Impeachment coming

[Fenixgoon]

Draft of new article of Impeachment: (Article 1: Incitement of insurrection)

Read: House Democrats' draft of a new article of impeachment against Trump | CNN Politics

House Democrats have circulated a draft of a new impeachment resolution against President Donald Trump with one article of impeachment, "incitement of insurrection."

www.cnn.com

I read it, and I like it. It ends with saying he should be disqualified from holding any office of trust, honor or profit under the United States.

While, I see little chance for conviction in the Senate, it's still good to spell out his heinous act, on his record second impeachment.

And handing it over to the Senate will put them on record, as before

 

[Pipeline 1010]

What is the urgency? He's gone in less than 2 weeks. It's not like he only recently became unhinged. I think we can make it 12 more days.

 

[hal2kilo]

What is the urgency? He's gone in less than 2 weeks. It's not like he only recently became unhinged. I think we can make it 12 more days.

Just saw some of the footage from inside the capitol. I don't think people realize that the rioting criminals were that close to at least getting hostages. Thankfully, that shot through the door at that dumb dead bitch, had them scurry away.
I don't think you really understand how pissed off people are in that house.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Just saw some of the footage from inside the capitol. I don't think people realize that the rioting criminals were that close to at least getting hostages. Thankfully, that shot through the door at that dumb dead bitch, had them scurry away.
I don't think you really understand how pissed off people are in that house.

I do understand how pissed they are. I just believe the problem will solve itself just playing out as is. Not that I would MIND a successful impeachment/removal/resignation.

I just think it is overkill and a waste of time at this point. Is there even enough time left to play out the impeachment process? It would take at least a week, right? At that point you're saving us like 5 days.

Which is nice, but I would rather resources/attention/money/effort be focused on things like increasing Covid vaccine availability. Things that could lead to saving 1000's of lives per day. I think we should try him criminally in a few months but we have massive issues that are life and death to deal with RIGHT NOW.

 

[zinfamous]

This obviously means a lot more to you than it does to me. Substitute "any government building" for "White House". I'm fine with that and you've now proven conclusively that my prediction was incorrect, I'll get over it.

obviously, it's not "any government building."

you lost your panties on 9-11 when the targets were the Pentagon, the White House, and the WTC. There is a reason those were the targets, just as the seat of the very same government, the world-wide symbol and functional center for modern democracy (literally, you can't even deny it) were the target of this week's terrorists.

Because they are terrorists. They attacked the United States. They are no different from Al Qaeda. At all. They are the very same. Wholly indistinguishable in motive, ambition, and belief. They murdered 5 people. By every definition, all of those things happened on Wednesday. Do you disagree...for reasons that you would likely refuse to explain?

 

[allisolm]

What is the urgency? He's gone in less than 2 weeks. It's not like he only recently became unhinged. I think we can make it 12 more days.

Not if the next 12 days are anything like the last couple.

 

[feralkid]

GitMo

FPMITAP

 

[fskimospy]

What is the urgency? He's gone in less than 2 weeks. It's not like he only recently became unhinged. I think we can make it 12 more days.

Precedent so future presidents will be removed for similar conduct.

 

[feralkid]

What is the urgency? He's gone in less than 2 weeks. It's not like he only recently became unhinged. I think we can make it 12 more days.

Did you eat an Ambien sammich for lunch Wednesday?

 

[Grey_Beard]

I do understand how pissed they are. I just believe the problem will solve itself just playing out as is. Not that I would MIND a successful impeachment/removal/resignation.

I just think it is overkill and a waste of time at this point. Is there even enough time left to play out the impeachment process? It would take at least a week, right? At that point you're saving us like 5 days.

Which is nice, but I would rather resources/attention/money/effort be focused on things like increasing Covid vaccine availability. Things that could lead to saving 1000's of lives per day. I think we should try him criminally in a few months but we have massive issues that are life and death to deal with RIGHT NOW.

There must be consequences. Additionally, if you think any of the items you mentioned will be remotely discussed with the Red Team still in control, as they have had literally a year to do a second stimulus and have failed. I think you need to consider that your perspective is a bit off and you really do not understand.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Precedent so future presidents will be removed for similar conduct.

I think we can accomplish this with future criminal charges. I would kinda prefer that to an impeachment that might save us a few days of R-Tard in office. If we don't impeach him in the next couple of days, the impeachment process doesn't go away. We can still do it to future presidents.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think we can accomplish this with future criminal charges. I would kinda prefer that to an impeachment that might save us a few days of R-Tard in office. If we don't impeach him in the next couple of days, the impeachment process doesn't go away. We can still do it to future presidents.

Primary reason for impeachment is that Trump can be removed with an additional condition which disqualifies him from ever running for office again.

Secondary reason: the GOP in Congress needs to stand up and be counted on this.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I think we can accomplish this with future criminal charges. I would kinda prefer that to an impeachment that might save us a few days of R-Tard in office. If we don't impeach him in the next couple of days, the impeachment process doesn't go away. We can still do it to future presidents.

You can already read the draft for the article of Impeachment, so I think it's a done deal that he will be impeached in the House, and it puts this dark chapter on the record in a clear way, and will get Republicans on record, where they stand on insurrection.

In the end, they may not be able to convict him in the Senate, but I can't think of any reason not to proceed with this.

 

[Zorba]

Just because it was an inept attempt doesn’t mean it wasn’t an attempt.

Trump is lazy and incompetent, but that doesn’t mean this wasn’t real. They beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher, there are pictures of people with clusters of pre-looped zip ties for tying people up, etc.

It wasn't that inept. It appears that the mob was within seconds of getting into the house chamber while all members were still inside. The only reason there wasn't bloodshed in the house chamber was luck and the few police in there being able to barricade the doors quickly. Multiple men with guns and a plan to take hostages were in the fucking house chamber. This is the most significant building in the world. This was not inept, it was a planned tactical attack, don't like sympathizers like @Greenman claim otherwise.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

There must be consequences.

Consequences can and should happen. They aren't dependent on a last second impeachment.

Additionally, if you think any of the items you mentioned will be remotely discussed with the Red Team still in control, as they have had literally a year to do a second stimulus and have failed. I think you need to consider that your perspective is a bit off and you really do not understand.

I'm talking about the blue team preparing to make shit happen ASAP. You don't wait to start preparing for this stuff (writing bills/making deals/whatever) until you are in office. Get started NOW. We need it. We have the right people coming into office. I want them to hit the ground running and focus on helping us instead of getting revenge. Get revenge later. It will still be available and might be more available if it is focused on criminal charges instead of getting a guy out of office a couple days early. Don't be petty. Win.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I do understand how pissed they are. I just believe the problem will solve itself just playing out as is. Not that I would MIND a successful impeachment/removal/resignation.

I just think it is overkill and a waste of time at this point. Is there even enough time left to play out the impeachment process? It would take at least a week, right? At that point you're saving us like 5 days.

Which is nice, but I would rather resources/attention/money/effort be focused on things like increasing Covid vaccine availability. Things that could lead to saving 1000's of lives per day. I think we should try him criminally in a few months but we have massive issues that are life and death to deal with RIGHT NOW.

No impeachment means that Trump can possibly get a Pardon from Pence (I wouldn't do it if I was Pence, but you never know), and can't be charged for his crimes of the last 2 months. It also means that Trump can spend the next 4 years fueling and making his base even worse than what we have now, and then He runs for his second term in 2024. If he is allowed to do that, what has happened now and the last 4 years will be nothing in comparison to what he will do in 4 years, and worse if he wins a second term. Don't under estimate the stupidity of the people of this nation. What we have seen is only a scratch of the stupidy.

Not only does the House need to impeach him, the Senate needs to also hold him accountable and prevent him from ever holding office again.

 

[Wreckem]

The Turtle has essentially nixed the idea of bringing up the articles of impeachment until Jan 20 or 21 as the Senate will not come back to session early.

 

[NWRMidnight]

The Turtle has essentially nixed the idea of bringing up the articles of impeachment until Jan 20 or 21 as the Senate will not come back to session early.

It can be done after the 20th. There is nothing in the constitution that prevents it.

 

[hal2kilo]

The Turtle has essentially nixed the idea of bringing up the articles of impeachment until Jan 21 or 22.

They will still have to answer for the failing to rid this country of danger. Mitch can turn this on as soon as the House impeaches Trump. It will be his choice and the spotlight will be on his sorry ass. The buffoon lost his majority position due to Trump. I can' think of a reason not to delay, and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Caminetto]

They're not going to do anything to Trump. Hell 45% of Repugs support the insurrection:
Poll: 45% Of Republicans Support Ransacking Of US Capitol | The Daily Caller

This dipshit will start his own rightwing loon media empire and be adored by these halfwits for years.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I'm talking about the blue team preparing to make shit happen ASAP. You don't wait to start preparing for this stuff (writing bills/making deals/whatever) until you are in office. Get started NOW. We need it. We have the right people coming into office. I want them to hit the ground running and focus on helping us instead of getting revenge. Get revenge later. It will still be available and might be more available if it is focused on criminal charges instead of getting a guy out of office a couple days early. Don't be petty. Win.

These are not mutually exclusive, and no shortage of people to do one extra thing. It only takes one person to write a simple article of impeachment for insurrection, and in fact the draft is done and you can read it.

This takes NOTHING away from the new administrations ability to hit the ground running.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

These are not mutually exclusive, and no shortage of people to do one extra thing. It only takes one person to write a simple article of impeachment for insurrection, and in fact the draft is done and you can read it.

This takes NOTHING away from the new administrations ability to hit the ground running.

I kind of think they are mutually exclusive or else I would have said "por que no los dos?" and everyone would have cheered. Impeachment takes MASSIVE amounts of attention and energy. From politicians, media, citizens. And for what? To screw the other side a couple days early? I want my dudes to be looking out for me before screwing the other team. You can still do both. I just don't see a downside to waiting on the revenge thing. I want my politicians to start by showing me they give more of a shit about me than they give about fucking the other team. START with that. Do both. But START with that.

 

[Zorba]

obviously, it's not "any government building."

you lost your panties on 9-11 when the targets were the Pentagon, the White House, and the WTC. There is a reason those were the targets, just as the seat of the very same government, the world-wide symbol and functional center for modern democracy (literally, you can't even deny it) were the target of this week's terrorists.

Because they are terrorists. They attacked the United States. They are no different from Al Qaeda. At all. They are the very same. Wholly indistinguishable in motive, ambition, and belief. They murdered 5 people. By every definition, all of those things happened on Wednesday. Do you disagree...for reasons that you would likely refuse to explain?

Pretty sure United 93 was going to the capital and the Pentagon aircraft was supposed to be the WH, but they couldn't spot it and hit the Pentagon instead because they could identify it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I kind of think they are mutually exclusive or else I would have said "por que no los dos?" and everyone would have cheered. Impeachment takes MASSIVE amounts of attention and energy. From politicians, media, citizens. And for what? To screw the other side a couple days early? I want my dudes to be looking out for me before screwing the other team. You can still do both. I just don't see a downside to waiting on the revenge thing. I want my politicians to start by showing me they give more of a shit about me than they give about fucking the other team. START with that. Do both. But START with that.

You doth protest too much, methinks.

Impeachment can take a lot of time, when there is time to kill, but right now they will be moving fast. Like anything, it can be expedited. We are after all talking about attempting get it done before the new administration even takes office.

Taking NOTHING away from the new administration.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

No impeachment means that Trump can possibly get a Pardon from Pence (I wouldn't do it if I was Pence, but you never know), and can't be charged for his crimes of the last 2 months. It also means that Trump can spend the next 4 years fueling and making his base even worse than what we have now, and then He runs for his second term in 2024. If he is allowed to do that, what has happened now and the last 4 years will be nothing in comparison to what he will do in 4 years, and worse if he wins a second term. Don't under estimate the stupidity of the people of this nation. What we have seen is only a scratch of the stupidy.

Not only does the House need to impeach him, the Senate needs to also hold him accountable and prevent him from ever holding office again.

The pardon only works on the federal level, right? States can still charge and convict him. I just want him in a jail. I don't care which. And I don't care if it happens in the next 12 days or not. Just do it, but we should have our priorities straight. This is the kind of vindictive focus I would expect from asshole Republicans.

And don't call our nation stupid. We aren't. Some of us made a huge mistake and we corrected it. And opinion is increasingly trending toward "we made a mistake". We will make more mistakes and hopefully correct those too. I don't see an impeachment within the next 12 days as the only thing that can save us. This is getting pretty melodramatic. I want him gone too. He IS gone. I know people in my family and circle of friends that have died from this pandemic. You probably do too. If your focus is anything other than fixing that shit then how can you claim OTHER people are stupid. We are losing more than a 9/11 worth of lives EVERY DAY. If my politicians can't focus on that, then why did I vote for them?