and with more pedophilic overtones :Q

1. Those weren't aliens, they were advanced robots
2. I think the robots lied to him. Bringing the mom back was nothing more than a simulation of her based on the memories that were extracted from him. Otherwise she would have remembered her entire lifetime, including everyone else besides him. The robots had sympathy for him and "gave him what he wanted".

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
I liked it too. Though it got a really bad rap. I agree it was really long and drawn out...but..I guess it is personal preference.

i agree.
i thought everyone in it was good and i think it was a visually pleasing film. something that is very often not found in american film anymore.
the plot i enjoyed for the most part. i agree it was long but that never bothered me about something i was interested in.
i must admit that much of my enjoyment may be due to my kubrick love.
cant say im a big fan of spielberg. obviously he has made a number of classics. but i find myself just avoiding his stuff more and more these days. too bland.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
arg. the entire end sequence was in VR. note after the robots that find him "download" him, everything becomes fuzzy. and you even get to see the robots looking into a floating display at david talking to the "blue fairy"...they are treating david as a child, because that is what he is.

Dang, I never even thought about that sequence being in VR. It makes sense but sure is trippy!

yes, i was banging my head against the wall after the movie. my friend didn't get it.. thought it was aliens too that was the pattern then, half the people got it, the other half thought it was about aliens and totally sucked because of the "aliens". nothing foretold aliens in the story heh countless threadposts on it i mean seriously, its kinda arrogant to think aliens would look anything like us. or that robots wouldn't evolve, esp if they surpased us in capabilities, they'd evolve at some insane pace. if you looked at their faces it was a faint hint of a human face to boot.

Oh, I caught onto the robot thing right away. Also, I understand that the house recreated by the robots was most likely a virtual creation. But was David HIMSELF (and for that matter, his mother) a virtual creation in end? Or was the David we saw the real David? It seemed to me that the real David was still intact after being unfrozen and went through everything we saw. Maybe I was wrong. Aaggh!

heh, i think the david and mom at the end are all in vr. not inconveivable considering the advanced mecha had err hundreds? thousands of years? i forget... like running mame on our pc's he shot all the mom end shots in a blurred manner to boot. it also fits in with the rest of the movie, which is sci fi, not fantasy based. the advanced mecha were just being kind, david didn't know any better. they try to talk him out of it, but in the end they just give him what he wants.

I also had a problem with the narrator. We hear him once in the beginning and suddenly once in the end? I mean wtf??!!!, couldn't spielberg think of a more creative way to give the audience the info???!!!

well one explaination is that it is a story told by the advanced mecha based on what they got frmo david. the narrator is the advanced mecha at the end after all.

 

[Wuffsunie]

I hated the ending, and the movie overall. It should have had the Kubrick ending, where the aliens/robots end up recreating his "mother" as she really was, not as he viewed her, and he ends up crushed. Really, I saw it as a movie that poorly blended light and dark. I think it was supposed to be Kubrick's commentary on our throw-away society, with the epitome of that being that we now have disposable love.

The rest was just WAY too fraught with technical inconsistencies and utter human stupidity for me to enjoy. (ie, what kind of retard tries to frame a robot for murder? Wouldn't anyone have looked for David after he wandered off the building? Wouldn't the cops want their chopper back? What's with not waterproofing David earlier on? HTF do we not see an ice age coming?!)

And does it not look a bit creepy that Chris Rock's character, the only black one of any note in the movie, buys it in such a spectacular way?

 

[SagaLore]

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[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh, i think the david and mom at the end are all in vr. not inconveivable considering the advanced mecha had err hundreds? thousands of years? i forget... like running mame on our pc's he shot all the mom end shots in a blurred manner to boot. it also fits in with the rest of the movie, which is sci fi, not fantasy based. the advanced mecha were just being kind, david didn't know any better. they try to talk him out of it, but in the end they just give him what he wants.

I don't disagree that the robots were capable of the VR. I'm just wondering WHY they would give a robot that is actually a virtual robot "what he wants." It would make sense to give the original robot what he wants, because the original David WAS REAL, but why go through the process of giving something to another thing that is not real?

Why wasn't Monica real? Why bring up the whole hubbub about her being able to live only one day and then create a virtual Monica that could live forever?

I guess my only answer to these questions is that maybe the advanced robots wanted to see an advanced simulation of human's interacting with robots. David truly was the key between robots and humans.

On a side note, I love having deep discussions about movies like this. It just goes to show that a movie like A.I. can't be immediately dismissed because it has a "dumb ending".

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
I hated the ending, and the movie overall. It should have had the Kubrick ending, where the aliens/robots end up recreating his "mother" as she really was, not as he viewed her, and he ends up crushed. Really, I saw it as a movie that poorly blended light and dark. I think it was supposed to be Kubrick's commentary on our throw-away society, with the epitome of that being that we now have disposable love.

wrong again, from the link i linked just a few posts above

At the story's conclusion, the robots that have inherited the Earth use David's memories to reconstruct, in virtual form, the apartment where he had lived with his parents. Because his memories are subjective, the mother is much more vividly realized than the father, and his stepsister's room is not there at all; it is just a hole in the wall.

For Ms. Maitland, the film would end with David preparing a Bloody Mary for his mother, the juice a brighter red than in real life: "He hears her voice, and that's it. We don't see him turn to see her." Kubrick, however, wanted a coda in which the new race of robots, because of a technological limitation, cannot keep the mother alive after reviving her. The movie would end with David in his mother's bedroom, watching her slowly disappear.

arg.... how are people so consistently wrong on this movie.

The rest was just WAY too fraught with technical inconsistencies and utter human stupidity for me to enjoy. (ie, what kind of retard tries to frame a robot for murder? Wouldn't anyone have looked for David after he wandered off the building? Wouldn't the cops want their chopper back? What's with not waterproofing David earlier on? HTF do we not see an ice age coming?!)

And does it not look a bit creepy that Chris Rock's character, the only black one of any note in the movie, buys it in such a spectacular way?

why not? that love bot was just a toaster compared to david. no inner life, just does what its programmed to do. program to murder? why not? as for wandering, i don't know, he wandered pretty far, hard to find anything. the end scenes take place long after, its not "the day after tomorrow" scenario.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Amused
OMG, I cannot believe the ignorance here.

Folks, those were NOT aliens at the end. Watch it again and pay attention to the dialogue.

They are very advanced robots. When the humans died out, all that was left was the AI/robots. The AI advanced on it's own and reached a very advanced and self aware state. They were doing archaeological digs to find their past. To them, finding the boy was a link to their past. And the humans are their creators. The boy was a link for them to understand their creators.

wow i never though of it like that. always thought they were aliens at the end trying to find out about humans..and the only way they could was thru the boy.

but now that i think about it, i think you may be right. interesting!!

and i dunno why people are knocking on the end. i think the end is very well done. and the movie was awesome.

to the person who recommended Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind.....Kudos to you. I recommend that movie 110% also!!!