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Sphexi

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1. If she could pay the deductible up front, then no issue. I'd cut her the slack and then some, I'd simply report the damage, she could give me the $300 for the deductible, and life goes on. But she can't even give me that, and I'm not going to pay phone tag with someone for the next few months for the money, especially when I'd have nothing to hold against her should she decide to tell me to shove off. Exactly how would I tell the insurance company later on that I lied when I told them I didn't know who did it, and now I want them to go after the person?

2. We gave her a few options, including us getting an estimate first. She wanted us to let her "cousin" or something do it, claimed that getting it all fixed up wouldn't be more than $700 tops, and she'd pay him off instead of us. That's great, except I'd like to be able to sell this car later, and having work like that done on it without the insurance company or a reputable body shop being involved might create issues if someone who looks at the car notices there's something off with the door.

3. I live in British Columbia, ICBC is our insurance company, it's a semi-government/semi-private company, they do licensing, insurance, claims, plates, all that jazz. Basically the DMV with insurance. It works out nice because they're everybody's company, so they don't make a big show about having to go to court to recoup their costs and all that. They give you a certain percentage off your insurance rate if you go a year without a ticket/accident that you're at fault. My wife is currently on her 10th year with no such accidents, gets like 40% off her rates easy, which applies to me as well. If one of us gets into an accident where we're at fault, that discount drops a few levels (it's split up into like 10 levels of discounts, and then the static rate, then a few levels of penalties/extra costs), depending on the accident and how bad it was it can drop multiple. Something like this would drop it one level, we'd go from 40% to 30% on our next payment, and it'd take a year to build back to 40%. Not horrible, and for what we pay it'd cost us like $150-$200 over the year, much better than paying a grand for a repair.

4. Her biggest concern is that she won't be able to get her license straight off, she'll have to wait an additional 6 months to prove she's a safe driver, which I 100% agree with. If she managed to hit a parked car, in a parking lot, with no other moving vehicles around, and she was driving without the proper guidance, I'd hate to think how she'll be on the roads once she finally gets her license. The way I see it if it goes through insurance, she gets some more practice time, it puts a little bit of the fear of God into her, and maybe she drives a little bit safer now that she knows what kind of penalties there are for making mistakes.
 

jagec

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You come off as a bit of a dick for most of it, but this:
Originally posted by: Sphexi
and that unless the repair was under $300 or so she couldn't afford it anyways.

is pretty :roll:. It's one thing if she's willing to pay straight-up for the repair, but she should really borrow money from friends or something if she isn't willing to pay for it fully.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
1. If she could pay the deductible up front, then no issue. I'd cut her the slack and then some, I'd simply report the damage, she could give me the $300 for the deductible, and life goes on. But she can't even give me that, and I'm not going to pay phone tag with someone for the next few months for the money, especially when I'd have nothing to hold against her should she decide to tell me to shove off. Exactly how would I tell the insurance company later on that I lied when I told them I didn't know who did it, and now I want them to go after the person?

2. We gave her a few options, including us getting an estimate first. She wanted us to let her "cousin" or something do it, claimed that getting it all fixed up wouldn't be more than $700 tops, and she'd pay him off instead of us. That's great, except I'd like to be able to sell this car later, and having work like that done on it without the insurance company or a reputable body shop being involved might create issues if someone who looks at the car notices there's something off with the door.

3. I live in British Columbia, ICBC is our insurance company, it's a semi-government/semi-private company, they do licensing, insurance, claims, plates, all that jazz. Basically the DMV with insurance. It works out nice because they're everybody's company, so they don't make a big show about having to go to court to recoup their costs and all that. They give you a certain percentage off your insurance rate if you go a year without a ticket/accident that you're at fault. My wife is currently on her 10th year with no such accidents, gets like 40% off her rates easy, which applies to me as well. If one of us gets into an accident where we're at fault, that discount drops a few levels (it's split up into like 10 levels of discounts, and then the static rate, then a few levels of penalties/extra costs), depending on the accident and how bad it was it can drop multiple. Something like this would drop it one level, we'd go from 40% to 30% on our next payment, and it'd take a year to build back to 40%. Not horrible, and for what we pay it'd cost us like $150-$200 over the year, much better than paying a grand for a repair.

4. Her biggest concern is that she won't be able to get her license straight off, she'll have to wait an additional 6 months to prove she's a safe driver, which I 100% agree with. If she managed to hit a parked car, in a parking lot, with no other moving vehicles around, and she was driving without the proper guidance, I'd hate to think how she'll be on the roads once she finally gets her license. The way I see it if it goes through insurance, she gets some more practice time, it puts a little bit of the fear of God into her, and maybe she drives a little bit safer now that she knows what kind of penalties there are for making mistakes.

1. You have to remember that she was honest enough to come forward and admit that she is guilty of dinging the car. Does that count for nothing? She could have left you up shit creek. I can't emphasize this enough: You're lucky to be getting anything. It's not your fault that she's a bad driver, and you don't have to do anything for her, but you should anyway. I'm not sure what that could be, however.

2. Yeah, you definitely don't want to go with some stranger that she happens to know.



4. I agree with this. She hit a parked car, so she's probably not ready to drive. It was very irresponsible and she definitely shouldn't be on the road just yet.
 

Eeezee

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Jul 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Eeezee
You're lucky she didn't just run. You've got to at least give her credit for that. Cut her some slack.

You must report it to the insurance company, but maybe slip her a few bucks for being a good person? I just don't want her to think of fleeing the scene next time since she got screwed for doing the right thing this time. It doesn't feel right. She fucked up and is paying for the consequences, but only because she did the right thing and left you a phone number. It feels strange, don't you agree?

Yep, she needs a reward for her honesty and I just happen to know the reward for it.

pearl necklace?

Nope, a mobile self elongating Christmas tree!

A nice Cleveland Steamer to go with that
 

Sphexi

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Feb 22, 2005
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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Sphexi
1. If she could pay the deductible up front, then no issue. I'd cut her the slack and then some, I'd simply report the damage, she could give me the $300 for the deductible, and life goes on. But she can't even give me that, and I'm not going to pay phone tag with someone for the next few months for the money, especially when I'd have nothing to hold against her should she decide to tell me to shove off. Exactly how would I tell the insurance company later on that I lied when I told them I didn't know who did it, and now I want them to go after the person?

2. We gave her a few options, including us getting an estimate first. She wanted us to let her "cousin" or something do it, claimed that getting it all fixed up wouldn't be more than $700 tops, and she'd pay him off instead of us. That's great, except I'd like to be able to sell this car later, and having work like that done on it without the insurance company or a reputable body shop being involved might create issues if someone who looks at the car notices there's something off with the door.

3. I live in British Columbia, ICBC is our insurance company, it's a semi-government/semi-private company, they do licensing, insurance, claims, plates, all that jazz. Basically the DMV with insurance. It works out nice because they're everybody's company, so they don't make a big show about having to go to court to recoup their costs and all that. They give you a certain percentage off your insurance rate if you go a year without a ticket/accident that you're at fault. My wife is currently on her 10th year with no such accidents, gets like 40% off her rates easy, which applies to me as well. If one of us gets into an accident where we're at fault, that discount drops a few levels (it's split up into like 10 levels of discounts, and then the static rate, then a few levels of penalties/extra costs), depending on the accident and how bad it was it can drop multiple. Something like this would drop it one level, we'd go from 40% to 30% on our next payment, and it'd take a year to build back to 40%. Not horrible, and for what we pay it'd cost us like $150-$200 over the year, much better than paying a grand for a repair.

4. Her biggest concern is that she won't be able to get her license straight off, she'll have to wait an additional 6 months to prove she's a safe driver, which I 100% agree with. If she managed to hit a parked car, in a parking lot, with no other moving vehicles around, and she was driving without the proper guidance, I'd hate to think how she'll be on the roads once she finally gets her license. The way I see it if it goes through insurance, she gets some more practice time, it puts a little bit of the fear of God into her, and maybe she drives a little bit safer now that she knows what kind of penalties there are for making mistakes.

1. You have to remember that she was honest enough to come forward and admit that she is guilty of dinging the car. Does that count for nothing? She could have left you up shit creek. I can't emphasize this enough: You're lucky to be getting anything. It's not your fault that she's a bad driver, and you don't have to do anything for her, but you should anyway. I'm not sure what that could be, however.

2. Yeah, you definitely don't want to go with some stranger that she happens to know.



4. I agree with this. She hit a parked car, so she's probably not ready to drive. It was very irresponsible and she definitely shouldn't be on the road just yet.

You have to remember that she only put her first name on the note, and put her friend's cell number, which makes it very hard to track her down, if at all. When we called and asked for her, the friend said she didn't know an Ashley, and she'd ask the owner of the phone. Then she called us back and said Ashley, I said "I'm sorry, Ashley who?", and she refused to give her last name. She obviously knew that the more information we had the worse off she'd be. That right there was enough for me to not trust her.

Yes, it was nice she left a note, but it really doesn't do a bit of good if they're not going to make good on anything. She was looking for any and every way out of this situation with her spending as little as possible, and not having to face any consequences, and I'm the one that's supposed to do something for her? I got work to go to, I gotta take my kids to appointments, I can't afford to shell out for repairs and then hope she's going to pay me back, that's why there's insurance. I gave her a few options I was okay with, all of them involved her paying us BEFORE we dealt with any repairs or insurance, which IMO is more than fair considering she's the one at fault, she refused all of them. She wanted to pay us after the fact, and there's no way I'll go with that since I'd have no legal recourse should things go south, and I'm betting she knew that.

So we'll go through insurance, hope they can track her down, or her mom at least, so we don't have to pay the deductible, but if necessary we will, and go on with life.



Also, pics and badly drawn MS Paint re-creations are up
 

rockyct

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Jun 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sphexi


You have to remember that she only put her first name on the note, and put her friend's cell number, which makes it very hard to track her down, if at all. When we called and asked for her, the friend said she didn't know an Ashley, and she'd ask the owner of the phone. Then she called us back and said Ashley, I said "I'm sorry, Ashley who?", and she refused to give her last name. She obviously knew that the more information we had the worse off she'd be. That right there was enough for me to not trust her.

Yes, it was nice she left a note, but it really doesn't do a bit of good if they're not going to make good on anything. She was looking for any and every way out of this situation with her spending as little as possible, and not having to face any consequences, and I'm the one that's supposed to do something for her? I got work to go to, I gotta take my kids to appointments, I can't afford to shell out for repairs and then hope she's going to pay me back, that's why there's insurance. I gave her a few options I was okay with, all of them involved her paying us BEFORE we dealt with any repairs or insurance, which IMO is more than fair considering she's the one at fault, she refused all of them. She wanted to pay us after the fact, and there's no way I'll go with that since I'd have no legal recourse should things go south, and I'm betting she knew that.

So we'll go through insurance, hope they can track her down, or her mom at least, so we don't have to pay the deductible, but if necessary we will, and go on with life.



Also, pics and badly drawn MS Paint re-creations are up

Sounds like she's trying to cover her a** all around. I would have no issue if you filled a hit and run and called your insurance co explain her actions. She left a note so technically it wouldn't be a hit and run, but knows full well that she can't pay for the repairs.
 

runzwithsizorz

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Jan 24, 2002
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"especially when I'd have nothing to hold against her should she decide to tell me to shove off." How bout the *signed* pink slip on the car.
Not that I would do it now, for she lost all sympathy from me when she said her "biggest concern", WASN'T getting your car repaired, and paid for.
 

mundane

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Jun 7, 2002
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Originally posted by: rockyct
Originally posted by: Sphexi

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Sounds like she's trying to cover her a** all around. I would have no issue if you filled a hit and run and called your insurance co explain her actions. She left a note so technically it wouldn't be a hit and run, but knows full well that she can't pay for the repairs.

^^^ Any sympathy she might've garnered by leaving a note is displaced by the circuitous route she left to identify herself.
 

zanejohnson

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Nov 29, 2002
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i think you should cut her a break, MAKE HER buy a good door for your car in a junk yard, pay to get it painted....


wont cost near a grand.
 

mundane

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Originally posted by: zanejohnson
i cant beleive some of you want to ruin thiis 20 year old girls life.

Yes, advocating the rape and murder of her entire extended family, desecration of all that she considers holy.

Or by ruin are you suggesting pushing back her driving privileges a few years (she seems to need the practice), and forcing her to assume financial responsibility for conducting actions she shouldn't have? Sorry, I guess 'ruin' means different things to different people.
 

SeaSerpent

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Sep 24, 2001
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Bottom line.... the OP is the victim, and he needs to file a police report. And it is not a matter of next time she might not leave a note, maybe she will pay better attention to her driving....next time.
 

runzwithsizorz

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:shocked:" and she refused to give her last name.":shocked:
THATS IT! run, don't walk to your insurance co. Give them all the info ya got. believe me, their investigators are more tenacious than the cops. On a brighter note, looks like only the door was damaged, and not the rocker, or anything else. The way she backed out of the stall, she could have raked the entire side. Since the car is a bit newer, they should have no problem matching the paint, that way your not driving around in a dull car with one shiny bright door.
 

rockyct

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Jun 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: zanejohnson
i cant beleive some of you want to ruin thiis 20 year old girls life.

If she had approached this with humbleness she would have been fine. Instead, she's doing everything she can to walk away clean. She didn't give her full contact info and possible gave the wrong first name with her friend's cell phone number. She refuses to tell her parents about it and ask to borrow the money. Instead, she wants to pay on a payment plan that creates the least amount of pain for her.

She needs to learn that if you make a mistake, you need to own up to them. She also needs to practice driving more as she hit the guy on her driver's side. Without a licensed driver there watching for those rookie mistakes, stuff like this can happen and she took that risk. It's people like her that give young people a bad image of only thinking about themselves and not owning your actions.
 

alkemyst

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I have never seen an insurance company that raises rates for an accident for just one year. Usually when rates go up they stay that way a long time.

If she can cut you a check for the amount and then agree to cover any hidden damage (if any should be minor on this kind of hit)....I'd be cool with that.
 

kranky

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A reward for doing the right thing? Hah. Based on her behavior (not leaving a last name, not providing direct contact information, telling the OP to say it was a hit and run) I'm certain there was a witness to the accident (possibly someone with the driver) and that's the only reason she left a note in the first place. What possible reason would someone leave a note if they are only going to tell the person to say it was a hit and run?

Doing the right thing in this case would have meant either (A) providing full insurance information and contact information so the OP could get his car taken care of; or (B) showing up with the money to pay for the damage in full. There's no reason the OP should have to take payments. That's ridiculous.

She's not being "punished" nor is her life being ruined.

I'll tell you, when I see someone saying she should be rewarded for owning up, it just makes me think that's the kind of person who would have just bolted from the scene without stopping. Because there's no reason in my mind to think a reward is due for doing what any of us would expect anyone to do in that situation.
 

Sphexi

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Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
:shocked:" and she refused to give her last name.":shocked:
THATS IT! run, don't walk to your insurance co. Give them all the info ya got. believe me, their investigators are more tenacious than the cops. On a brighter note, looks like only the door was damaged, and not the rocker, or anything else. The way she backed out of the stall, she could have raked the entire side. Since the car is a bit newer, they should have no problem matching the paint, that way your not driving around in a dull car with one shiny bright door.

I'm not worried about them making it look good, we know an excellent local body shop that's done work for us in the past, so it'll be all good. Luckily it's all limited to the door only, but it's obvious it wasn't just a simple impact, she dragged her bumper along the door and kept going.


Originally posted by: zanejohnson
i cant beleive some of you want to ruin thiis 20 year old girls life.

I can't believe I don't have the power to block you from my threads. She didn't have any drugs to give me as part of the deal, so why should I cut her any slack?
 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: zanejohnson
i cant beleive some of you want to ruin thiis 20 year old girls life.
accountability and responsibility does a lot towards helping someone grow up.
 

Anubis

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tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: Sphexi
Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
:shocked:" and she refused to give her last name.":shocked:
THATS IT! run, don't walk to your insurance co. Give them all the info ya got. believe me, their investigators are more tenacious than the cops. On a brighter note, looks like only the door was damaged, and not the rocker, or anything else. The way she backed out of the stall, she could have raked the entire side. Since the car is a bit newer, they should have no problem matching the paint, that way your not driving around in a dull car with one shiny bright door.

I'm not worried about them making it look good, we know an excellent local body shop that's done work for us in the past, so it'll be all good. Luckily it's all limited to the door only, but it's obvious it wasn't just a simple impact, she dragged her bumper along the door and kept going.


Originally posted by: zanejohnson
i cant beleive some of you want to ruin thiis 20 year old girls life.

I can't believe I don't have the power to block you from my threads. She didn't have any drugs to give me as part of the deal, so why should I cut her any slack?

YOU CAN

click on MY FORUMS then ad him to your IGNORED USERS
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Anubis

YOU CAN

click on MY FORUMS then ad him to your IGNORED USERS

will that make you not see their posts or just not allow them to PM you? i thought it only made it so they couldn't PM you.

 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Anubis

YOU CAN

click on MY FORUMS then ad him to your IGNORED USERS

will that make you not see their posts or just not allow them to PM you? i thought it only made it so they couldn't PM you.

cant see posts IIRC, unless its broken again, because it did work at one point
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Anubis

YOU CAN

click on MY FORUMS then ad him to your IGNORED USERS

will that make you not see their posts or just not allow them to PM you? i thought it only made it so they couldn't PM you.

cant see posts IIRC, unless its broken again, because it did work at one point

it must be broken. i can see the posts of a couple of people i have on there.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Anubis

YOU CAN

click on MY FORUMS then ad him to your IGNORED USERS

will that make you not see their posts or just not allow them to PM you? i thought it only made it so they couldn't PM you.

cant see posts IIRC, unless its broken again, because it did work at one point

it must be broken. i can see the posts of a couple of people i have on there.

sadface
 

BigToque

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Not that this is relevant, but here in Manitoba if you get into an accident, you have the option of buying out your claim and you will not receive any increase in rates and the accident will not go on your driving record.

I backed up into something (I couldn't see it because it was so low to the ground). Cost me $1200 to fix, but it would have cost me about $2500 over the next 3 years with rate increases.
 
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