I realized something about religion...

[madworm]

Originally posted by: Savij
So you're saying hindus are dumb...

There is a difference between being religious and being spiritual. and I think hindus are more Spiritual than religious...in a sense...

a spiritual person should have a more evolved knowledge of life and intelligence of the being ...that's what i think...

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
It's a limit equation thing, where God is approaching 0, but never actually reaches 0.

So soon we'll get a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 god-like figure soon, or are we already at .99999999999999999999999999999?

 

[jme5343]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

Me thinks you did a lot of praying while CU was getting thrashed this weekend. It didn't work out, now you're pissed. So, you're bashing religion.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
"GET YOUR LAWN CHAIRS AND COLD BEERS HERE!!!! THREE FOR $10!!!!"

$10, what.... Can't you give me a better deal?



BTW... I don't think
Pascal was an idiot, yet he was a Christian.
Einstein was a Pantheist.
Thomas Jefferson was a Christian (but he had a different take on it).
Newton believed in G-d and he even started to go into Mysticism (yet he was a profound genious).

Thomas Jefferson was a deist, at least i think so, or am I thinking of someone else??? (sp?) (i.e. he was not an atheist as many believe)

Jefferson was a deist, as were a number of important founders.

 

[spikespiegal]

Then there's Rome. The Romans switched/adopted different Religions throughout its' history. They seemed to view Religion the way we view Fashion. Not as something to hold onto, but as something to adopt if it seemed like the thing to do at the time

I was going to mention that before you did. The Romans were poly-theists, or basically Pagan adopting many religions, or actually combining aspects of them for their own tastes.

Romans converted to Christianity, and Rome fell apart not long after. Took 1500 years for humanity to catch back up.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Then there's Rome. The Romans switched/adopted different Religions throughout its' history. They seemed to view Religion the way we view Fashion. Not as something to hold onto, but as something to adopt if it seemed like the thing to do at the time

I was going to mention that before you did. The Romans were poly-theists, or basically Pagan adopting many religions, or actually combining aspects of them for their own tastes.

Romans converted to Christianity, and Rome fell apart not long after. Took 1500 years for humanity to catch back up.

You're right... there weren't any monotheistic religions in Rome, like Mithra or Sol Invictus, prior to Constantine....

:roll:

edit: and most "polytheist" religions don't have a concept of a singular Almighty God, like Brahman to Hindus or Zeus to the ancient Greeks.... nah, we'll just generalize those away...

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
If there were only one God there would be few, if any wars. Since there is a great deal of unrest around the world I think people still believe in more than one God.

"The last time people mixed politics and religion people were burned at the stake."

As soon as you prove there is a) a God, and b) which one is the correct God; I will go to church. Until then, I abstain.

Blaming religion for war is like blaming handguns for murders.

How many murders claim that their handgun told them if the world doesn't convert to smith and wessonism they might be killed? How many handguns teach people that wonderful things await them if they die in service to their religion? A religion is completely different animal than an inaminate object. Do you believe if there were no religion that the world trade centers would still have been destroyed?

To be a bit more eloquent: A handgun is never a motive for murder, only a tool used to do it. Religion is often a motive for murder.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Vic

Blaming religion for war is like blaming handguns for murders.

You cannot dispute the fact that if there are no guns, there cannot be any shootings.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
If there were only one God there would be few, if any wars. Since there is a great deal of unrest around the world I think people still believe in more than one God.

"The last time people mixed politics and religion people were burned at the stake."

As soon as you prove there is a) a God, and b) which one is the correct God; I will go to church. Until then, I abstain.

Blaming religion for war is like blaming handguns for murders.

How many murders claim that their handgun told them if the world doesn't convert to smith and wessonism they might be killed? How many handguns teach people that wonderful things await them if they die in service to their religion? A religion is completely different animal than an inaminate object. Do you believe if there were no religion that the world trade centers would still have been destroyed?

Priests don't kill people, Only people who's God tells them to.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Vic

Blaming religion for war is like blaming handguns for murders.

You cannot dispute the fact that if there are no guns, there cannot be any shootings.

There would still be murders though.

 

[Madwand1]

There is monotheism in Hinduism as well. And there are two different versions of this -- one of which is that God has many aspects, and it's acceptable to worship one of those aspects as a particular deity (under which category, broadly speaking, one might also find Jesus worshipped in Hinduism), and the other is that all but one of these deities is false, and there is only one appropriate God worthy of worship in Hinduism.

The broader monotheistic view takes the first approach. That after all, God is One, and it doesn't matter which path or aspect you chose to follow; all roads lead to Him.

http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/beliefs/theism.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_views_on_monotheism
http://www.dlshq.org/discourse/may2002.htm

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. l
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so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?
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You mean the more gods people give lip service to, while at the same thime their actual gods are really money, sex, alcohol, vicodin, fame, power, etc. That's what's the masses are pouring forth their life energies toward, i.e.; worshiping. Plenty of false gods bobbing around in a sea of confusion..

won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

No, except for people who live only on the surface of life, impoverished of any sense of inner connectedness with all of creation. Mankind needs more emphasis on that.

 

[Midlander]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
"GET YOUR LAWN CHAIRS AND COLD BEERS HERE!!!! THREE FOR $10!!!!"

*Grabs a chair and beer, apologizes for being late, and sends $10 to MJ*

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Vic

Blaming religion for war is like blaming handguns for murders.

You cannot dispute the fact that if there are no guns, there cannot be any shootings.

You also can't dispute the fact that if there are no [insert item here], there cannot be any [insert word related to murdering a human being here].

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

We're already at the point where many people aren't going to church and are ceasing to believe in a god. Just look at Europe, half of the people there are probably athiest.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

We're already at the point where many people aren't going to church and are ceasing to believe in a god. Just look at Europe, half of the people there are probably athiest.

Are you quoting a study or just making stuff up?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Homerboy

one can only hope...

I have already evolved to that point.. my brain cant even comprehend how people are such sheep and follow a book that was written for all we know as fiction 1000s of years ago.. and follow a being that never has showed himself or proved himself to be anything other than a myth like bigfoot or loch ness

Evolved? Oh common. Kinda high on yourself?
THere are MANY religious people that don't fallow a specific book. People that simply believe in a higher being that isn't confined to the specific teachings of a singular book.

Please get off your high horse. You're no more "evolved" than anyone.

LOL.. yah becasue Im smart enough to releaze the only thing we have to blame for our hardships or our triumphs is OURSELVES.. I dont need some fvcking idiotic spirit or book to tell me what to do or how to live...or the need to be hand held into beleiveing that death is more than death and wormfood.. people are so insecure that they have to invent an heaven and a hell to scare people into living well..

well its all bullspit..
it comes down to YOU... ONLY YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING A GOOD PERSON MAKING YOURSELF SOMETHING.
there is no afterlife.. there is no Adam and freaking Eve...you inbred thinking idiots..
There is no Arc.. there is no nothing its all stories..

do you people even reaize how stupid these books are?

the human race did not come from 2 people that were mystically POOFED onto the planet.. if so the entire human race is related and inbred you sick fvcks..

2 of every animal on a boat... yah right..
there may have been a guy named JC.. but he wasnt anything any more special than todays magicians and illusionists..

the entire religion thing is a a huge moral scam designed to keep people in line.. casue they are to feebleminded to think for themselves..

we evolved... we will die and turn to dirt.. and the cycle begins again.. we are not special.. we are just an evolved animal that destroys its habitat and all around it..

You and most religious fundamentalists are of the same mindset, just pointing in differnet directions.


To the OP: Many of the most advanced/intelligent cultures in history were polythiestic. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc...

I understand Greeks and Egyptians, but are you talking about the Italians when you say Romans?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Obligatory lawn chair and :beer: post.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

That's funny, the single biggest decrease in the number of gods people believed in in history directly preceded the greatest technological collapse in history.

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

That's funny, the single biggest decrease in the number of gods people believed in in history directly preceded the greatest technological collapse in history.

?

 

[TheChort]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
"GET YOUR LAWN CHAIRS AND COLD BEERS HERE!!!! THREE FOR $10!!!!"

I got my own lawnchair, but I'll give you $5 for the beer

edit: and just so i don't completely nef this post...

OP, your observations seem correct in a really simplified sort of way, but your prediction about the future seems pretty simplified too.

oh, and just because you're right doesn't mean you can't be an idiot

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: JohnCU
the more primitive and... well less-intelligent a society is, the more gods they have. like, years and years ago people had sun gods and moon gods and all kinds of gods for things they didn't understand...

but as we became more intelligent, each of these gods went away because we didn't need them because we now understand how the sun works and the moon works and why it rains, etc.

so, now we are down to 1, won't we eventually be smart enough to not need that one, too?

BTW: i grew up in the bible belt and have not been exposed to many different types of religion so excuse my ignorance.

That's funny, the single biggest decrease in the number of gods people believed in in history directly preceded the greatest technological collapse in history.

?

Switch to 100 posts per page and look for "Romans"

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: Jeff7
It's a limit equation thing, where God is approaching 0, but never actually reaches 0.

So soon we'll get a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 god-like figure soon, or are we already at .99999999999999999999999999999?

It's sinusoidal, but the range of ? is only (0,90).

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: K1052

To the OP: Many of the most advanced/intelligent cultures in history were polythiestic. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc...

but they aren't nearly as technologically advanced/intelligent as we are. for their time, yes.

There have been a few thousand years of philosophy and advancement since then so they are incomparable in the way you suggest. The fact remains the polythiestic cultures are resoponsible for a lot of the foundations of modern ones.

The rise of monothiesm did not necessarily spur advancement. The Roman Catholic church is living proof of that.

I thought the OP was arguing the converse