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shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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My understanding from hardcore fans is 1 and 2 are awesome, and 4 is acceptable. 3 is not quite good enough.
 

Gibsons

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Aug 14, 2001
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I liked both civ III and IV, IV definitely plays nicer though. Waiting for V to drop in price before I try it out.

Same here, mostly. IV was to me, just a very much improved version of III. Which was about all I'd ask for. I liked III a lot, but IV was hall of fame material.


I'm waiting for more than just a drop in price before I buy V though. Looks like it just isn't as deep or fun right now. I would have been quite happy with an improved expanded IV. With a hex map.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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I love RoN, I still play it.

When it first came out it was one of the best concepts and Hybrids of Turn based/RTS ever. Recently I played it for a bit and quickly got bored by it. Just seemed like too much repetition and limited variety. I'd like to see a new version made with a few Gameplay improvements and Mission types added.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Nov 19, 2004
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Agreed. But make sure you get the expansions, too. I think the gold (or total/complete?) version is only like 40 bucks and has Warlords and Beyond the Sword, plus the Colonization game too.

Beyond the sword really is what makes Civ4 great.

Does that add diplomacy or something?
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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When it first came out it was one of the best concepts and Hybrids of Turn based/RTS ever. Recently I played it for a bit and quickly got bored by it. Just seemed like too much repetition and limited variety. I'd like to see a new version made with a few Gameplay improvements and Mission types added.

I loved RoN. wonder if I still have it somewhere? :hmm:....


also, I loved Civ III. It's the first one that I played extensively, after getting sucked into Civ II while house/mutt-sitting one summer. I don't know, I think Civ III is damn good.

hater gonna hate, i guess. Though I do agree that the late-game turns are mind-numbingly long. Of course, you always have the option to turn off those animations.
 

paperfist

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My understanding from hardcore fans is 1 and 2 are awesome, and 4 is acceptable. 3 is not quite good enough.

I think people just say that cause they like to think they discovered such great games from long ago before gaming was cool. Even though I played those two I can't honestly remember much from them

This is I:


Does that add diplomacy or something?

Oh boy it's called an expansion but it was more like a whole new game at expansion prices. You got something like 10 new civs and 18 leaders (ha 2K wants $5 for one leader now ), corporations, espionage, some new wonders, loads of wicked cool scenarios, and some other stuff.
 
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MentalIlness

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Grabbed it off steam for $5, i'm offically addicted...is it worth to buy CivIV right off the bat or should i wait to get more familar with the game's system?

Two months ago, I purchased the Digital copy of Civilization IV on Gamestop. And it came complete with all the expansions.

It was only $10

I got...

Civilization IV
Beyond The Sword
Colonization
Warlords
 

Bateluer

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Jun 23, 2001
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Until Civ5 has its head pulled from its behind, I'd say Civ4 for under 10 dollars is a fantastic deal.
 

Maximilian

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Feb 8, 2004
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Just curious but what do you guys think of call to power and call to power 2? Were they popular? I remember having fun with them
 

sandorski

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Just curious but what do you guys think of call to power and call to power 2? Were they popular? I remember having fun with them

I played Call to Power for awhile, but it just didn't match Civ for me. Been years, but I recall a number of annoyances. Now that you have mentioned it and I see my disk of it, I'm half tempted to try Installing it. Not sure if it will work in Win 7/64 though.
 

postmortemIA

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Just curious but what do you guys think of call to power and call to power 2? Were they popular? I remember having fun with them

every civ fan despises these abominations

although they had some interesting moments, they really are bad copy of civ series
 
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Bateluer

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Jun 23, 2001
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every civ fan despises these abominations

although they had some interesting moments, they really are bad copy of civ series

Never played them myself, seems people didn't really like them. One(both?) is available from GoG, for what thats worth.
 

blastingcap

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So, should i grab CivIV or look somewhere else for my RTS feeding?

If you like tactical combat (and it sounds like you might, with all your army-moving and such), consider the Total War series. It's sort of like Civ Lite but with tactical combat and some other, smaller changes.
 

Rebel_L

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As someone who played Civ I back in the day I will say that Civ 3 was my least favorite (havnt played 5 so I have no comment on that).

Civ 1 was a great new style of game for me when it came out, who dosnt want to build up a civilization and conquer the world.

Civ 2 was just Civ 1 with more... more units, wonders, and tech, but the biggest difference between the 2 was the combat system. I remember never building battleships in Civ 1 because they had this really bad habit of dying when attacking a phalanx. Once I remember the AI trying to take one of my cities, he took out all of my defending mech inf's, but then on his last attack of the turn my settler took out his last attacking unit. Civ 2 fixed that in battles where one unit should clearly win it always did.

Civ 3 I was very excited about when I was first reading about it, resources that affected what units you could build, generals that could make armies and the my favorite new idea, cultural borders seemed a great idea. I have always built fewer cities spread far apart because I never build cities with less than 3 special resources (well unless I needed a canal or could close off a choke point). The problem with that of course is that any AI you make friends with comes and builds cities in your territory because there is space between your cities, I figured cultural borders would let me actually try to play nice with other civs for a change and give diplomacy a try. Well not only did the cultural borders not stop friendly AI's from building cities in my territory but the combat system was "refined" to function much more like the civ 1 system again. Every half dozen to a dozen attacks the game decided that a unit of mine should die, no matter what it was attacking. I never played more than a few games before I gave up and just went back to civ 2.

Civ 4 I gave a try when it came out and was rather happy with. Cultural borders let me build spaced out cities without AI's settling in between. Combat although not perfect works again (Im not a big fan of early game combat in civ4 with all the counters between the units so that you need huge amounts of units to capture anything since the defender always seems to have at least one unit to counters all your attacking strengths so your always loosing a few units with every city you take, there is a few other things I missed from the earlier games as far as combat goes as well, but with modding you can always change what you want to your hearts content). Religion did take some adjusting too, but I enjoy it.

Civ 4 is what I play now, i havnt tried 5 yet (although it really sounds like 1upt has some issues to work out still before I would enjoy it). Civ 2 I sometimes get the urge to load up, but whenever I get the urge it goes away before I can get it installed since it takes mucking around with to try and get it to work on windows 7.

So while this is mostly just me rambling on about a game I have spent way to much time playing over the years, if you find that what annoys me about civ 3 also bothers you then I would say that Civ 4 would well worth giving a try. If those things dont bother you then I would be more inclined to try a different game instead and give 4 or 5 a try when you feel the urge to play Civ again in the future.
 

zinfamous

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As someone who played Civ I back in the day I will say that Civ 3 was my least favorite (havnt played 5 so I have no comment on that).

Civ 1 was a great new style of game for me when it came out, who dosnt want to build up a civilization and conquer the world.

Civ 2 was just Civ 1 with more... more units, wonders, and tech, but the biggest difference between the 2 was the combat system. I remember never building battleships in Civ 1 because they had this really bad habit of dying when attacking a phalanx. Once I remember the AI trying to take one of my cities, he took out all of my defending mech inf's, but then on his last attack of the turn my settler took out his last attacking unit. Civ 2 fixed that in battles where one unit should clearly win it always did.

Civ 3 I was very excited about when I was first reading about it, resources that affected what units you could build, generals that could make armies and the my favorite new idea, cultural borders seemed a great idea. I have always built fewer cities spread far apart because I never build cities with less than 3 special resources (well unless I needed a canal or could close off a choke point). The problem with that of course is that any AI you make friends with comes and builds cities in your territory because there is space between your cities, I figured cultural borders would let me actually try to play nice with other civs for a change and give diplomacy a try. Well not only did the cultural borders not stop friendly AI's from building cities in my territory but the combat system was "refined" to function much more like the civ 1 system again. Every half dozen to a dozen attacks the game decided that a unit of mine should die, no matter what it was attacking. I never played more than a few games before I gave up and just went back to civ 2.

Civ 4 I gave a try when it came out and was rather happy with. Cultural borders let me build spaced out cities without AI's settling in between. Combat although not perfect works again (Im not a big fan of early game combat in civ4 with all the counters between the units so that you need huge amounts of units to capture anything since the defender always seems to have at least one unit to counters all your attacking strengths so your always loosing a few units with every city you take, there is a few other things I missed from the earlier games as far as combat goes as well, but with modding you can always change what you want to your hearts content). Religion did take some adjusting too, but I enjoy it.

Civ 4 is what I play now, i havnt tried 5 yet (although it really sounds like 1upt has some issues to work out still before I would enjoy it). Civ 2 I sometimes get the urge to load up, but whenever I get the urge it goes away before I can get it installed since it takes mucking around with to try and get it to work on windows 7.

So while this is mostly just me rambling on about a game I have spent way to much time playing over the years, if you find that what annoys me about civ 3 also bothers you then I would say that Civ 4 would well worth giving a try. If those things dont bother you then I would be more inclined to try a different game instead and give 4 or 5 a try when you feel the urge to play Civ again in the future.

the thing that worked for me with cultural borders in Civ3, and how I sued them to my advantage, was that I would make walls with my cities. I, too, was annoyed when some Civ would toss a settler into the one resource tile that I was holding out on, when it was clearly in "my territory," but it wasn't really a problem. soon enough, my awesome wonders and cultural empire would spread borders into their zone, the citizens would defect and join me peacefully.

Sure, many turns late, but you end up with a lot of free cities that way. Of course, the AI never properly upgraded their cities...so you never got to much for free.

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OCNewbie

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As someone brand new to the Civilization franchise, what components of Civ 4 Complete should I install? Or do you have to install everything? Should I install everything?
 

paperfist

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As someone brand new to the Civilization franchise, what components of Civ 4 Complete should I install? Or do you have to install everything? Should I install everything?

I don't see the point of installing the base game only so I would install Civ + BtS expansion. You don't need the first expansion, Warlords, but it has some very nice scenarios included if you want to play those.
 
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