I NEED SUGGESTION PLS

[Todorov]

Hello

I am going to get me new computer this new year and my targets are

Athlon64 3000+(939socket) and nForce4,K8t890

But i have just seen the Athlon64 3000+(754socket) DTR that has 1MB Cache so i am confusing now which one is better the 754 DTR or the 939?

is my system is ok?

and anybody knows the price of the nForce4 and K8t890?

THANK YOU

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

You don't need to shout, we hear you.

939 is faster by 5% or better. Pay the extra money.
See chart below.
http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

 

[WuGahCha]

if u look at a 3000+ S754 vs 3000+ S939, performance would be very similar at STOCK

S754 would be a 2.0ghz newcastle, and S939 is 1.8ghz winchester, the 10% difference in clock spd makes up any dual channel and 90nm advantage.

but S939 winchesters over clocks a lot better, u can get it up to 2.4ghz-2.7ghz depends on ur mobo and some luck, S754 can go 2.4ghz ish with decent mobo.

then again, dual channel ram, and S939 mobo are a little more expensive than S754 counterparts. and Nforce4 will be expensive too at least for a couple month

Unless u want to OC or u dig pci-E from NF4, S754 would give u at least same performace for less money. if u want to OC, go with winchesters

 

[Todorov]

Yes Thank you! but..

-Wahtabout 3000+DTR???? Is it worse or better??

-and Which one is better between the Winchester and Newcastle cores??

All i want to know is which one is faster! and i do not Overclock!

Thank you

 

[Todorov]

Originally posted by: WuGahCha
if u look at a 3000+ S754 vs 3000+ S939, performance would be very similar at STOCK

S754 would be a 2.0ghz newcastle, and S939 is 1.8ghz winchester, the 10% difference in clock spd makes up any dual channel and 90nm advantage.

but S939 winchesters over clocks a lot better, u can get it up to 2.4ghz-2.7ghz depends on ur mobo and some luck, S754 can go 2.4ghz ish with decent mobo.

then again, dual channel ram, and S939 mobo are a little more expensive than S754 counterparts. and Nforce4 will be expensive too at least for a couple month

Unless u want to OC or u dig pci-E from NF4, S754 would give u at least same performace for less money. if u want to OC, go with winchesters

So i should better go for S754 right???

 

[Rike]

You should get 939 unless you want to buy a whole new mobo the next time you upgrade your processor. Only the 939 will give you the chance to upgrade to faster processors in the future. 754 is dead very soon in terms of the speed of processor you can get. Link

From link:

The AMD Athlon64 CPU is expected to continue on with 90nm SOI manufacturing process well into 2005, with the addition of SSE3 instructions on both the 'Venice', 'San Diego', and 'Palermo' cores. All of which are socket 939 processors; signaling the death call for socket 754 by Q3'05. The high end Athlon64 FX will be transition from 130nm SOI manufacturing process to 90nm SOI, and migrating to a dual core architecture with its 'San Diego' and 'Toledo' chips by Q2-Q3 2005.

 

[Todorov]

WELL, In Steam forums i have been told that"

"Do not buy any of the 754 pin Athlon 64s. They are the lower end models. The high performance Athlon 64s are 939 pin.
I suggest buying a 939 pin Athlon 64 with matching motherboard that is within your budget."


is this true??

 

[Rike]

Originally posted by: Todorov
WELL, In Steam forums i have been told that"

"Do not buy any of the 754 pin Athlon 64s. They are the lower end models. The high performance Athlon 64s are 939 pin.
I suggest buying a 939 pin Athlon 64 with matching motherboard that is within your budget."


is this true??

Basically, yes. That's not to say the 754's are bad. They are just dead ending and if you are going to buy new, buy something with a future for at least the next year or more.

 

[Todorov]

Okey so now which one is Worth if i....

Get S939 mobo like K8t890 with Athlon64 3000+(S754) or 3000+(S939)??

and I do not Over Clock

 

[WuGahCha]

well... buying a S939 mobo today and hope to get a dual core upgrade in a year and half is a pretty long shot I'd say

AMD is thinking about changing the pinout number with the dual core already, who knows if it will actually be S939 when it first comes out. For all we know S939 may die too with dual cores.

Even if u do want to upgrade to dual core later on, I dont see much differnce between selling ur S939 cpu and selling ur S754cpu+mobo. Even if they do use S939 mobos by that time, it will be much improved (optimized for dual core and pci-e) and cheaper than S939 mobo u can find today!!!

I dunno how much better dual core's will be, but I know they'll be expesnive at first for sure!

I dont see any reason for a non overclocker to go with a low end S939 chip right now, unless u want to spend big bucks on NF4 and get pci-E card...

I would save my 50 dollars today with S754, I mean, when u want to upgrade to dual core in 2 yrs, it can almost buy u a mobo by that time!

 

[WuGahCha]

oh btw, incase u do decide to go with S939, I wouldnt pay the preminum on the Kt890 or nf4 rite now, its not like u want a high end pc or want to OC

so just get something cheap, msi neo2-F or something, only major differences is pci-e and sli, if u build low-mid end pc, those things are just going to jack up ur invoice!!

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but seriously, there is no big difference between S754 and S939 if u dont overclock, save your money!!! That futureproof crap is just a marketing scam, its not for certain

 

[Rike]

Yeah, dual core on 939 is a long shot. Personally, I have a hard time buying tech that I know is deadending.

 

[Todorov]

ok if you were me what would you do..

1. I am buying Geforce 6600GT which is PCI-E interface

2. If Dual-Cores are expensive like AthlonFX at this time i wouldnt go for them, I would stay with the 145- 250$ CPUs

3. I am now going to get the 3000+(S754 either S939) and the only mobos that support PCI-E and 64 bits
are Via k8t890 and nForce4(both 939) they are the only 2 i know, and i do not Overclock

4.Now if you were me what would you pick?
- Viak8t890 or nForce4 or anything you say
- Athlon64 3000+ (S754 or S939)??

 

[WuGahCha]

they have 6600GT in AGP too, although maybe 20 bucks more expensive, but it still a lot less than going from a NF3/kt800 mobo to a NF4/kt8900!!!

dont worried about the 100 less memory clock on the agp 6600GT, XFX clock it at 1000 same as pci-e, and that extra power connector u have to connect wont kill your psu.

that SLi option is meant for high end guys only, (2X 6800gt) there is really no point in buying a 6600GT, and another 6600GT later, u can just get a 6800GT later and sell your 6600GT. less power demanding and better performance too.

anyway, paying the big bucks on the new boards just for pci-e is not really worth it

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as for S754 vs S939

If i buy it myself, i'd go with S939 ONLY because I plan to OC, I wont pay big money for NF4 neither

If i build one for my friend, I build him a S754 cuz i know he wont upgrade it for a year or two

 

[Todorov]

Yes Thank you but actually im not worrying about its clock im worrying about the Interface

what if there are other cards in the future that rock and cheap like 6600gt in the PCI-E interface that will become standard graphic port ,that means i wont be able to use it :[

 

[Crassus]

could be I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere that the GT will also be availible for AGP.
Considering that I would recommend you go with the 754 one for the following reason:

1. It seems it runs at a faster speed
2. you may not even be future-proof with a 939 mainboard

 

[Todorov]

Yes i would go for 754 for now if they have PCI-E! but they only have AGP

as i have said

im not worrying about its clock im worrying about the Interface

what if there are other cards in the future that rock and cheap like 6600gt in the PCI-E interface that will become standard graphic port ,that means i wont be able to use it :[

 

[Rike]

If you are set on PCIe w/ A64, you'll have to wait for nForce4 or the VIA PCIe solution. That's all there is to it, that means 939. I've seen no plans for 754 with PCIe, but I don't know everything.

 

[Todorov]

WAIT ?! How long do i have to wait for NF4 or VIA?? i have been waiting for very long longy time!

 

[imported_Darthan]

If you are into gaming then graphics are paramount and you really should go with a PCIe motherboard because it gives you the ability to upgrade the most important part of your system. The biggest point of slowdown in gaming is your graphics card (at least if you like resolutions above 800x600 and maye a little bit of antialiasing) so that will probably be the thing you want to upgrade next time you have the money for it. Since graphics cards are all going to be PCIe in the future...well there's really only one choice. The wait for NF4 or K8t890 sucks but it'll probably be worth it if you'll want to upgrade your graphics card in the future.

If you aren't interested in doing 3d then just get whatever is cheapest and most quickly available.

 

[WuGahCha]

ok Todorov

AGP will not extinct anytime soon. The fastest cards today can even run at full potential with agp 4X, so it will be quite a while before they out grow Agp 8X

Pci-E is marketing hype made my intel to make ppl buy their crap prescott 775.
I admit pci-e is nice to have since it delivers more power, but it is by no means necessary for another year or two.

After two years, most cards will be on pci-E, but by then your whole system would be crap, cpu, mobo, ram, everything by then upgrading just the video card wont do you good anyway

For now, AGP is just as good

 

[WuGahCha]

oh and if you are really picky on the video card stuff, think about it this way

u can save $150-$200 bucks going from a nf4 down to a cheap S754 board, and also dual channel ram savings. (less if you wait a month or 2, but still $100 difference i'd imagine)

with that money, u can upgrade from 6600GT to 6800GT!!! then for sure your cpu will crap out before your video card

 

[Rike]

Originally posted by: WuGahCha
ok Todorov

AGP will not extinct anytime soon. The fastest cards today can even run at full potential with agp 4X, so it will be quite a while before they out grow Agp 8X

Pci-E is marketing hype made my intel to make ppl buy their crap prescott 775.
I admit pci-e is nice to have since it delivers more power, but it is by no means necessary for another year or two.

After two years, most cards will be on pci-E, but by then your whole system would be crap, cpu, mobo, ram, everything by then upgrading just the video card wont do you good anyway

For now, AGP is just as good

All true. :thumbsup: Especially the "crap prescott" part.

 

[WuGahCha]

thx Rike, for rocking intel's sinking boat

after some thinking, the S754 vs S939 vs pcx-S939 thing comes down to timing. rite now, S754 mobos are considerbly cheaper, cuz they been around longer. NF4 board just come out, and should hit the shelfs in a month at $150 or so for the cheaper ones. If you are welling to wait for the price to come down a bit, then S939 platform maybe better. I seriously dont think you can find a pci-e board before new years at a resonable price

as much as I hate this, more cards are being release on pci-e first, which means they will need to be bridged for AGP, so 1 month more wait and maybe $20 more expensive. so thats 1 pci-e advantage

If you wait long enough, say 1/2 yr, then go for a NF4 with pci-e and get a 6600GT pci-e or wutever that's hip at that time. Maybe the 90nm with strained silicon and SSE3 would be out too by then.

for now, the extra cost of NF4 boards dont justify the lil advantage of pci-e

 

[Todorov]

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