I Love Immigrants

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RamonLopez
What you said is true but i mean the mexican people can help that their goverment is corrupt

So if the Mexicans can't reform their goverment, then who can?

 

[atybimf]

I was in Los Angeles a week or two ago when the kids were cutting school to march. I thought it was ridiculous because most of them didn't even know what they were marching for, they simply wanted a reason to cut.


I hate immigrants with signs asking where their rights are. I'll tell you were they are - nowhere, because you are illegal and therefore have no rights. The whole thing is ridiculous.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RamonLopez
What you said is true but i mean the mexican people can help that their goverment is corrupt

So if the Mexicans can't reform their goverment, then who can?

No one can. Mexico Government is one of the most corrupted in any democratic society. Drug Dealers have more say in who runs what than their citizen. Their idea of economy is we dont' have one, so we will use America's.

Mexico is just one F(#K Up country

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RamonLopez
What you said is true but i mean the mexican people can help that their goverment is corrupt

So if the Mexicans can't reform their goverment, then who can?

No one can. Mexico Government is one of the most corrupted in any democratic society. Drug Dealers have more say in who runs what than their citizen. Their idea of economy is we dont' have one, so we will use America's.

Mexico is just one F(#K Up country

Hmm, sounds like us here, except replace drug dealers with military contractors and other corporate lobbyists and china/whoever has slave labor to pimp out as the host.

 

[BBond]

In Mexico the only people who have the right to participate in protests are Mexican citizens. You can't even protest if you're a LEGAL resident -- YOU HAVE TO BE A MEXICAN CITIZEN.

Yet here in the good old USA, you can sneak across the border ILLEGALLY and demand what isn't yours in the street! They should round up everyone at those rallies and send them packing back South of the border.

Hypocritical criminals.

 

[ppaik]

my 2cents:

for all those who are in favor of immigrants being here illegally; (ie: business owners, officers in companies, stockholders...etc)...why not take your business to their country and setup shop there. Offer health benefits along with their countries competitive wages...this way they can live a nice life in in their homeland and you can still be their savior. Outsourcing is the new in thing...oh wait...why hassle through all that and waste money, resources, and give your company a bad image when they can come here and you can take advantage of them. This way you can rape the illegal immigrants at the same time screwing the citizen in the ass. What guy wouldn't fvck two women if he could?

And the sad thing about this is...the illegal immigrant knows he's getting screwed, but does it anyway because life is better here than it is back home. If we could create enough jobs to go around and had enough resources to take care of all the needy, I wouldn't mind. But we dont. For the skilled professional or the business owner, we have nothing to fear as we wont be utilizing the welfare system or compete with an illegal immigrant for a job. However the blue collar worker who has worked his life doing labor is now sitting at home signing papers to receive some of the welfare money the goverment has to offer because an illegal immigrant would do the same job he did for 10% less...because he's an illegal immigrant and its still a better life than the life at home...

The only reform I can think of is to penalize any company that employs illegal immigrants and give them an automatic maximum fine (which can result in losing their business license) if they are found giving lower than minimum wages.

I have a personal issue with this because my parents legally immigrated here and worked their asses off alongside illegal immigrants. they worked for less than minimum wage because they weren't rich enough to start any type of business nor were they skilled enough to have a job as a working professional. they worked over 60-80hrs a week to make due for a 1 bedroom apt in a "not so good" neighborhood. my parents blamed themselves for not being better educated, especially in English...i blame the owners they worked for along with the government for not stepping in....politics...sweat factories are ok in their books as long as the owners support them and sponser them, they will just turn and look the other way.

 

[ta8689]

Back when europeans came over, dumbass president didnt feed them and give them money. They worked or starved. Now in the USA if you dont work, thats ok, you can leech off the tax payers and get wellfare or whatever money they hand out now. I know some people who do this and i hate them so much.

 

[bigben2wardpitt]

what i dont like is the people that come here and they dont work. Thats one thing.

Another, the spanish at my high school, are extremely ignorent, immature people, for the most part. This is a generalization, yes, but it is true. It is hard for me to want these people to come to America (which still is the whites country, like it or not, it's not everybodys county and it shouldn't be when we get to a certain point), and continue to be ignorent, and fail at school, skip school, waste tax $$ given to schools, etc. It is hard for me to embrace the idea that "hey lets just let all these people in"

Another thing, they are slowly going from minority to majority, im sure many of us have heard that they are taking over this country at a certain point, according to so and so statistics, and well, it's true. I personally do not want that to happen. I want to live in a country where I am the majority. The spanish can go back to there country and be the majority.

I think we need to help mexico, get there gov't back on there feet.

I am also one that doesnt believe we should help countries, so i guess if we are allowing people into the states we are helping them, fine, we can do that, but spending so much money on helping a country, well we could do that forever and spend all our money on it. MONROE DOCTRINE ALL THE WAY.

these are just my feelings, not really opinions, this subject is oh so very complicated, and is hard to make a black and white decision on

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RamonLopez
What you said is true but i mean the mexican people can help that their goverment is corrupt

So if the Mexicans can't reform their goverment, then who can?

No one can. Mexico Government is one of the most corrupted in any democratic society. Drug Dealers have more say in who runs what than their citizen. Their idea of economy is we dont' have one, so we will use America's.

Mexico is just one F(#K Up country

Hmm, sounds like us here, except replace drug dealers with military contractors and other corporate lobbyists and china/whoever has slave labor to pimp out as the host.

LoL, you tell us our anger is misguided by wanting deportation yet you still view military contractors and corporate lobbyists as the downfall of this country. How ironic.

And you still haven't answered the question: What about the Mexicans, South Americans, Irish, and other foreigners waiting in line to become a citizen the legal way? You said your family came here illegally, so we can't expect you to understand how the people who do it the legal way are getting screwed. Your beliefs are a slap in the face to 675,000 foreigners applying for citizenship every year. The number of those people in the past 2 decades far outweighs some stupid 10-12 million illegals.

Deportation is the best answer. Deport them as they are found. We may not get every single one right away, but it will be ongoing. Then secure our borders, create a new Soc Sec database to catch violators, and create strict legislation that severely penalizes business paying anyone under minimum wage. Then, and only then, will the lower class have a chance at bridging the socioeconomic gap between rich and poor. This includes legal immigrants and blue collar Amercians who are being undercut by illegals and the scum businesses that employ illegals over citizens. Whose rights are really being taken away here, the illegals or the Americans?

Realistically what will probably happen: Temporary amnesty will be given to all the criminals if deportation is taken off the table because of financial and logistical concerns. It will be the biggest cop out in history for our country, and millions more will flood through the gates as a result.

 

[SoylentG]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So there.
I see a person from another country working at some job to make a better life for himself, I think, "Good for him, that is great."

Hell, my family came over from europe at some point to carve out better lives for themselves, So, the way I see it, who am I to sit there and complain about immigrants? After all, the first illegal immigrants were white people. But, as usual, the haters have no comprehension of that...
"POOR ME, POOR ME!" Cries the middle class.

They get angry because some guy who grew up in a shack with a dirt floor in some mexican barrio comes to the US illegally.

I ask, what would YOU do? Keep living in that dirty hut hoping you don't die of some curable disease until you can move to the US legally? Or say, "screw it, at least being poor in the US isn't as bad as being poor here," And take off?

Then more cries about "handouts" they get... yeah, more BS. Frankly with all the advantages I have just being BORN here, I really don't care if some of my tax dollars go to help an immigrant get an education, after all it's all better for the nation in the end.

There, I vented.

Some point of view from real protesters

I was at a great rally today in Jersey City right behind the statue of liberty, there were lots of people, lots of chants of USA, USA, and a LOT we not immigrants, a lot were americans standing behind our fellow workers, so great to see us all come together of all colors, even the governor sent a speech and he is fully behind the newest americans, hurray!
For all the angry ones who think they are "losing out" and "getting something taken" step off and give people the same chance you had.

Anyhow, who are you to call someone immigrant, pilgrim

Alright, so how about this:

Using your little carebear logic, let me make a scenario and use your point of view on it.
I'm a poor man, and I'm about to die because I can't afford to buy my medicine. The only way I can get medicine is to get $100. I am sitting in a park, and an elderly lady comes and sits down to feed pidgeons. She leaves and forgets her purse. You pick it up, and lo and behold, $100! Your problem is solved. Would you die or steal from someone?

Well, I'd steal it, too. The problem is, that doesn't make it right.

I'm not saying that immigrants steal jobs. A person takes a job, and spends the money in the community, and it is circulated. That's fine.

The point that I want to make is simply that I don't want people stealing their citizenship in the US. I want them to earn it. You have a right to be a citizen somewhere. You just don't get your choice of locality, and free transferrance. We have systems in place to allow legal immigrants. These systems are handicapped by illegal immigration.

What I'm saying is...If you're going to bypass the legal immigration system en masse, you're bringing the negative in with the positive. We're getting people who are running from the law coming into our country, and we'll never know that under their original identity, they killed people, etc.

The overwhelming message I've been hearing lately is not that we have a problem with legal immigrants, but the illegal immigrants. People aren't racist, they just don't want people bypassing the system. I saw on TV a man screaming at an anti-protester at the rally in Dallas. He was screaming how he had a right to be here, and he was a legal citizen. The anti-protester shook his hand and said "We're happy with you, we want you here. You represent what we want."

I guess the problem is the protestors don't quite understand what their opposition is saying.

Protesting in spanish to gain support for living illegally in a primarily english speaking country is ignorance. I thought that was bizzare when I saw it.

 

[aidanjm]

I think many people have an unvoiced fear that some other group is going to take what's theirs. Scapegoating immigrants, saying they are responsible for a country's problems, is about exploiting those primal fears. It's sad. I like immigrants too, how can you blame people for seeking a better life?

 

[SoylentG]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think many people have an unvoiced fear that some other group is going to take what's theirs. Scapegoating immigrants, saying they are responsible for a country's problems, is about exploiting those primal fears. It's sad. I like immigrants too, how can you blame people for seeking a better life?

Most of the reasonable posts were more worried about people coming over illegally and bypassing the legal immigration system.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think many people have an unvoiced fear that some other group is going to take what's theirs. Scapegoating immigrants, saying they are responsible for a country's problems, is about exploiting those primal fears. It's sad. I like immigrants too, how can you blame people for seeking a better life?

We all like immigrants who work thru the system and earn their right to be here waiting in line with others. Mexico isn't the only country with loads of poor, just that they can walk by foot here. What kind of message is USA sending to Africa, China, India, when they see Mexican can sneak to USA and demadn citizenship while Africans, Chinese, Indians (and hundreds of other applying to come to USA) feel about that?

And if you really feel sad, I feel sad my fellow American business owner and corporate white collar criminals are screwing poor foreigners with low wages at same time don't pay fellow American decent wages, so they can live in mansion and drive nice cars. That makes me really sad.

 

[DukeN]

Biggest load of crap I ever heard. No amount of $$ could convince me to move to the US from Canada simply because of the ignorance and bigotry that runs rampant.

That's because Europe is racist, the USA isn't!

 

[rickon66]

I am an older person who has seen a lot more changes in the USA than some of you younger members. If we don't get our head out of our butt, our country as we know it is doomed. I cannot believe that our cowardly politicans are allowing a bunch of illegal aliens dictate to them on ANY matter. How dare these illegals march in our streets and demand ANYTHING. If the legal citizens don't wake up and demand reasonable immigration reform our country is in real trouble. What is happening now is the equivelent of Pearl Harbor, only the invaders are already here on our soil. This type of silent invasion is exacty what happened to the Roman civilization, they got too fat and lazy and allowed unchecked immigration for cheap labor. I just hope the sleeping lion will wake up, it may be too late already.

 

[CessnaFlyer]

Originally posted by: rickon66
I am an older person who has seen a lot more changes in the USA than some of you younger members. If we don't get our head out of our butt, our country as we know it is doomed. I cannot believe that our cowardly politicans are allowing a bunch of illegal aliens dictate to them on ANY matter. How dare these illegals march in our streets and demand ANYTHING. If the legal citizens don't wake up and demand reasonable immigration reform our country is in real trouble. What is happening now is the equivelent of Pearl Harbor, only the invaders are already here on our soil. This type of silent invasion is exacty what happened to the Roman civilization, they got too fat and lazy and allowed unchecked immigration for cheap labor. I just hope the sleeping lion will wake up, it may be too late already.

Ditto!

 

[VIAN]

Yeah, well, I don't like immigrants. The US has too many of them. We need immigrant population control. And they can't drive for crap - go visit Newark, New Jersey and you'll see what I mean. Along with the dirtiest streets I've ever seen.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: VIAN
Yeah, well, I don't like immigrants. The US has too many of them. We need immigrant population control. And they can't drive for crap - go visit Newark, New Jersey and you'll see what I mean. Along with the dirtiest streets I've ever seen.

This discussion isnt (or shouldnt be) about whether immigrants are "good" or not - of course they are. The diversity of ideas, values, and life experiences are what makes life vibrant and what keeps society moving forward. If someone has something of value to contribute to our society, they should come here, if they so desire - legally. There is no justification for breaking immigration law, although I think the law should be changed to allow for more legal immigrants. I have the utmost respect for those with the courage, fortitude, and desire to make a better life here legally. I have nothing but disdain for those who believe that their want for the benefits of life in the united states transcends their need to come here as did everyone who immigrated legally. Let's make it easier for them to come join us, instead of encouraging them to set a precedent for disrespect of the institution that enables them to dream of a better life.

 

[BigPatriot]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think many people have an unvoiced fear that some other group is going to take what's theirs. Scapegoating immigrants, saying they are responsible for a country's problems, is about exploiting those primal fears. It's sad. I like immigrants too, how can you blame people for seeking a better life?

We all like immigrants who work thru the system and earn their right to be here waiting in line with others. Mexico isn't the only country with loads of poor, just that they can walk by foot here. What kind of message is USA sending to Africa, China, India, when they see Mexican can sneak to USA and demadn citizenship while Africans, Chinese, Indians (and hundreds of other applying to come to USA) feel about that?

And if you really feel sad, I feel sad my fellow American business owner and corporate white collar criminals are screwing poor foreigners with low wages at same time don't pay fellow American decent wages, so they can live in mansion and drive nice cars. That makes me really sad.

I agree, why can Mexican's come here freely?

 

[SoylentG]

Originally posted by: BigPatriot

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I think many people have an unvoiced fear that some other group is going to take what's theirs. Scapegoating immigrants, saying they are responsible for a country's problems, is about exploiting those primal fears. It's sad. I like immigrants too, how can you blame people for seeking a better life?

We all like immigrants who work thru the system and earn their right to be here waiting in line with others. Mexico isn't the only country with loads of poor, just that they can walk by foot here. What kind of message is USA sending to Africa, China, India, when they see Mexican can sneak to USA and demadn citizenship while Africans, Chinese, Indians (and hundreds of other applying to come to USA) feel about that?

And if you really feel sad, I feel sad my fellow American business owner and corporate white collar criminals are screwing poor foreigners with low wages at same time don't pay fellow American decent wages, so they can live in mansion and drive nice cars. That makes me really sad.

I agree, why can Mexican's come here freely?

Because we haven't built the wall yet. Great wall of the USA! C'MON! (Lawls)