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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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it is disgusting to read the comments such as yours and others who only see a way to make political hay out of dead brown kids.
Just admit it, you care more about your metal penis extension than other people's dead kids. Just admit if there was a school shooting everyday in the US, you'd still be against any meaningful gun regulations. Even simple ones like waiting periods.
 

allisolm

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fskimospy

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Republicans: the real issue is illegal guns!

Democrats: okay so can we make it more difficult to get guns illegally?

Republicans: No, and really most gun violence is with handguns.

Democrats: okay so can we make it more difficult to get handguns?

Republicans: No, and really this is a mental health issue anyway.

Democrats: okay so can we better fund mental health?

Republicans: No, the best we can do is give teachers guns too.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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I don’t know. There seems to be a common thread with these shootings but I just can’t put my finger on it.

 
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eelw

Lifer
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One side is trying to do something. The other side who's strategy of doing nothing is the one working.
I actually think there are Rs willing to vote for gun reform. But alas leadership forces them to do the exact opposite the Ds want.
 

nOOky

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Imagine if we put the same energy and passion into saving school kids as we do into making money in this country, the problem would be solved or highly mitigated within a week.
 
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sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I'd like to know why the Christian churches in Texas who preach from the pulpit about other issues that affect their members are silent (except for thoughts and prayers) on this massacre when they could be very effective toward pushing for common sense legislation that would to a large extent mitigate tragedies like this.

They don't want to reduce the number of guns they get in the tithe
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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The Tops store had an armed security guard. Do we really want to turn everyplace into an armed fortress?

Is that the answer, more guns? There is a reason every country isn't allowed to posses a nuclear weapon. Same logic.

When do we learn lessons from the past? Texas went the opposite direction. Open carry without training or a permit needs to be repealed.

There were apparently two armed LEOs that attempted to stop him after the crash, they failed. There was also a school resource officer present, they failed.

"Good guy with a gun" is a myth based on cosplay of Rambo fantasies.
 

eelw

Lifer
Dec 4, 1999
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There were apparently two armed LEOs that attempted to stop him after the crash, they failed. There was also a school resource officer present, they failed.

"Good guy with a gun" is a myth based on cosplay of Rambo fantasies.
Sadly all future shooters will be wearing armour like these last two. But unsure why prior ones didn’t. Well the prior school shooter was in class.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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And it didn't take long for a politician to open his mouth and insert his foot...

Arizona GOP congressman Paul Gosar tweeted (after the shooter had been identified as 18 yr-old male resident of Uvalde) that the shooter was a "transsexual leftist illegal alien."

I would say UNBELIEVABLE! but, sadly, it no longer is.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tex...ar-touts-false-claim-transgender-woman-2022-5
Anyone still think you can have an honest debate with these people???
 
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They will argue the proper interpretation of "well-regulated" is "well-trained".

You are still forgetting the Militia part though. It should be an organized group with rules etc. that should have to follow state/fed regulations on what a Militia is. Maybe membership dues, monthly training like national guard etc.
 
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The Tops store had an armed security guard. Do we really want to turn everyplace into an armed fortress?

Is that the answer, more guns? There is a reason every country isn't allowed to posses a nuclear weapon. Same logic.

When do we learn lessons from the past? Texas went the opposite direction. Open carry without training or a permit needs to be repealed.

And look where that got em. No good guy with a gun to be found, until the cops showed up.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Gun advocates don't want kids shot either, but they do strongly disagree on the solution.

Solution?
That's funny. For a moment I thought you were going to tell us they wanted more guns. But you think they want a solution....
Which is it? Cannot have both.
 
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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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No they are not. They may think they are, but they don't actually listen to the thoughts of the other side and try for common ground.

Both FOX and MSNBC have engaged in name calling all day, just like every other time.

Gun advocates don't want kids shot either, but they do strongly disagree on the solution.

Time to stop name calling, jumping in front of the camera for speeches, and actually listen and try to compromise.
Is it still 2008? Have you learned nothing over the last 14 years? Republicans are punished by their voters if they compromise with Democrats. Seriously, wtf man?
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I don’t know. There seems to be a common thread with these shootings but I just can’t put my finger on it.


but we're not allowed to call it an assault rifle. Saying that one "wrong" thing apparently disqualifies all discussion about children being systematically murdered by the very specific murder toy that these ghouls use to pleasure themselves.
 

nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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Ask any gun nutter if they would give up their guns if it would save 36 children in the next 9 months. Any hesitation in an answer will be your answer, because they won't. So there you go, it's more important to own guns than keep children from being mowed down in schools. At least own it, don't pretend to care about human life if you don't.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Ask any gun nutter if they would give up their guns if it would save 36 children in the next 9 months. Any hesitation in an answer will be your answer, because they won't. So there you go, it's more important to own guns than keep children from being mowed down in schools. At least own it, don't pretend to care about human life if you don't.

While I know they don't want a solution, I at least know the underlying psychology of why not.
  • What stops a person with a gun?
  • 99% of the time, it'll be another person with a gun.
It is this basic premise. Fear. Fear of other people with guns, fear of not having your own. Thus they cling to that fear and the "solution" of the 2A. Irregardless of how illogical it is to feel safer if everyone was armed VS very few people. America has aptly demonstrated time and again that being armed results in a death toll. Blinded by fear, Republicans simply refuse to see reason from madness. As is typical in being human.

They don't want the kids to die. It is just impossible for them to arrive at a proper conclusion to the problem at hand.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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While I know they don't want a solution, I at least know the underlying psychology of why not.
  • What stops a person with a gun?
  • 99% of the time, it'll be another person with a gun.
It is this basic premise. Fear. Fear of other people with guns, fear of not having your own. Thus they cling to that fear and the "solution" of the 2A. Irregardless of how illogical it is to feel safer if everyone was armed VS very few people. America has aptly demonstrated time and again that being armed results in a death toll. Blinded by fear, Republicans simply refuse to see reason from madness. As is typical in being human.

They don't want the kids to die. It is just impossible for them to arrive at a proper conclusion to the problem at hand.
This is very true - they think gun restrictions will only remove their guns and then leave them vulnerable to some bad actor. This is one reason you see people advocate for armed guards in schools despite them being largely ineffective. The Sandy Hook shooter fired like 150 rounds in less than four minutes - there is no way you're going to get response times low enough to prevent a massive tragedy.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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I have no problem with background checks and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable.

Banning guns because they have a black stock and a pistol grip and accept detachable magazines I do not agree with.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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This is very true - they think gun restrictions will only remove their guns and then leave them vulnerable to some bad actor. This is one reason you see people advocate for armed guards in schools despite them being largely ineffective. The Sandy Hook shooter fired like 150 rounds in less than four minutes - there is no way you're going to get response times low enough to prevent a massive tragedy.
So we're back to the only answer is an armed officer in every class room. (until one goes nuts and shoots up the classroom, then we'll need two in every class room).

/s
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I have no problem with background checks and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable.

Banning guns because they have a black stock and a pistol grip and accept detachable magazines I do not agree with.

Ahh,,the good old "responsible gun owner" fallacy.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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I have no problem with background checks and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable.

Banning guns because they have a black stock and a pistol grip and accept detachable magazines I do not agree with.
While I think banning all guns is the right solution as supported by the science, I'm willing to take whatever people will accept at any given time.

To me the first and most obvious is universal background checks, no exceptions.
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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I'd like to know why the Christian churches in Texas who preach from the pulpit about other issues that affect their members are silent (except for thoughts and prayers) on this massacre when they could be very effective toward pushing for common sense legislation that would to a large extent mitigate tragedies like this.


It's because they're total hypocrites.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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While I think banning all guns is the right solution as supported by the science, I'm willing to take whatever people will accept at any given time.

To me the first and most obvious is universal background checks, no exceptions.
And raise the age to own a firearm to 25
 
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