It's a problem, don't get me wrong, but it's also an increase in crime by teens, (and it's also one year in the year everyone stopped driving...)
Look at Philly and the recent shooting. Hell the huge increase in crime, shootings, carjackings, homicides. They are carrying pistols illegally already.
What is also happening, massive increases in concealed carry permits and new gun owners looking to protect themselves because they don't feel safe.
Are the current proposals really tackling that issue? How are AR bans and red flag laws going to stop teens who are illegally possessing a weapon, and never went thru a legal process to aquire one.
'aggressive and creative negotiations' in this case probably look like 'national gun registry in exchange for national voting system overhaul'. Gotta exchange one restriction of constitutional rights for another.
I think that has to do with having modern tools. I think most of the school shooters do feel spurned, and have applied that to a general group.
A very interesting read. Lots of research behind this. A book is available as well. Lots of myths around this issue on both sides.
A common thread on school shooters are that they are often bullied or outsiders and seeking revenge. They plan for months, study tactics and copy previous shooters.
It's violent, homicidal suicide.
There is a case for mental health intervention, at least for this segment of shooters.
Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention?
Mass shooters overwhelmingly fit a certain profile, say Jillian Peterson and James Densley, which means it’s possible to ID and treat them before they commit violence.www.politico.com
The GOP could give two shits about mental health. See Reagan. Hell, Gov Abbott of Texas cut mental health funding by a couple hundred million not that long ago.
Increasing long gun and long gun ammo to 21 is about the only tenable thing I can see happening in the US at this point, just to bring it in line with pistols and pistol ammo. Still not sure if that can be sold to the R voter base, though. I'm also, let's say, unconvinced of the efficacy.Yeah, I don't know what it is, but it's got to be something Rs can take back to their 2A base and sell as a trade or a win.
The suppressor bill they introduced maybe? I don't know. Something else they want? IDK if mental health funds and all that are actually a high value item to them (but would actually help if done right.) Https://www.lee.senate.gov/2021/4/sen-lee-introduces-shush-act
Politics are so bad it's going to be hard, but something has to get done, but it won't make everyone happy.
I don't want to see just another performance where lots of demands and denouncements are made, nothing real gets done other than create ads for the next election
Dems evil plan slowly coming to effect. First restrict to 21. Then surge of 25 year old shooters. Raise age to 35. Soon no guns for all!!!!!!!!Increasing long gun and long gun ammo to 21 is about the only tenable thing I can see happening in the US at this point, just to bring it in line with pistols and pistol ammo. Still not sure if that can be sold to the R voter base, though. I'm also, let's say, unconvinced of the efficacy.
Do they, though? Do they? Really? REALLY? Come on.We've been thru this before...
Ds control the legislature and the executive. Unreliable voters on this issue.
I feel like there is some number between 50 and 100 that they could get a lot more stuff done.
But people are mad that dems aren't getting anything done they want, so they'll react by voting for the people blocking everything they want. Big brain move.
They arent getting anything done, period.
Nothing that you claimed is in any of those articles, except the 1000% tax, which wasn't proposed by Biden or Beto as you claimed, and it isn't for all guns.Damn guys... You really aren't following the news and statements D politicians are making. This loose talk is why there is ZERO trust in gun control bc it's seen as the incremental steps to outright bans.
I don't agree, but I see the statements and know how they play and why it's counterproductive. All these are big news items on gun community sites, gets ppl fired up, and put huge pressure on Rs to give in on NOTHING because it's believed Ds true plan is total confiscation.
Some highlights:
A non liberal sourceJoe Biden Says 9mm Bullet 'Blows The Lung Out of The Body'
The president made the comments a day after visiting grieving families in Uvalde, Texas, where 19 children and two teachers were killed in a mass shooting.www.newsweek.com
Biden goes on anti-gun tirade, suggests there’s ‘no rational basis’ for 9mm pistols
Biden ranted against ownership of what he called “high-caliber weapons” while appearing to rule out the possibility of taking major executive action on guns.nypost.com
" Why does anyone need a 9mm, at least .22s can be surgically removed. High caliber bullets... They should be banned"
-nvm that .22s are lethal, and 9mm is actually a small pistol round, and generally the goal of self defense is to kill the person attacking you, not flesh wounds.
Nonsensical wrt previous statements, where Biden said all you need is a "double barreled shotgun" for self defense, which would do a hell of a lot more than a 9mm, or an AR. Only thing in common is more bans.
Joe Biden: buy a shotgun, not an assault rifle, to protect your home
US vice-president in online video Q&A says a 12-gauge shotgun is more than enough to see off intruderswww.theguardian.com
Beto has flip flopped back and forth on bans. He's currently on bans (for now.)
Beto O’Rourke renews calls for tougher gun laws after Uvalde shooting, including on assault weapons
O’Rourke became known on the presidential campaign trail for his “Hell yes” promise to ban assault weapons. He’s been less vocal about the policy in his run for governor but this week, after the school shooting in Uvalde, he’s been newly assertive about the issue.www.texastribune.org
The 1000% tax on ARs idea:
Democrat proposes filibuster-proof 1,000% tax on AR-15s
Rep. Don Beyer says Democrats can pass the measure without any Republican votes.www.salon.com
Goes on and on.
Right. No matter if the D's have 100% of the seats in House and Senate, it will still be the GOP's fault.
What's that? Surrounding people with violence tends to normalize violence? We meet our fate on the road to avoid it? Master Oogway was right all along?Apparently, insofar as enough evidence exists to study (and apparently it's a tough topic to study because such shootings are _relatively_ infrequent events), it's also been found that the presence of armed guards does nothing to prevent mass shootings.
Research: On-campus cops do not prevent school shootings
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has blamed others for politicizing the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, to advance discussionswww.politifact.com
Academic study linked to in above
It's even been suggested it might make such shootings _more_ likely because the visible presence of armed officers in schools helps keep the idea active in potential shooters' heads.
Apparently, insofar as enough evidence exists to study (and apparently it's a tough topic to study because such shootings are _relatively_ infrequent events), it's also been found that the presence of armed guards does nothing to prevent mass shootings.
Those are the gun nuts. Deflecting to random ideas they have instead of wanting to deal with the one obvious thing they all have in common. Guns. It's always guns. Although I think all shooters were clothed. So clothes are bad too.Anybody that thinks living in a society where schools full of children need to be hardened and teachers armed should be normalized is disturbed mentally, and in a really bad way.
What's that? Surrounding people with violence tends to normalize violence? We meet our fate on the road to avoid it? Master Oogway was right all along?
Last Week Tonight just had an episode on this and points out many reasons why they aren't necessarily the greatest thing.Apparently, insofar as enough evidence exists to study (and apparently it's a tough topic to study because such shootings are _relatively_ infrequent events), it's also been found that the presence of armed guards does nothing to prevent mass shootings.
Research: On-campus cops do not prevent school shootings
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has blamed others for politicizing the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, to advance discussionswww.politifact.com
Academic study linked to in above
It's even been suggested it might make such shootings _more_ likely because the visible presence of armed officers in schools helps keep the idea active in potential shooters' heads.
Have you ever heard of this thing called the fillibuster? I mean R's are just so damn ignorant it hurts my brain. Plus Manchin is basically an R lite.
The GOP could give two shits about mental health. See Reagan. Hell, Gov Abbott of Texas cut mental health funding by a couple hundred million not that long ago.
n recent days, Republican and Democratic negotiators have been working to settle on the best way to ensure that juvenile records are reviewed when a person between the ages of 18 and 21 goes to buy a gun like an AR-15. It's a loophole that senators like Cornyn and Tillis have said could be closed without delving into a broader expansion of background checks. But the issue has been complicated by the fact that many states expunge juvenile records when an individual turns 18 and in other states juvenile records are sealed. Only three states -- Utah, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- currently require that juvenile court records be considered in background checks, according to Giffords Law Center, which advocates for stronger gun laws in the country.
The last filibuster was 2 years ago.
The worst mass shooting was 32 killed and 17 wounded (not counting gunman) at Virginia Tech. He had 2 semi-auto pistols.Singular focus is on ARs because it's a more capable mass killing machine than a pistol...not that complicated.
It's not like the GOP/NRA/gun nutters would go for any type of ban anyway, but at least try to start with weapons like ARs, to reduce the likelihood of similar events happening.
Not true.
GOP concerns remain key obstacle in congressional gun talks - CNNPolitics
So there are state issues involved, too.