IE7 released!

[Genx87]

Anybody know if they will offer an installer for IE7 within WSUS?

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I use firefox and will continue to use firefox---but I am still downloading ie7 even as I type this---because ie is still a necessary evil for things like getting windows XP
updates and such---ie6 is very bad from a security standpoint---and ie7 will be better---but still not up to firefox standards.

And hopefully it will install on my systems without a hitch---I will find out later.---38% downloaded on dial up so far.

What standards are you speaking of? You can disable script execution in IE to make it as "secure" as Firefox. :shocked:

:sun:

Unless you've monkeyed with something script execution shouldn't be running without permissions on IE 6.

I was speaking of the fact that you can disable ActiveX, Javascript, .NET components, etc. from executing.

Cool, I'm gonna tell my dad to do that. Oh wait, he has no clue what is that.

Exactly why it's off by default.

I'm really confused as to what you are talking about. Even with Medium-High (IE7) all of the scripting is still enabled.

 

[Underclocked]

Question for those of you running IE7: can you customize the taskbars to same degree as in IE6.xx?

I have IE6 down to one main taskbar and the thinner page title bar. IE7 seems to be far less customizable and creates more wasted window space.

And, briefly running the release last night on another computer with a fresh install, I was getting an awful lot of page cannot be displayed and other errors that didn't occur before installing 7.

Block it from my machine, think I'll wait until they refine it a bit.

 

[Noema]

IE7 Pros:

Loads super-fast
It's sleek looking
I like the RSS integration
Smooth fonts

Cons:

Doesn't have FF's insane number of extensions
No bookmark panel
Sometimes sluggish when viewing sites with lots of flash (which FF handles better I think).

In other words: I like it; I'll be sticking to Firefox but keep it installed just in case

 

[Varun]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Varun
Regedt32.exe
In Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, Regedt32.exe is a small program that just runs Regedit.exe.

I actually don't have Regedit32 on my system even.

They used to be separate programs. If you right-click on the key and go to Permissions, you can add the Administrators group to the keys your having problems with.

Unfortunately I can't. When I right click the key I get "Unable to open key" and there is no way for me to set the permissions.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I use firefox and will continue to use firefox---but I am still downloading ie7 even as I type this---because ie is still a necessary evil for things like getting windows XP
updates and such---ie6 is very bad from a security standpoint---and ie7 will be better---but still not up to firefox standards.

And hopefully it will install on my systems without a hitch---I will find out later.---38% downloaded on dial up so far.

What standards are you speaking of? You can disable script execution in IE to make it as "secure" as Firefox. :shocked:

:sun:

Unless you've monkeyed with something script execution shouldn't be running without permissions on IE 6.

I was speaking of the fact that you can disable ActiveX, Javascript, .NET components, etc. from executing.

Cool, I'm gonna tell my dad to do that. Oh wait, he has no clue what is that.

Exactly why it's off by default.

I'm really confused as to what you are talking about. Even with Medium-High (IE7) all of the scripting is still enabled.

Likely source of confusion: medium settings stuff can run without prompting once it is downloaded. Getting it downloaded is where all the prompts come in.


Medium settings:
download signed activeX controls: prompt.
unsigned: disable

don't confuse with other settings such as:
Run activeX controls and plug-ins: Enable.

Again, this allows controls to work if they have been previously downloaded using the aformentioned restrictions (stops you from getting hammered for a prompt EVERY time...but doesn't actually allow something to run without a prompt).

The setting that catches everything else:
launching applications and unsafe files: prompt

Once you approve something the remaining 'medium' settings let it run (.net components, java etc) without further continuous prompting.

You can of course crank up to high and probably drive yourself insane but medium+some common sense will keep you (and dad) out of trouble. Server 2003 browser settings are wicked locked.

boy, this quote got deep!

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Varun

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Varun
Regedt32.exe
In Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, Regedt32.exe is a small program that just runs Regedit.exe.

I actually don't have Regedit32 on my system even.

They used to be separate programs. If you right-click on the key and go to Permissions, you can add the Administrators group to the keys your having problems with.

Unfortunately I can't. When I right click the key I get "Unable to open key" and there is no way for me to set the permissions.

Symptoms of registry damage or a root kit.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I use firefox and will continue to use firefox---but I am still downloading ie7 even as I type this---because ie is still a necessary evil for things like getting windows XP
updates and such---ie6 is very bad from a security standpoint---and ie7 will be better---but still not up to firefox standards.

And hopefully it will install on my systems without a hitch---I will find out later.---38% downloaded on dial up so far.

What standards are you speaking of? You can disable script execution in IE to make it as "secure" as Firefox. :shocked:

:sun:

Unless you've monkeyed with something script execution shouldn't be running without permissions on IE 6.

I was speaking of the fact that you can disable ActiveX, Javascript, .NET components, etc. from executing.

Cool, I'm gonna tell my dad to do that. Oh wait, he has no clue what is that.

Exactly why it's off by default.

I'm really confused as to what you are talking about. Even with Medium-High (IE7) all of the scripting is still enabled.

Likely source of confusion: medium settings stuff can run without prompting once it is downloaded. Getting it downloaded is where all the prompts come in.


Medium settings:
download signed activeX controls: prompt.
unsigned: disable

don't confuse with other settings such as:
Run activeX controls and plug-ins: Enable.

Again, this allows controls to work if they have been previously downloaded using the aformentioned restrictions (stops you from getting hammered for a prompt EVERY time...but doesn't actually allow something to run without a prompt).

The setting that catches everything else:
launching applications and unsafe files: prompt

Once you approve something the remaining 'medium' settings let it run (.net components, java etc) without further continuous prompting.

You can of course crank up to high and probably drive yourself insane but medium+some common sense will keep you (and dad) out of trouble. Server 2003 browser settings are wicked locked.

boy, this quote got deep!

Oh, I see what you are talking about. Thank you.

 

[Varun]

Originally posted by: Varun

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Varun
Regedt32.exe
In Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, Regedt32.exe is a small program that just runs Regedit.exe.

I actually don't have Regedit32 on my system even.

They used to be separate programs. If you right-click on the key and go to Permissions, you can add the Administrators group to the keys your having problems with.

Unfortunately I can't. When I right click the key I get "Unable to open key" and there is no way for me to set the permissions.

I got it installed today by unchecking the "Install necessary updates and ..." box. Wierd

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I use firefox and will continue to use firefox---but I am still downloading ie7 even as I type this---because ie is still a necessary evil for things like getting windows XP
updates and such---ie6 is very bad from a security standpoint---and ie7 will be better---but still not up to firefox standards.

And hopefully it will install on my systems without a hitch---I will find out later.---38% downloaded on dial up so far.

What standards are you speaking of? You can disable script execution in IE to make it as "secure" as Firefox. :shocked:

:sun:

Unless you've monkeyed with something script execution shouldn't be running without permissions on IE 6.

I was speaking of the fact that you can disable ActiveX, Javascript, .NET components, etc. from executing.

Cool, I'm gonna tell my dad to do that. Oh wait, he has no clue what is that.

Exactly why it's off by default.

I'm really confused as to what you are talking about. Even with Medium-High (IE7) all of the scripting is still enabled.

Install Firefox with the NoScript plugin. The NoScript plugin causes promting for EVERY script that runs on a webpage. You'd be amazed at how much gets by IE.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Brazen
Already?! Ach, I'm going to have to go block it on our WSUS server!

Doesn't WSUS make you approve the new updates before they're installed? When I get new updates on my WSUS server they're all set to 'detect only'. If I want the new updates installed I have to to approve them and set the appropriate groups to 'install' or 'detect only'.

 

[stevty2889]

Well I've given up on it. I tried for a 3rd time. Still crashes immediatly upon opening. Event viewer errors:

Fault bucket 337279712.

Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.5730.11, faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x00000000.

Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.5730.11, faulting module ieframe.dll, version 7.0.5730.11, fault address 0x000bbaa7.

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Brazen
Already?! Ach, I'm going to have to go block it on our WSUS server!

Doesn't WSUS make you approve the new updates before they're installed? When I get new updates on my WSUS server they're all set to 'detect only'. If I want the new updates installed I have to to approve them and set the appropriate groups to 'install' or 'detect only'.

That's correct, you will need to approve the update before it goes out. The blocking kit for IE7 is mainly for those orgs who do not use some sort of managed update service, and just let their clients use either WU or AU.

And even in the case of AU, it will not auto install because the user has to accept the EULA.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I use firefox and will continue to use firefox---but I am still downloading ie7 even as I type this---because ie is still a necessary evil for things like getting windows XP
updates and such---ie6 is very bad from a security standpoint---and ie7 will be better---but still not up to firefox standards.

And hopefully it will install on my systems without a hitch---I will find out later.---38% downloaded on dial up so far.

What standards are you speaking of? You can disable script execution in IE to make it as "secure" as Firefox. :shocked:

:sun:

Unless you've monkeyed with something script execution shouldn't be running without permissions on IE 6.

I was speaking of the fact that you can disable ActiveX, Javascript, .NET components, etc. from executing.

Cool, I'm gonna tell my dad to do that. Oh wait, he has no clue what is that.

Exactly why it's off by default.

I'm really confused as to what you are talking about. Even with Medium-High (IE7) all of the scripting is still enabled.

Install Firefox with the NoScript plugin. The NoScript plugin causes promting for EVERY script that runs on a webpage. You'd be amazed at how much gets by IE.

I bet but fortunately for me I'm not that paranoid.

 

[wiin]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Installed and unistalled. After installing I could no longer connect to my own wireless network. I managed to connect to a differant one by IE7 crashed immediatly upon opening it. Uninstalled it and everything is back to working normaly. Anyone else try it yet?

Been using IE7 with Vista Beta, then upgraded to Vita RC1.No problem at all

 

[dennilfloss]

Just installed it after making an image of my OS partition just in case. No problem so far. I am disappointed at the inability to move/disable/compact many bars in IE7 but that's not too bad as I use AvantBrowser as my default browser. Someone at Ars said the lack of customization of the tool bars compared to IE6 is suppose to provide higher security from malware changing your settings.

 

[cutty]

I installed IE7 and I can't connect to any website now!
I have installed last Beta release and it works fine, I have no idea why it doesn't work now.
My system is Dell 600m. I know my network is ok, I tried all other programs such as Firefox, putty, ping etc, there is no problem at all. However I can't connect any website with IE7! I checked Connection setting, nothing is checked and that's what it should be. I really have no clue now. Could any one help? Thank you.

 

[dennilfloss]

Might your firewall need to be notified to allow a new version of a program?

 

[theheartofwinter]

So is it worth it to upgrade to IE7? Still using IE6 at office and Firefox at home. Would there be a new Firefox release also?

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: theheartofwinter
So is it worth it to upgrade to IE7? Still using IE6 at office and Firefox at home. Would there be a new Firefox release also?

firefox 2.0 was just released

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: theheartofwinter
So is it worth it to upgrade to IE7? Still using IE6 at office and Firefox at home. Would there be a new Firefox release also?

You should still upgrade to IE7 because of less vulnerabilities than compared to IE6.

If you still want to use Firefox as your daily driver be my guest.

 

[nweaver]

are there any compelling reasons (i.e. innovative features) to switch from a non IE browser?

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: nweaver
are there any compelling reasons (i.e. innovative features) to switch from a non IE browser?

There is nothing that hasn't been done before for the end user. Most of the changes (in my mind) are the backend for administrative purposes.

That being said I still hold that you should install it for security reasons. Even if you primarily use/like Firefox, Opera, etc. more.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: InlineFive

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I use firefox and will continue to use firefox---but I am still downloading ie7 even as I type this---because ie is still a necessary evil for things like getting windows XP
updates and such---ie6 is very bad from a security standpoint---and ie7 will be better---but still not up to firefox standards.

And hopefully it will install on my systems without a hitch---I will find out later.---38% downloaded on dial up so far.

What standards are you speaking of? You can disable script execution in IE to make it as "secure" as Firefox. :shocked:

:sun:

Unless you've monkeyed with something script execution shouldn't be running without permissions on IE 6.

I was speaking of the fact that you can disable ActiveX, Javascript, .NET components, etc. from executing.

Cool, I'm gonna tell my dad to do that. Oh wait, he has no clue what is that.

Exactly why it's off by default.

I'm really confused as to what you are talking about. Even with Medium-High (IE7) all of the scripting is still enabled.

Install Firefox with the NoScript plugin. The NoScript plugin causes promting for EVERY script that runs on a webpage. You'd be amazed at how much gets by IE.

That is not at all an apples to apples comparison.

You are talking about *altering* the default config of firefox then comparing it to the *non altered* default config of IE.

Go flip security on IE to high and see what happens. Also see previous explanation of why IE doesn't prompt every time. Here's the short version, "It would drive the user mad without adding extra security."

 

[Hadsus]

CNET has a review up posted October 18:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Internet_Explorer_7/4505-3514_7-32111537.html

Final score = 7.0 of 10.

The good: IE 7 includes built-in tabbed browsing; antiphishing technology; an RSS reader; and a redesigned Favorites Center.

The bad: IE 7 is limited to Windows XP SP2 users only; installation requires reboot; reuses old IE 6 code and doesn't yet comply with current Web standards; doesn't match all the features found in Firefox or Opera; carries a Microsoft legacy of not patching its IE flaws quickly enough.

The bottom line: IE 7 was Microsoft's one chance to leapfrog ahead of the competition, but the company has only barely caught sight of the current front-runners. For more features and greater security, switch to Mozilla Firefox.