In defense of processed foods

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SP33Demon

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eh, this is crap. Basically just a rant about how people don't understand what the technical term "processing" means (which their definition also includes frozen or canned food) when it's pretty obvious that most people mean fast food like McD's/Wendy's/Arby's or non-natural/refined like cheese/hot dogs/white bread/pollen-less honey. Of course everything is technically "processed" to a certain degree unless you fucking found it and picked it in the wild. But the author thinks they are clever by trying to redefine the public's perception of the definition of "processed" when it's obvious what the public views as processed-bad vs processed-good. And the fact that negative connotation of "processed" is usually referring to processed-bad foods, not processed-good.

I also disagree that less ingredients doesn't mean it's better; a good practice is that the less chemicals you consume the better.

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z1ggy

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Based on the various body builders I follow on youtube, I'm pretty certain the "quality" of the food, ie, if it's "processed" or not, makes little to no difference in your physical appearance. It's simply about eating the right calories for the goal you have, and having proper macro's.

If eating Chipotle & poptarts that day fits into your meal plan and you can hit calories and macro's, plus lift your balls off in the gym...It doesn't matter.

The only difference it may make health wise is the processing done to the food having late life effects, like causing cancers, etc. Pretty sure no studies have or can be done to really study that, so... I don't care.

Over the past 8 weeks, I've lost 7lb and my daily diet has included chocolate covered almonds. I still drink beers with my friends. Yet, I've consumed these "bad" foods, and have lost weight, and have barely lost any strength. I'm pretty convinced I could eat whatever the hell I wanted, as long as I ate -3500 cals a week, and hit my protein/carb/fat macros.
 

Scarpozzi

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Based on the various body builders I follow on youtube, I'm pretty certain the "quality" of the food, ie, if it's "processed" or not, makes little to no difference in your physical appearance. It's simply about eating the right calories for the goal you have, and having proper macro's.

If eating Chipotle & poptarts that day fits into your meal plan and you can hit calories and macro's, plus lift your balls off in the gym...It doesn't matter.

The only difference it may make health wise is the processing done to the food having late life effects, like causing cancers, etc. Pretty sure no studies have or can be done to really study that, so... I don't care.

Over the past 8 weeks, I've lost 7lb and my daily diet has included chocolate covered almonds. I still drink beers with my friends. Yet, I've consumed these "bad" foods, and have lost weight, and have barely lost any strength. I'm pretty convinced I could eat whatever the hell I wanted, as long as I ate -3500 cals a week, and hit my protein/carb/fat macros.

Portion control has a lot to do with it too. You can eat bad if you don't eat much or often.

The biggest thing to remember though when eating more processed foods (obviously bad choices) are that good foods tend to make you feel better. When you eat more carbs, for instance, you'll get hungry again sooner....when you eat a balanced, healthy diet, you're going to be taking in more vitamins and minerals, more good proteins, and likely have more energy.
 

z1ggy

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Portion control has a lot to do with it too. You can eat bad if you don't eat much or often.

The biggest thing to remember though when eating more processed foods (obviously bad choices) are that good foods tend to make you feel better. When you eat more carbs, for instance, you'll get hungry again sooner....when you eat a balanced, healthy diet, you're going to be taking in more vitamins and minerals, more good proteins, and likely have more energy.

Right and I agree, more "whole" options will make you feel better/fuller for a longer period of time. And I wasn't even talking like, eat Mcdonalds all the time, etc. I meant things that weren't totally "clean" or "paleo" like my choc. covered almonds, poptarts, beer, etc. Mcdonalds and the like are insanely high in fat, which makes going over calorie needs very easy.

But when a larger guy is bulking and is consuming 3500+ cal a day... It's just easier to go have your post lift meal at Chipotle and grab a burrito loaded with meat and beans, than head home and cook up a bunch of broc, potato and like 3-4 chicken breasts.

I think "clean" eating should be done when it's available, but if you are a good "eater" to begin with, ie you don't over eat, regardless of what it is, I think you could get away with anything, again, granted it fits your calories and macros.

As far as the vitamin thing goes, just take a multi. There's no way somebody cutting like myself is going to get enough iron, magnesium, etc on regular food.
 

smackababy

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The problem with processed foods, IMO, is generally a lacking of balanced nutrition and a calorie density that is beyond stupid. Getting the same amount of calories of raw broccoli that is in a McDonald's BigMac is pretty hard.
 

Maximilian

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Only skimmed it because im lazy... but the jist of the article is this is still garbage:



but frozen and canned stuff isnt so bad?

Yeah I agree with that. I eat frozen veg/meat every day :thumbsup:
 

SP33Demon

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Based on the various body builders I follow on youtube, I'm pretty certain the "quality" of the food, ie, if it's "processed" or not, makes little to no difference in your physical appearance. It's simply about eating the right calories for the goal you have, and having proper macro's.

If eating Chipotle & poptarts that day fits into your meal plan and you can hit calories and macro's, plus lift your balls off in the gym...It doesn't matter.

The only difference it may make health wise is the processing done to the food having late life effects, like causing cancers, etc. Pretty sure no studies have or can be done to really study that, so... I don't care.

Over the past 8 weeks, I've lost 7lb and my daily diet has included chocolate covered almonds. I still drink beers with my friends. Yet, I've consumed these "bad" foods, and have lost weight, and have barely lost any strength. I'm pretty convinced I could eat whatever the hell I wanted, as long as I ate -3500 cals a week, and hit my protein/carb/fat macros.

There are studies that have been done that show immigrants coming to this country have higher rates of stomach and colon cancer (specifically Hispanics). That's because their diets were much simpler in their home countries like Mexico, and less processed-bad than here. So while we don't know exactly what the cause for the increased rate may be, it doesn't mean we shouldn't wonder why it happens nor care about it. I think emulating the simple diet of immigrants is a great way to not only eat cleaner but lower our chances of issues down the road. Eating staples like eggs, chicken, beans and milk are probably better than a Double Whopper with cheese, fries, and a diet Coke when it comes to issues down the road.
 

z1ggy

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There are studies that have been done that show immigrants coming to this country have higher rates of stomach and colon cancer (specifically Hispanics). That's because their diets were much simpler in their home countries like Mexico, and less processed-bad than here. So while we don't know exactly what the cause for the increased rate may be, it doesn't mean we shouldn't wonder why it happens nor care about it. I think emulating the simple diet of immigrants is a great way to not only eat cleaner but lower our chances of issues down the road. Eating staples like eggs, chicken, beans and milk are probably better than a Double Whopper with cheese, fries, and a diet Coke when it comes to issues down the road.

I totally agree, and like smackababy says, you'll never find the same macro values in a Big Mac than you would in a meal of sweet potato, broc & chicken.

I guess my point is, I'm starting to become an advocate of IIFYD(D for diet.. put whatever word you want in there).

Regardless of the level of processing a food may or may not see, if it gives you the calories you need, and the combo of that food with whatever else you may consume also makes your macro level appropriate, I don't see how it's any better or worse than a pure paleo style diet.

E.g.. Aside from micronutrients, I would probably consider a poptart that may have 15g of carbs and 20g fat to be about the same nutrition level as some freshly picked unprocessed almonds of that same macro breakdown (just made those #s up. Another good example is protein shakes vs chicken, etc). My body has shown me over the last 2 months, that it doesn't really seem to care. I hit the gym 4x a week, eat less and do my normal sport activities. I no longer kill myself over attempting to eat "cave man" style anymore. It's still working out okay. Whether or not I'm placing myself at a higher risk for cancer, is something I'll worry about when I'm older. I'm going to die anyway, might as well enjoy lif eating the foods I like while I can.
 
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Kaido

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E.g.. Aside from micronutrients, I would probably consider a poptart that may have 15g of carbs and 20g fat to be about the same nutrition level as some freshly picked unprocessed almonds of that same macro breakdown. My body has shown me over the last 2 months, that it doesn't really seem to care. I hit the gym 4x a week, eat less and do my normal sport activities. I no longer kill myself over attempted to eat "cave man" style anymore. It's still working out okay. Whether or not I'm placing myself at a higher risk for cancer, is something I'll worry about when I'm older. I'm going to die anyway, might as well enjoy lif eating the foods I like while I can.

I've come to realize that it's combinations of things that makes you sick or healthy. If you want to exercise 6 hours a day like Michael Phelps, then you can eat 7,000 calories a day. If you don't want to exercise, eat lean protein, good carbs, and good fats to manage your weight. etc. etc.

The difficult thing we have right now is seeing the long-term impact of different things - drinking from plastic bottles, using the microwave, eating chemicals in our foods, etc. We have a huge cancer rate in America but no specific source since it could be repeated long-term exposure to a number of things. I mean, this guy ate Twinkies for a month and lost weight, but how good is that long-term for your body?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
 

z1ggy

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I've come to realize that it's combinations of things that makes you sick or healthy. If you want to exercise 6 hours a day like Michael Phelps, then you can eat 7,000 calories a day. If you don't want to exercise, eat lean protein, good carbs, and good fats to manage your weight. etc. etc.

The difficult thing we have right now is seeing the long-term impact of different things - drinking from plastic bottles, using the microwave, eating chemicals in our foods, etc. We have a huge cancer rate in America but no specific source since it could be repeated long-term exposure to a number of things. I mean, this guy ate Twinkies for a month and lost weight, but how good is that long-term for your body?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

I agree, there's no way to tell what the cause is because so many factors are uncontrolled. Also a true blind study would be ridiculous to perform on humans. They could maybe try mice, rats etc but that only gets you so far.

As far as I'm concerned, people are either already genetically disposed to having cancer or they aren't. No amount of healthy eating, etc etc is going to save somebody who has genetic markers turned on that would make them more likely to get cancer. Others are more resistant, etc.

I'd never advocate or advise anybody to eat like crap every single day, but I wouldn't tell them they should never have anything other than "clean" foods, as long as they take into account it's caloric value and that it contains proper macros. Given two meals with exactly the same cals and macro's one being clean and the other not, I'd take clean all day. But now realize I don't need to beat myself up if I don't.
 
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Kaido

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As far as I'm concerned, people are either already genetically disposed to having cancer or they aren't. No amount of healthy eating, etc etc is going to save somebody who has genetic markers turned on that would make them more likely to get cancer. Others are more resistant, etc.

I think that does have a lot to do with it - the cigarette companies always trot out some 95-year-old guy who has been smoking since he was 12 & is cancer-free as their living example, you know? Some people's immune systems are just more sensitive than others.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Just stick within your calorie budget, and to a first approximation, you can eat whatever the f*ck you want.
 
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