I'm saying it now.....

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spunkz
only way i see dems winning is with obama

They can win without Obama. I don't want to stereotype black voters here but the numbers don't lie. With or without Obama the Ds will scoop up 90% of the black vote.

And it is not a racist thing to say that many, many Americans are not ready to vote for a black man as President.

Actually Colin Powell was thought to be a virtual shoe-in for President, extemely high numbers on the right.

Of course, anytime a black person does not conform to what many leftists (including perhaps many here) consider the "correct type" of black individual, he will be derided as "not a real" black man.. or some such idiotic garbage... irritates the hell outta me.

Bush may be bad, but folks of the left are often total bubbleheads... cannot stand them myself. I suppose if I were more surrounded by bible belt folks I'd be similarly annoyed... probably.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: conjur
Hillary will not be running in '08.

What?!?! Of course she's running. She may not win the nomination, but she's definitely running.

Oh, I hope she runs and wins the Democrat ticket, it would be like an early birthday or you know something like that.

:beer:

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Hilary is going to run but she won't win, there's too many people on the right who hate her guts and the talking heads like Hannity and Rush bash her every single day

Think of how many people on the left UTTERLY LOATHE Dumbya. Dumbya proves it is possible for a polarizing candidate to win.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
When will people learn...Hillary Clinton, like ALL politicians, will say whatever she thinks she needs to to get elected. The personal views of politicans are irrelevant; all that matters is party affiliation and the free ride of an elected office. So of course she's moving to the center...she's a shameless whore, just like the rest of them.

which makes her perfect for the job, the only candidate discussed so far in this thread who has what it takes to win

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

yep.i sure as heck dont like her..and i despise bush..i hate hillarys politics..she just takes it too far and is a piece of crap that will take any position to gain support at this point.....i will only vote for the democrats when they grow a pair and offer a more liberty based approach to protecting our civil rights AND not trying to parent us all..she can take her big government attitude and shove it up you know where

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I myself will split to whoever is going to throw out illegals. Living in CA, I do not like being surrounded by foreigners who take American jobs from those who need it. Kick them out, seal the border from illegals, and watch the wages of the 20 million unfilled jobs rise.

Right now both sides have my spite on this issue.

That doesn't make any sense. The type of people that are unemployed are not looking for the type of jobs illegals work, they wouldn't take those jobs anyway....

 

[CellarDoor]

Evan Bayh, FTW

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

that isn't true, tho.

it would be more correct to say that most politics fan boys, like you, don't like her.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

yep.i sure as heck dont like her..and i despise bush..i hate hillarys politics..

which are?

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
she just takes it too far

What does she take too far? give examples.

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
and is a piece of crap that will take any position to gain support at this point.....

You mean like President Bush agreeing to support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage to gain the support of the religious right? So politics is about deals and compromise... who knew?

Also, please give an exmaple of HIllart Clinton taking "any position to gain support".

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
i will only vote for the democrats when they grow a pair and offer a more liberty based approach to protecting our civil rights

What does that even mean?

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
AND not trying to parent us all..she can take her big government attitude and shove it up you know where

What does that even mean, "big government attitude"? You sound like a caricature from the Simpsons spouting meaningless catchphrases. How could government possibly get ANY bigger after Bush, who wiretaps your citizens with impunity, spends with impunity, invades other countries with impunity.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: spunkz
only way i see dems winning is with obama

They can win without Obama. I don't want to stereotype black voters here but the numbers don't lie. With or without Obama the Ds will scoop up 90% of the black vote.

And it is not a racist thing to say that many, many Americans are not ready to vote for a black man as President.

Actually Colin Powell was thought to be a virtual shoe-in for President, extemely high numbers on the right.

Of course, anytime a black person does not conform to what many leftists (including perhaps many here) consider the "correct type" of black individual, he will be derided as "not a real" black man.. or some such idiotic garbage... irritates the hell outta me.

Bush may be bad, but folks of the left are often total bubbleheads... cannot stand them myself. I suppose if I were more surrounded by bible belt folks I'd be similarly annoyed... probably.

"Leftists"?
What does that make you, a "Rightist"?
OK, I'll bite. Provide some examples of what you're talking about when you say, "Of course, anytime a black person does not conform to what many leftists (including perhaps many here) consider the "correct type" of black individual, he will be derided as "not a real" black man.. or some such idiotic garbage... irritates the hell outta me. "

I'd be interested.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

actually, what you mean is most men don't like her. fortunately you aren't in the majority on this.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

actually, what you mean is most men don't like her. fortunately you aren't in the majority on this.

How the fsck do you know, you live in OZ not the US.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

actually, what you mean is most men don't like her. fortunately you aren't in the majority on this.

How the fsck do you know, you live in OZ not the US.

because I don't live there, therefore I am incapable of reading and interpreting polls and surveys? there are more women than men in your population, that's just a demographic fact

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

actually, what you mean is most men don't like her. fortunately you aren't in the majority on this.

How the fsck do you know, you live in OZ not the US.

because I don't live there, therefore I am incapable of reading and interpreting polls and surveys? there are more women than men in your population, that's just a demographic fact

So she wouldn't need a significant percentage of men to vote for her to win?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

actually, what you mean is most men don't like her. fortunately you aren't in the majority on this.

How the fsck do you know, you live in OZ not the US.

I live in the US and I would say that you may not be right. Hillary's "approval" rating for a possible run at the presidency falls within the margin of error right at the 50% mark. In polls shown here, the only Repub candidate that handily beats any Dem is the only one that the party won't run.....McCain.

Hillary is neck and neck with Rudy and beats Condi according to this site.

 

[Caminetto]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

that isn't true, tho.

it would be more correct to say that most politics fan boys, like you, don't like her.

Red Dawn hit the nail on the head. Don't let your love for Hillary shade reality.

I am a left leaning moderate with hundreds of friends and associates that are like-minded.
I can tell you that there is a perception among the general population that Hillary is a user, someone who is an egomaniac and who epitomizes everything that is wrong in politics. (I do not believe this or believe it to be correct).

I do not believe that Hillary could expect even a split among moderates, but republicans will turn out in record numbers to defeat her.

The Democratic Party needs a moderate governor, (read no national political baggage that Rove & company can exploit) to get the country back on course.

 

[0roo0roo]

sometimes bill is just horribly wrong. i think he's against vaccines or something insane. and nader? good god. going for only the fringe left isn't going to win you anything. the center does matter, and nader/hilary is dead to the center. yes i know hilary isn't nader at all, but its her image i guess. fringe lefties like nader are soft on national security, and that destroys their appeal with the center. not to mention...he and people like him kept saying both parties are the same and that voting was essentially pointless. well thats a great way to keep voters away completely from voting, making them feel bitter, powerless, and apathetic. justifying laziness blah blah. nader is defeatism, nader is the problem. nader stabbed us in the back. he is a traitor. he is a republicans best friend.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
I can tell you that there is a perception among the general population that Hillary is a user, someone who is an egomaniac and who epitomizes everything that is wrong in politics. (I do not believe this or believe it to be correct).

actually, Hillary was voted one of the most admired women in the usa over recent years. she's right up there with Oprah and Laura Bush. google for the polls.

 

[Looney]

Hillary wouldn't win. Despite what the polls say. I think the factor would be because of the war. Even though most Americans want out of the war, they want a leader who can show the strength to do it successfully so it doesn't look like they're tucking tails and running.

 

[aidanjm]

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hillary can not win. If the Dems try to go that route, the GOP can win with Jeb or Cheney or Rice or even Tom Delay.

Don't bother providing any arguments to support your POV. :roll:

Why do you think Hillary can't win?

Because most people just don't like her.

actually, what you mean is most men don't like her. fortunately you aren't in the majority on this.

How the fsck do you know, you live in OZ not the US.

I live in the US and I would say that you may not be right. Hillary's "approval" rating for a possible run at the presidency falls within the margin of error right at the 50% mark. In polls shown here, the only Repub candidate that handily beats any Dem is the only one that the party won't run.....McCain.

Hillary is neck and neck with Rudy and beats Condi according to this site.

Not entirely true, in the Marist poll yes Hillary is a percentage point below Giuliani, but if you take a look at the Fox poll Rudy commands a double digit lead. It is also telling that 51% of those polled in the CNN poll would definitely not vote for her. At this point, it will be either McCain, Giuliani, or Allen to get the GOP ticket in my opinion unless someone comes out of the shadows. According to the latest CPAC poll Allen has a slight lead of 2%, but his numbers have jumped quite a bit since the last poll. Allen is certianly my first choice at this point with McCain a close second. Personally, I hope Hillary wins the Democrat ticket.

 

[Pens1566]

Fox poll putting Rudy in front by double digits. SHOCKING!!!!

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
sometimes bill is just horribly wrong. i think he's against vaccines or something insane. and nader? good god. going for only the fringe left isn't going to win you anything. the center does matter, and nader/hilary is dead to the center. yes i know hilary isn't nader at all, but its her image i guess. fringe lefties like nader are soft on national security, and that destroys their appeal with the center. not to mention...he and people like him kept saying both parties are the same and that voting was essentially pointless. well thats a great way to keep voters away completely from voting, making them feel bitter, powerless, and apathetic. justifying laziness blah blah. nader is defeatism, nader is the problem. nader stabbed us in the back. he is a traitor. he is a republicans best friend.

Man....I take it you don't care for Nader......