i'm embarrased to ask this......

Nab

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Is a router and a hub the same thing? If not, what's the difference? thanks
 

Nab

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I read the FAQ's (thanks for that) and i was fuzzy on a couple things....I have dial-up connection, therefore I won't need a router no matter what, correct? (assuming i'm not going to get dsl/cable in the future). So all I would need to get to share internet and have a LAN connection is get a hub/switch? I read the difference between a hub and switch but i didn't really quite understand it. Thanks for the help.
-nab
 

Nab

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one more thing....rather two.....if i was going to get cable/dsl in the future, can i go ahead get a router and use it has a hub/switch? I thought crossover was for pc to pc connections, so i'm assuming that crosswires wouldn't do anything in this situation....but then i was reading the specs for a switch and it said that it has auto crossover detectino or something... Last question, i promise , what is a good/cheap router/hub/switch that i should get and where? The cheaper the better . Thanks again.
 

h0vic

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For sharing dial-up connection, you don't need a router. You can just some network cards and a hub/switch. Windows 98 and up has internet sharing (ICS) built-in. You can think of a switch as being a "smart" hub. Just get a switch as they're about the same price (except for ones with 16+ ports). You can use a router as a switch. A crossover is for connecting PC to PC or hub to hub. A switch with an auto crossover port means you can use it as a uplink port (connect to a router/hub/switch using a normal ethernet cable) or use it as normal port. Looking for something cheap - look in the hot deals forum.
 

amdskip

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Dial up does not need a router. Hub/switch to share dial up, that is correct A switch is faster as it only sends the info to the computer it is destined for, a hub sends it to all the computers (basic explanation).

Router now will work fine as a switch and great for cable/dsl later on. You probably won't need a crossover cable. Check out the Belkin refurbed routers in hot deals, $12ish or so.
 

Nab

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thanks for all the help.....i'm pretty sure i got everything straight now
 

rw120555

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To clarify, what we typically call a router is usually two devices in one, a router and a switch.

Regardless of whether you have dialup, dsl, cable, or whatever, you don't need a router; you can always use ICS or a similar program. But, ICS can be flakey and requires that one machine be an always-on server. If you reboot it, turn it off, or if it has other problems, all the other machines lose their network connection.

Routers that work with cable and dsl are ubiquitous and cheap now. Unfortunately, there are far fewer options for routers that will work with dialup. Netgear has the RM356, but it is ridiculously expensive. I remember Jackmds posted links once to much cheaper options, but I don't remember what they were. If you can find something reasonably priced that worked well, I would recommend that over ICS. I used ICS for a while and it is flakey and it is a pain if something ever happens to the server machine.

As for buying a regular router now and using it only as a switch -- yes, you could do that. You need to do stuff like disable dhcp on the router, i.e. you need to kill the router part of the router. It'll be more hassle but is generally doable. Personally, I would just buy a switch or hub rather than go to the hassle, but you're not talking big bucks either way. Some routers have been going on sale lately at ridiculously low prices, so this could be your cheapest option.
 

rw120555

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Ok, here is a link from a year ago where dialup routers were discussed. It sounds like some people had trouble with them though. As always, make sure anything you get is returnable.
 

Indolent

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Originally posted by: amdskip
Dial up does not need a router. Hub/switch to share dial up, that is correct A switch is faster as it only sends the info to the computer it is destined for, a hub sends it to all the computers (basic explanation).

Router now will work fine as a switch and great for cable/dsl later on. You probably won't need a crossover cable. Check out the Belkin refurbed routers in hot deals, $12ish or so.


A switch isn't any faster than a hub if there is very little traffic (dial up connection). It just reduces the packet collisions when there is a lot of traffic going through it by only sending it to the required port as you stated.


I'm not sure why you'd want to share a dial up connection in the first place, it's gotta be extremly slow.
 

rw120555

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I'm not sure why you'd want to share a dial up connection in the first place, it's gotta be extremly slow.
It wouldn't be slow if different machines are accessing the internet at different times. And even if there are multiple users on, it may not be that slow, since requests are being made at different times. I didn't bother with a home network until we got dsl, but in retrospect it would have been good even when we only had dialup. There are also the advantages of sharing files and printers.
 

wetcat007

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A hub simply connects multiples computers together, and does not have DHCP to assign them IP addresses. A router acts as a computer, which u then connect the Cable or DSL modem to the wan port, and the computers in your network to the other ports, it uses DHCP to assign each computer a IP address, and they all access the web using the same internet IP address, working much similar to internet connection sharring in Windows. If you need any more clarification just ask.

-Mark
 

wetcat007

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Originally posted by: Indolent
Originally posted by: amdskip
Dial up does not need a router. Hub/switch to share dial up, that is correct A switch is faster as it only sends the info to the computer it is destined for, a hub sends it to all the computers (basic explanation).

Router now will work fine as a switch and great for cable/dsl later on. You probably won't need a crossover cable. Check out the Belkin refurbed routers in hot deals, $12ish or so.


A switch isn't any faster than a hub if there is very little traffic (dial up connection). It just reduces the packet collisions when there is a lot of traffic going through it by only sending it to the required port as you stated.


I'm not sure why you'd want to share a dial up connection in the first place, it's gotta be extremly slow.

I normally see switches for the same price or less than hubs, and if you transfer stuff accross the network, such as files from computer to comuter, or play games it can make a very nice difference.
 

Nab

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i looked at the refurbished belkin thread and bought the:

4-Port Cable/DSL Gateway Router (Refurbished) F5D5230rw4
The Belkin 4-Port Cable/DSL Gateway Router is the best solution for sharing a broadband Internet connection with multiple users. It allows you to build your 10/100 Base-T Ethernet network for sharing files and peripherals.

I'm thinking about getting cable/dsl in the future, so i figured there's no point in buying a router then if i can buy one now and use it as a switch. For now, i'll use the router as a switch, sharing files and using LAN, and then later on if I get cable/dsl i can use it then. Thanks for all the help.
 
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