I NEED SUGGESTION PLS

[ts3433]

The only one out of those two you can actually use is #1.
I am sure you meant a S939 A64 with #2. There isn't quite as much board selection on S939 at the moment as there is on S754, but Winchesters seem to be stellar overclockers nonetheless when put on good boards like the Epox NF3, and with this socket you'll probably be able to upgrade to PCIe more quickly in the event that it does become necessary before you do a complete overhaul of your system.

 

[WuGahCha]

I dunno how much you can get the mobos for

if difference between s939 and s754 mobo is within 10 dollars, go for s939, I live in canada, price screwed up over here

 

[Todorov]

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[ts3433]

No; I meant that having a S939 CPU will probably enable you to just do a board swap if PCIe becomes necessary sooner than expected. NF3 is an AGP chipset.

 

[overclock]

Your choices are really:

1.(Socket754 mobo) and (amd64 s754)
2.(Socket 939 mobo) and (amd64 s939)

If you figure out how to put a 754 in a 939 mobo you'll be the member of the year.


Check out my post in this thread on how to get a discount on certain motherboards. It is some work but in the end I'll wind up paying only $80 for my MSI Neo2 Platinum. Learn to work the system and get the best deal possible. I bought a Winchester 3000+ s939 from Newegg for $153. I wish Igram Micro stock those as well. Oh well.

 

[Todorov]

OK Thank you very much everybody

I get very useful information from all of you and i think i may have to wait till new year to see the price and the new release that may be better choice

Thanks again everybody
:thumbsup: cheer

 

[WuGahCha]

Originally posted by: ts3433
No; I meant that having a S939 CPU will probably enable you to just do a board swap if PCIe becomes necessary sooner than expected. NF3 is an AGP chipset.

lol first time i heard that idea, keep the cpu and swap the mobo for a better video card

 

[Todorov]

1 more question

anybody knows the sites that ship internationally like zipzoomfly??

 

[ts3433]

Originally posted by: WuGahCha

Originally posted by: ts3433
No; I meant that having a S939 CPU will probably enable you to just do a board swap if PCIe becomes necessary sooner than expected. NF3 is an AGP chipset.

lol first time i heard that idea, keep the cpu and swap the mobo for a better video card

That actually seems to be one of the main reasons why people recommend S939 so much now, so it's far from unheard of.

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

But that usually leads to a reformat when you switch out the MB.

I don't have much on my game machine, but it would be a pain to tear it all down and start over.
I'm going to stay with my FX53 for now, and then sell it when the FX57 comes out next year.
That will be a simple CPU swap.

 

[WuGahCha]

Originally posted by: ts3433

Originally posted by: WuGahCha

Originally posted by: ts3433
No; I meant that having a S939 CPU will probably enable you to just do a board swap if PCIe becomes necessary sooner than expected. NF3 is an AGP chipset.

lol first time i heard that idea, keep the cpu and swap the mobo for a better video card

That actually seems to be one of the main reasons why people recommend S939 so much now, so it's far from unheard of.

I think ppl tell u to go S939 cuz you CAN buy a pci-e board now, altough expensive, it'd be weird to tell you to get a nf3 board + agp card and upgrade to nf4+pci-e card later while keeping the same cpu o_0

 

[ts3433]

Sure, that's part of it now, but being able to go PCIe while keeping the same CPU was also why S939 was recommended a lot even before NF4 boards became available. It's seen as easier to do a board swap than to have to buy both a new board and new CPU, like you would have to if you initially bought S754 (it remains to be seen if PCIe boards will make it to this platform, even though it's not impossible to put NF4/K8T890? on such a board).

 

[WuGahCha]

the only advantage of NF4's pci-e over NF3's agp is SLI, and this dude is building on a budget, so i doubt the'll go SLI anytime soon

and SLI is useless unless u have 2 top end card, cuz 2 x 6600GT < 6800GT, while being more expensive, but 2X6800GT or ultra is unbeatable for now at least. SLi is a desperate way to sqeeze more performance. 2 cards doesnt double ur performance, it gives you 1.5X on avg at best, and very hard on the psu.

Average users shouldn't get caught up in the AMD vs Intel or ATI vs Nvidia war and get fooled by their marketing scams.

this is not like the transition from PCI -> AGP many years ago, when we actually needed it

and Like I said, current video cards aren't even using 1/2 of AGP8X potential, so by the time AGP becomes obsolete, ur CPU would be outdated anyway, who would spend 600 dollar on a high end card and keep a 2 yr old cpu????

and besides, they are proposing pci-e 2.0 now, wut u going to do with that?? keep swapping boards???

 

[ts3433]

I didn't say that I agreed with the PCIe hype (and I know cards have only really pushed AGP4x), but if it proves to be a legitimate necessity within the near future (which is something I can't predict), then he may as well have a S939 CPU for a somewhat easier transition. The current lack of a performance increase from PCIe right now was the whole point behind my recommendation of an NF3 board for the moment.

 

[WuGahCha]

ah wutever i give up
yes yes, in 1/2 year they mite stick 4 X GF 6899 uber ultra gpus in a big videocard and it will be pci-e only cuz AGP8X cant handle anymore

and you could pitch in a couple thousand dollars to get the card and the NF4 mobo, while saving yourself a whopping $150 dollars cuz u already have a 1.8Ghz 3000+ for S939, and then try to find a buyer for your NF3 mobo w/o CPU

 

[imported_Darthan]

It isn't a question of what AGP is good enough to handle. Yes, PCIe won't help you run the card faster but graphics card makers aren't going to be making AGP cards in the mid to high end ranges. If Todorov wants to game on his rig then the main thing to upgrade will be the graphics card. Even two years from now his rig won't be crap at all, it'll probably still have a faster CPU than 50-75% of computers out there and game makers generally write their games so they can run on less then maxed out systems. It is generally the graphics which stress systems the most since games are programmed to run on the average CPU, not the best CPUs. To get top end graphics performance you have have a good graphics card though. Also, if you look at the AMD roadmap on the front page you'll note that there isn't going to be that much improvement in CPU speeds over the course of all of 2005. They are introducing just one faster desktop processor in all of 2005. That means prices will stay fairly stable and common CPU speeds won't increase much and games have to be programmed for the average CPU so that they have a big enough audience who can buy them.

Also, PCIe won't improve graphics card performance, but it allows you to have faster running PCIe cards and cards with their own dedicated bus (so your hard drives don't have to share just 133MB/sec with your soundcard and gigabit LAN). This won't make a big difference for everyone but it is very nice for people who might want to be using all three of those at once.