I3 6320 or I7 6700?

jesuspaiditall

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I am currently running a Pentium g4400 with a GTX 750TI. The only games I really play are PoE, LoL and some Skyrim. The highest resolution I plan on using is 1080P. The 6320 is tempting because of the price and high base clock. Is the I7 6700 really that much better than the I3 for my use to justify the much higher price?
 

DrMrLordX

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PoE = pillars of eternity? Been playin that myself . . . my Monk just wrecked Normal mode.

Anyway none of those games are particularly multithread-friendly. If those are the only games you intend to play then the 6320 might actually work out better for you. Only real advantage to the 6700 for you is that it may turbo up to 4 GHz on a fairly regular basis when playing such lightly-threaded games. Or you can tinker with the UEFI and lock in that clockspeed for all cores.
 

nerp

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The i3 would be nice and capable. The question is do you need more cores. My i7-6700 pushes 4GHz while gaming.
 

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Is the I7 6700 really that much better than the I3 for my use to justify the much higher price?
i7 is not justified in your case, but i5 might be. In fact, in your place I would choose between i3 6100 for the low price, or the i5 (6500 or 6600k) for the extra muscle. Other SKUs are simply not worth it from a perf/$ perspective.

If you are willing to do a mild overclock and manage to find a really good deal on a Z170 mainboard, the i5 6600k clocked to something like 4.4-4.6Ghz might be a good deal. Not only do you gain single threaded performance from the higher clocks, but you also gain some by moving from a 4 threaded CPU via Hyper Threading to a true 4 core CPU.

If overclocking is not somehting you'd consider, go for either i3 6100 or i5 6500. The first is best bang for the buck, 200Mhz less will simply not affect you in any significant way (-5% performance, oh noes), the second is best choice for the years to come, with a lot more stamina for the future (MMOs are bound to upgrade their engines to DX12/Vulkan as well).
 
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Jimzz

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Yea why those 2? An i5 makes most sense as many games actually perform worse with HT.
 

Ken g6

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I am currently running a Pentium g4400 with a GTX 750TI.
So, you're already on a Skylake Pentium, and you just want a faster chip to plug in? I guess the question is whether you want more CPU speed or GPU speed.

I suppose if you can afford an i7-6700 ($300), then you should be able to afford an i3-6100 (~$120) and the upcoming AMD RX 470 (~$150 MSRP). That would give you a balanced gaming boost.

Alternatively, do you happen to already own a Z170 board? There's a small chance you could overclock the chip you already have.
 

TheELF

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If you are willing to do a mild overclock and manage to find a really good deal on a Z170 mainboard, the i5 6600k clocked to something like 4.4-4.6Ghz might be a good deal. Not only do you gain single threaded performance from the higher clocks, but you also gain some by moving from a 4 threaded CPU via Hyper Threading to a true 4 core CPU.
Actually just getting the mobo and overclocking his pentium would be more then enough for now,basically he should report on if he even has any problems with the stock clocks because he should be able to run those games very well as is.
 
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I agree with Ken g6. For a video card, wait for the RX 470. The 480 is massive overkill for the games the op plays at 1080p. Use the savings to move up to at least an i5 6500.
 

Magic Carpet

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Is the I7 6700 really that much better than the I3 for my use to justify the much higher price?
If you ask that question, then I would probably say yes. Minimum is a true quad these days, not these 2C/4T rejects. Even for desktop multi-tasking i3's are dogs! Hell, even my 6 year-old Thuban feels much smoother in these tasks compared to my i3-3240. Buy 6700 or 6700K. You will thank yourself later.
 
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Magic Carpet

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Are you basing all your estimations of i3 performance on the i3-3240?
6100 isn't much faster than Ivy in regular workloads. Hell, just open up Chrome and see how many threads it can use. The days of only ST performance are gone, you need both ST and MT. Windows 10 loves cores as well. Why bottleneck yourself from day one? Might as well pay more, and enjoy your system the way it was designed. Hell, 6C/12T is what you should really buy today if you care about performance and you guys are still recommending i3's.., thinking I am writing this from my C2D and it's still fine. Unbelievable!
 
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jesuspaiditall

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I already have a B150 chipset motherboard. I am just looking to upgrade the cpu. I am happy with my current GPU performance. Looks like I should be looking into I5 or I7 then.
 

nerp

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i3-6100 is more capable than Magic Carpet describes, IMHO.
 

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6100 isn't much faster than Ivy in regular workloads. Hell, just open up Chrome and see how many threads it can use. The days of only ST performance are gone, you need both ST and MT. Windows 10 loves cores as well. Why bottleneck yourself from day one? Might as well pay more, and enjoy your system the way it was designed. Hell, 6C/12T is what you should really buy today if you care about performance and you guys are still recommending i3's.., thinking I am writing this from my C2D and it's still fine. Unbelievable!

You are flat out wrong, Skylake i3 is much faster than Ivy.

http://pclab.pl/art66945-13.html

Look at the first set of pages that show stock speeds only. The Ivy i3 3225 is near the bottom on pretty much everything. The Skylake i3 6100 is near the top. I'm being as fair as possible using only the i3-6100 for comparison.

GTA V - Skylake 38.8 fps vs Ivy 28.1 fps
Witcher 3 - Skylake 69.2 fps vs Ivy 51.9 fps
Watch Dogs - Skylake 46 fps vs Ivy 34.8 fps

I could go on, but you should get the idea.
Note they used DDR3 2133 for the Ivy which many on a budget don't even bother with, and they used DDR4 2666 on the Skylake platform which isn't slow, but not even remotely the fastest they could have used. They were not unfair in the parts used. They didn't hobble or bottleneck the older platform in any way.
 

DrMrLordX

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Hell, 6C/12T is what you should really buy today if you care about performance

Read the OP. He's playing Pillars of Eternity, League of Legends, and Skyrim. Care to explain why he needs a 5820k for that?

I'm sure the 6100 will do him just fine, as would the 6320 (though the value of the expenditure there is questionable).
 
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The i3 is fine for everyday use, and would also be fine for the games the op mentioned. However, I still would recommend at least the i5 6500, just in case one decides to play more demanding games.
 

nerp

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i5 would be nice, sure. But TBH, if someone starts with an i3, it's almost better to save a little longer and jump to an i7 with the same socket if you plan on upgrading, skipping the i5. I3 6100 to i5-6500 would almost feel like a sidegrade unless you're doing something that seriously, seriously benefits from a couple of extra cores.
 

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6100 isn't much faster than Ivy in regular workloads. Hell, just open up Chrome and see how many threads it can use. The days of only ST performance are gone, you need both ST and MT. Windows 10 loves cores as well. Why bottleneck yourself from day one? Might as well pay more, and enjoy your system the way it was designed. Hell, 6C/12T is what you should really buy today if you care about performance and you guys are still recommending i3's.., thinking I am writing this from my C2D and it's still fine. Unbelievable!

While I agree that he should opt for an i5, I don't at all agree with your overall assessment of the i3 in general and Sandy i3 vs Skylake i3 in particular. There's a big difference in any workload that isn't bottlenecked by another piece of hardware first. I would like to know the source of your data that you're drawing these conclusions from.
 
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i5 would be nice, sure. But TBH, if someone starts with an i3, it's almost better to save a little longer and jump to an i7 with the same socket if you plan on upgrading, skipping the i5. I3 6100 to i5-6500 would almost feel like a sidegrade unless you're doing something that seriously, seriously benefits from a couple of extra cores.

Well, if you arent doing anything that benefits from a couple of extra cores, why would you need an i7? Would that not seem like a "sidegrade" as well then? Yes, an i7 would be nice, but I think a 6500 or 6600k is an adequate compromise, while I would hesitate to recommend an i3 at all for a gaming rig.

And buying a cheap processor and upgrading later never did make sense to me. If you buy an i3 and upgrade to an i7, you will be spending 500.00 for the two processors, twice what an i5 would cost.
 

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Go for more cores and you wont regret it, definetely a core i5, stay away from dualcores on Intels side, modern software is multicore aware, windows 10 benefits tremendously from more cores and modern apis like dx12 and vulkan make good use of multicores.
 

nerp

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Well, if you arent doing anything that benefits from a couple of extra cores, why would you need an i7? Would that not seem like a "sidegrade" as well then? Yes, an i7 would be nice, but I think a 6500 or 6600k is an adequate compromise, while I would hesitate to recommend an i3 at all for a gaming rig.

And buying a cheap processor and upgrading later never did make sense to me. If you buy an i3 and upgrade to an i7, you will be spending 500.00 for the two processors, twice what an i5 would cost.

The i7 has faster single threaded performance at equivalent clock speeds over i5 and i3. That's one reason. Another is that if you're upgrading from an i3 or Pentium Gxxxxx the jump to i5 would be hard to notice in most cases. And chances are you might LOSE single threaded performance, say going to a 2.7 ghz i5 instead of the 3.7 ghz power of the i3.

Also, some people have a limited budget and can only spend so much at first to build a system. It's not hard to slap together $400 for a platform/case/psu. With an i7 to start, that figure suddenly is $600. But once that $400 system is built, you're up and running and can set aside some cash here and there and eventually upgrade. That is more appealing for many folks over having NO computer for a few more months.

Also, old CPUs can be sold and offloaded to secondary machines.

I do agree in principle that it's best to buy as much as you can get at first and avoid upgrading down the road. But in reality, many people need something in the short term and can only finance higher-spec components over time. I appreciate that everyone is in a different situation and various constraints make upgrading a reasonable way to have hardware you need and eventually transition into hardware you want.

I personally went from i3 to i7 out of pure desire, not need. I could have afforded an i7 at first but my thought process at the time was I wouldn't game and wouldn't need all the extra oomph of the i7. I still don't _need_ any of it but I decided that I wanted the i7 for a few reasons. Things change. DOOM came out. I got a GTX1070. I realized that I could benefit from more cores with my workload, but I'm a unique case. Plus I had a need to build a low-cost box for a family member and it was easy to justify yanking the i3 and using it for that if I was upgrading my main box with an i7. The same process led me to go from 8 to 16 gb to 24 gb in my main machine, swapping 2 banks with 8gb chips from 4. Now I have a spare 8gb for that secondary machine I'm building with the extra i3. See? Upgrading can produce new computers. Can't argue against that!
 
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The i5 has turbo. Yes, the i5 6400 lacks clockspeed, but with a 6500 or 6600k you will lose very little single threaded performance, and gain four real cores. I would rather spend the 80 bucks or so initially and hope (a likely chance IMO) the i5 will be good enough indefinitely than to buy two cpus. After all, you can upgrade the i5 as well, but it is much less likely to need upgrading than an i3. Plus you will have a better experience until the upgrade.
 
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