Impeachment coming

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Impeaching him is necessary to prevent him from running again ...

I've seen that stated a few times, but have not seen any proof of it. Anything I can find says one has to be convicted by the Senate, then Disqualified in a separate step.

 

[soundforbjt]

I've seen that stated a few times, but have not seen any proof of it. Anything I can find says one has to be convicted by the Senate, then Disqualified in a separate step.

Yes, that’s what needs to happen, otherwise someone more competent may try something worse. There needs to be a message sent.
Also he can’t pardon anyone while he being impeached, iirc. That stops his kids/spouses and henchmen from getting a free pass.

 

[MrSquished]

My boy's would have had plan, a defined objective, an exit strategy, and a fall back position. Those bumpkins wandered in without a clue of what they wanted, other than posing for pictures that see them arrested and charged a few days later.
Stupid and destructive, dangerous to themselves and others, but by no means a coherent force with a goal.

There had a goal, they just sucked at executing it and didn't manage to get in before everyone was evacuated. They ran their coup like Trump runs casinos. Still was an attempt. Like Trump they are good at riling up evil idiocy, just terrible at executing. Just like Trump is a terrible executive, just a good rabble rouser. We are lucky these people are functional morons

 

[Pohemi]

There are more immediate needs that punishing him and it's like you can't look past your need for revenge.
I doesn't make someone an asshole or clown to want their government to come to my aid before fighting their fights.

You keep calling it revenge. I call it wanting justice and swiftly. The longer it lingers and gets handwaved away, the less likely conviction will be.

I am just questioning whether or not our resources could be better spent on things more helpful and more immediate. That's all. I could be wrong.

Yes. Over and over. You are making it out as though they can do NOTHING else if they draft this article (which is already finished) and call it to a vote. How much time do you think this will require?

Wow, it's like you totally get me. My point was about crying kids and not at all about prioritizing hurting Americans over impeaching a guy who is already gone in order to get Republicans on record to score political points and show the world how the other side is bad. Let's crap on the bad guy before helping the person he hurt. Even if the bad guy is about to become powerless to hurt anyone ever again.

Look, I'm sorry that your big bro pushed you off the slide and your mom ignored you while berating him for it. But the government and congress doesn't work according to your singular priorities and schedule expectations.

You are kicking and screaming for them to STOP proceeding with legitimate legal proceedings because you are under some false impression that they can do nothing else in the meantime, such as covid aid, etc. Why? It isn't a logical assessment.

 

[esquared]

CNN reports that if the orange menace is impeached, he is thinking that his legal team for the senate trial will consist of ghouliani and dershowitz.
Seriously! Ha ha ha ha. Man, that's a crack legal team.

Probably will add sidney powell and lin wood later.

 

[zinfamous]

Is that number higher or lower than it was 10 years ago? We are trending in the right direction. There is lots of work to be done but to call a whole nation stupid for what a minority think/do/believe doesn't seem right.

When the fucking Drudge Report has a countdown timer for the hours this jackass has left and runs headlines about Trump being crazy, unliked, and opposed, it is a good sign that things are getting better. There's no need to insult us as a collective.

74 million is still less than 40% of our population. Much, much less than that.

I'm not sure which one of those numbers is now supposed to frighten you more (considering that 74 million is part of the greatest percentage of registered voter turnout ever recorded), but maybe considering those two numbers together is....more informative.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

CNN reports that if the orange menace is impeached, he is thinking that his legal team for the senate trial ....

None of that should be necessary I'm not even sure a trial with testimony is required. They disallowed witnesses the first time.

If the House votes to Impeach Monday morning, the Senate should be able to vote to convict Monday afternoon. This is absolutely an open and shut case and should be no more than procedural.

 

[Leeea]

unpopular opinion:

After Biden is in office, we need to deal with:
Covid
crashing economy
climate change
police reform
equality

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

 

[soundforbjt]

unpopular opinion:

After Biden is in office, we need to deal with:
Covid
crashing economy
climate change
police reform
equality

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

What makes you think it will take two months?

 

[Wreckem]

unpopular opinion:

After Biden is in office, we need to deal with:
Covid
crashing economy
climate change
police reform
equality

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

Democrats already have all that legislation ready to go. If they didn’t have to worry about the filibuster they could have it on the Presidents desk on Jan 21.

 

[Brainonska511]

Democrats already have all they legislation ready to go.

Also, more than one thing can happen at the same time.

 

[BoomerD]

Ever since the racist southern democrats fled the party to take control of the Republican party in response to Civil Rights, and trapping the GOP into a platform of race-based disenfranchisement in public law and policy, throughout the country, for a generation up until current times, there really is no argument to be made that a GOP supporter isn't racist.

It's the central pillar of their platform. They use different terms now, they would call them "PC," but it is a platform or racism. Every single one of them hated Obama, not because of policy, because they don't have a single fucking argument couched in any kind of actual human reality about actual policy that they disagree with. It is all invented horseshit to cover the fact that they dislike his blackness. It was fucking instant the day he took office. The Teabaggers, these insurrectionists that came out of the woodworks to attack the idea that African Americans can gain a single foothold in this country.

It has never stopped, and until everyone recognizes this plain fucking truth, it will continue. If you support a single GOP policy, at any point, you are a fucking racist. It isn't any other way.

That's painting everyone with the same brush, so to speak. I'm a lifelong Dem, yet no one who knows me would call me a liberal

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

Shouldn't take any more than two hours.

 

[zinfamous]

That's paonting everyone with the same brush, so to speak. I'm a lifelong Dem, yet no one who knows me would call me a liberal

Dude, we know you well enough to know that.

I mean...you strike me as "classic Kennedy liberal" ...virulently anti-communist and war, well, war to kill [communists/insert today's geopolitical antidemocracy threat], for no other reason? good! (+ all the other good socialist stuff) type of liberal. So yeah, not today's liberals, for sure.

 

[Leeea]

Dude, we know you well enough to know that.

I mean...you strike me as "classic Kennedy liberal" ...virulently anti-communist and war, well, war to kill [communists/insert today's geopolitical antidemocracy threat], for no other reason? good! (+ all the other good socialist stuff) type of liberal. So yeah, not today's liberals, for sure.

I feel this is very common.


I think it is completely possible to be anti-communist and liberal. I would argue most people are.

I despise the rampant planned economy in the US now: Agricultural subsidies, coal/gas subsidies, wall street bailouts, airline bailouts should all be eliminated. Let capitalism do what it does best, cull the sick/weak to make room for the new/healthy.

But at the same time I supporting communal items not suited for the capitalistic system: fire department, healthcare, advanced research, roads, food stamps, ...

We need to bail out people, not corporations.

I am a war hawk. I was for the intervention in Syria against ISIS. I also feel we have an obligation to support our local allies in that war afterward (pro-SDF). We did right in Libya getting rid of Gadhafi. I feel the US needs to be a strong and aggressive force internationally to put out small fires before they turn into big fires we get dragged into anyway.

Pot should be legalized federally.
Police should be reformed, not defunded.
Equality should be addressed, but reparations should be focused on redlining, not slavery.
Unions are why we are all making more then $1 an hour, and should be valued for their contributions to society.


Outside of vocal minorities, I do not feel my views are particularly rare. I feel the vocal liberals vacuum up the attention, but do not reflect the old style liberal push that put Biden in the white house.


Vocal liberals lost in the house. But old style liberals won the presidency and the senate. The attention getters are not the ones winning todays elections.

 

[sportage]

CNN reports that if the orange menace is impeached, he is thinking that his legal team for the senate trial will consist of ghouliani and dershowitz.
Seriously! Ha ha ha ha. Man, that's a crack legal team.

Probably will add sidney powell and lin wood later.

You know what’s happening here? Donald Trump has decided the impeachment will give him another opportunity to push his voter fraud claims. Donald Trump thinks this an opportunity and that’s exactly why he is calling on Rudy Giuliani again. Donald Trump doesn’t think that this impeachment will be about last Wednesday, Trump believes this can be all about voter fraud.... or Giuliani will twist it out to be. And... this is where the republicans in congress will cloud the process by deflecting from insurrection and returning this back to the election. So Trump wants this impeachment and we’ll see if Mitch McConnell goes along with the subject matter switcherroo.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

unpopular opinion:

After Biden is in office, we need to deal with:
Covid
crashing economy
climate change
police reform
equality

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

This is what I've been trying to communicate in this thread but you're right about this being an unpopular opinion here. To me, everything you listed above takes absolute priority. These are the things that have absolutely dominated discussion here for years that are all of a sudden not quite so urgent.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

74 million is still less than 40% of our population. Much, much less than that.

I'm not sure which one of those numbers is now supposed to frighten you more (considering that 74 million is part of the greatest percentage of registered voter turnout ever recorded), but maybe considering those two numbers together is....more informative.

It warms my hear to read the statistic that only 5% of people support the shit that happened in the capital over the last couple of days. Shithead lost the election. I think there are great signs that things are trending in the right direction. We aren't where we should be but I like the momentum and don't see the need for all encompassing blanket statements like "America is stupid".

 

[Grey_Beard]

unpopular opinion:

After Biden is in office, we need to deal with:
Covid
crashing economy
climate change
police reform
equality

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

This is what I've been trying to communicate in this thread but you're right about this being an unpopular opinion here. To me, everything you listed above takes absolute priority. These are the things that have absolutely dominated discussion here for years that are all of a sudden not quite so urgent.

It’s not a unpopular opinion. These are things that need to be done. It just that there are other things that also need to be done. Have you every cooked dinner for you family? Do you just cook the meat or the centerpiece of the dinner? After that, while it gets cold, you cook the veggies? Then the potato? Or do you do the meat, the vegetables, the potato casserole and maybe even the desert together so that everything is ready and hot when you want it for everyone to enjoy?

Two things or more can be done at the same time. Until The Turtle is no longer in control of the items brought forward in the Senate, none of the item you mention are getting done in that chamber.

 

[pmv]

unpopular opinion:

After Biden is in office, we need to deal with:
Covid
crashing economy
climate change
police reform
equality

Spending two months on a impeachment trial is just not worth it.

They could work a bit harder, maybe? Perhaps put in a bit of overtime?

I mean, the Nuremberg Trials took place while a devastated Europe was trying to rebuild after a massively-destructive world war, rehousing millions and relocating vast numbers of refugees. I don't remember anyone saying "we don't have time for a trial, too many other things to do".

I get that these are "interesting times" (in the phoney-Chinese-curse sense) and there's a heck of a lot to do, but the US government has a lot of resources. They need to get on with it. If you don't properly deal with Trump, the US will look like a tinpot nation, probably best described by the term that Trump used for countries that migrants might come from.

 

[feralkid]

This is what I've been trying to communicate in this thread but you're right about this being an unpopular opinion here. To me, everything you listed above takes absolute priority. These are the things that have absolutely dominated discussion here for years that are all of a sudden not quite so urgent.

When the ship has struck an iceberg, the order of business tends to shift.

 

[zinfamous]

It warms my hear to read the statistic that only 5% of people support the shit that happened in the capital over the last couple of days. Shithead lost the election. I think there are great signs that things are trending in the right direction. We aren't where we should be but I like the momentum and don't see the need for all encompassing blanket statements like "America is stupid".

where did you hear that? I thought I read that support for insurrection was polled at about 55-60% within the GOP as recent as yesterday.

 

[MtnMan]

Impeachment with conviction would put a smile on my face.

• the satisfaction of seeing him totally defeated. Not as good as an orange jump suit, but something.
• the fact he can never run again, though I think he has pretty much burned that bridge this week.
• that taxpayers will no longer be providing perks, travel allowance, SS protection. He had body guards for decades until he finally reached the point he was warranted SS protection. He can hire body guards on his dime again.

 

[BoomerD]

The Republicans are really starting to take the threat of impeachment seriously...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1348028695974391811

 

[esquared]

The Republicans are really starting to take the threat of impeachment seriously...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1348028695974391811

Effing traitors.
Cowards trying to play victim.
Disgusting.