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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Where are the concessions from Republicans? They’ve always rejected any healthcare funding. Even if you include mental health no provisions to separate the mentally incapable from guns.

What does the GOP give up?

Realistically, backing any gun restrictions will be extremely tough for them and they will catch hell for making a deal.

May not be fair, but that's reality, and they have the structural advantages to survive doing nothing.

As far as mental health, please call their bluff on it. Triangulate. Don't piss on it just because they proposed it. Very in line with Democratic positions on public healthcare too.

And it will absolutely save lives.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Realistically, backing any gun restrictions will be extremely tough for them and they will catch hell for making a deal.

May not be fair, but that's reality, and they have the structural advantages to survive doing nothing.

As far as mental health, please call their bluff on it. Triangulate. Don't piss on it just because they proposed it. Very in line with Democratic positions on public healthcare too.

And it will absolutely save lives.

It won’t save lives if someone with anger management issues can still get a gun.

I don’t know why you don’t remember the Maya Angelou axiom when it comes to Republicans. I suggest reading it again.

You really think an honest negotiation is possible with a party where guns are more important to them then school kids?

We know members of SCOTUS are more important to Republicans then school children. Since Mitch is so quick to want to help them attach assault weapons ban to the bill. Let them pass your other ideas in a separate bill. Let SCOTUS pay for their own security or crowd source it
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Republicans are such shitstains, they want to allow teachers to come to work packing, making the decision to fire a weapon in a class. The same teachers they don’t trust to choose textbooks for their kids. At least the white ones (phony CRT)
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,668
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Republicans are such shitstains, they want to allow teachers to come to work packing, making the decision to fire a weapon in a class. The same teachers they don’t trust to choose textbooks for their kids. At least the white ones (phony CRT)

Guns for Groomers!...
 

eelw

Lifer
Dec 4, 1999
10,217
5,323
136
Republicans are such shitstains, they want to allow teachers to come to work packing, making the decision to fire a weapon in a class. The same teachers they don’t trust to choose textbooks for their kids. At least the white ones (phony CRT)
Exactly. This whole concessions argument is stupid. Really gun nutters, reducing kids being killed shouldn’t be enough reason???? And it’s the Dems that aren’t negotiating. And Repugnicans just wish they ranked high than a brown smear on underwear.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
10,676
5,238
136
I asked you for links to back your claims.

You didn't provide links that backed your claims.

- He never made claims that gun owners kill babies.
- He never said "we are taking your ARs and 9mms"
- The 1000% tax was there, but not on all guns, and biden wasn't the one who made this attempt, so you get partial credit for this one.

Then you post links with click bait headlines that are false. Biden never said "9mm bullets blow lungs out" - he was directly quoting what a doctor said to him.

So yeah ... nope.

You didn't actually answer my question, asking you to prove your claims and Bidens position. Noted. But you had time to complain about "sources." You still don't like it, so let's focus on one example.

We'll go video of Biden doing chopper talk with MSNBC, just a few days ago (but it's not the only time.)

Biden is discussing "rational" gun reform and what he thinks that looks like.

Then he tells the story about the doc, the .22, how it was lodged in a lung xray, and 9mm "blows the lung out of the body"

He then says:

"the idea of these high caliber weapons, there is simply no rational basis for it.. In terms of self protection or hunting."

Then hopes people are getting more "rational" about gun legislation.

Biden wants "rational" gun reform.
Biden retells the .22/ 9mm story.
Calls 9mm irrational.
Hopes congress passes "rational" reform.

Skip to 2:14 for the quotes, or watch the whole thing.

Either way, little to dispute here, altho I'm sure you will try to spin it to say he didn't say what he said.

 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
10,676
5,238
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Those "overthrowing tyrannical government" fantasies are particularly deranged given that history has shown that most violent revolutions end with another dictator in charge.

So when Russia first invaded Ukraine, we all cheered on Ukrainians making homemade Molotov Cocktails, and the old woman with the jar of pickles, in an effort to defend their freedom.
An inspiring, but underpowered defense of liberty.

We differ in that I hoped they also had assault rifles and plenty of ammo because now it's too late. Sunflower seeds and pickles won't kill orcs.

When fathers and mothers were huddled in dark basements with their children, with orc conscripts armed with AKs are bashing in the cellar door, waiting to rape the daughter and the mother in front of the bound father before executing them, I bet they wish they had them too.

The founding fathers explicitly codified a god given right for this "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your personal protection, the defense against foreign invaders, defense against tyrants. Those are the rights blood was spilled for and won.

"But it can't happen here, again!" Really? Why?
Maybe almost on Jan 6, maybe not.
Maybe not next year, maybe not in a decade, but never? You are sure your rights are out dated and no longer needed?

Our rights are eternal, but hard won and should not be treated with such disregard. Freedom and liberty are too easily lost, and a rarity in all of human history.

Enforce constitutional laws, stop criminals, intervene on the suicidal and the mentally ill, but the govt cannot strip rights to do so.
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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So when Russia first invaded Ukraine, we all cheered on Ukrainians making homemade Molotov Cocktails, and the old woman with the jar of pickles, in an effort to defend their freedom.
An inspiring, but underpowered defense of liberty.

We differ in that I hoped they also had assault rifles and plenty of ammo because now it's too late. Sunflower seeds and pickles won't kill orcs.

When fathers and mothers were huddled in dark basements with their children, with orc conscripts armed with AKs are bashing in the cellar door, waiting to rape the daughter and the mother in front of the bound father before executing them, I bet they wish they had them too.

The founding fathers explicitly codified a god given right for this "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your personal protection, the defense against foreign invaders, defense against tyrants. Those are the rights blood was spilled for and won.

"But it can't happen here, again!" Really? Why?
Maybe almost on Jan 6, maybe not.
Maybe not next year, maybe not in a decade, but never? You are sure your rights are out dated and no longer needed?

Our rights are eternal, but hard won and should not be treated with such disregard. Freedom and liberty are too easily lost, and a rarity in all of human history.

Enforce constitutional laws, stop criminals, intervene on the suicidal and the mentally ill, but the govt cannot strip rights to do so.

...meanwhile, Americans are getting PTSD from all the random shootings. You have a Military for defense. You don't need a bunch of disorganized yahoos that one after the other decides to take a bunch of innocent people with them in their ultimate Killing Fantasy.

Every argument that Guns improve Domestic Life is demonstrably false.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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So when Russia first invaded Ukraine, we all cheered on Ukrainians making homemade Molotov Cocktails, and the old woman with the jar of pickles, in an effort to defend their freedom.
An inspiring, but underpowered defense of liberty.

We differ in that I hoped they also had assault rifles and plenty of ammo because now it's too late. Sunflower seeds and pickles won't kill orcs.

When fathers and mothers were huddled in dark basements with their children, with orc conscripts armed with AKs are bashing in the cellar door, waiting to rape the daughter and the mother in front of the bound father before executing them, I bet they wish they had them too.

The founding fathers explicitly codified a god given right for this "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your personal protection, the defense against foreign invaders, defense against tyrants. Those are the rights blood was spilled for and won.

"But it can't happen here, again!" Really? Why?
Maybe almost on Jan 6, maybe not.
Maybe not next year, maybe not in a decade, but never? You are sure your rights are out dated and no longer needed?

Our rights are eternal, but hard won and should not be treated with such disregard. Freedom and liberty are too easily lost, and a rarity in all of human history.

Enforce constitutional laws, stop criminals, intervene on the suicidal and the mentally ill, but the govt cannot strip rights to do so.

You gun nuts never read the WELL-REGULATED MILITIA part about the whole being security for a free State. What about the hundreds of millions of guns out there now seems like a well-regulated militia designed to defend the country?

Do you really believe the shit you type?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
38,246
31,117
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So when Russia first invaded Ukraine, we all cheered on Ukrainians making homemade Molotov Cocktails, and the old woman with the jar of pickles, in an effort to defend their freedom.
An inspiring, but underpowered defense of liberty.

We differ in that I hoped they also had assault rifles and plenty of ammo because now it's too late. Sunflower seeds and pickles won't kill orcs.

When fathers and mothers were huddled in dark basements with their children, with orc conscripts armed with AKs are bashing in the cellar door, waiting to rape the daughter and the mother in front of the bound father before executing them, I bet they wish they had them too.

The founding fathers explicitly codified a god given right for this "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your personal protection, the defense against foreign invaders, defense against tyrants. Those are the rights blood was spilled for and won.

"But it can't happen here, again!" Really? Why?
Maybe almost on Jan 6, maybe not.
Maybe not next year, maybe not in a decade, but never? You are sure your rights are out dated and no longer needed?

Our rights are eternal, but hard won and should not be treated with such disregard. Freedom and liberty are too easily lost, and a rarity in all of human history.

Enforce constitutional laws, stop criminals, intervene on the suicidal and the mentally ill, but the govt cannot strip rights to do so.

If we apply your logic to Ukraine in order to end the war Zelensky should give the Russians the land they want just to end the shooting. Yeah it’s unfair but the war would be over. At least if you believe Putin. Or in this case Republicans

2A didn’t apply to black people. In fact the first gun control enacted around 1680 specifically prohibited blacks from owning guns

Kinda changes the meaning of God given right. Not really God given, huh?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
33,262
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So when Russia first invaded Ukraine, we all cheered on Ukrainians making homemade Molotov Cocktails, and the old woman with the jar of pickles, in an effort to defend their freedom.
An inspiring, but underpowered defense of liberty.

We differ in that I hoped they also had assault rifles and plenty of ammo because now it's too late. Sunflower seeds and pickles won't kill orcs.

When fathers and mothers were huddled in dark basements with their children, with orc conscripts armed with AKs are bashing in the cellar door, waiting to rape the daughter and the mother in front of the bound father before executing them, I bet they wish they had them too.

The founding fathers explicitly codified a god given right for this "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Your personal protection, the defense against foreign invaders, defense against tyrants. Those are the rights blood was spilled for and won.

"But it can't happen here, again!" Really? Why?
Maybe almost on Jan 6, maybe not.
Maybe not next year, maybe not in a decade, but never? You are sure your rights are out dated and no longer needed?

Our rights are eternal, but hard won and should not be treated with such disregard. Freedom and liberty are too easily lost, and a rarity in all of human history.

Enforce constitutional laws, stop criminals, intervene on the suicidal and the mentally ill, but the govt cannot strip rights to do so.


Apparently being a gun nut means you are fucking retarded.

The founding fathers clearly spelled out that states, states you fucking idiot, had the right to protect themselves. Hence the reason they spelled out in the constitution (you know the other part besides the 2nd that you’ve clearly never read), under article 1 section 8 clause 15, 16, where they not only specified what militias are to be used for (hey you got that part correct!) BUT it also specifically spelled out what a militia is, who is responsible for creating the regulations and who is responsible for implementing those regulations. Hint: it was congress that set the regulations and it was the states who chose who did the training. Now get this you piece of shit ammosexual, the constitution also states that the intent was also to protect against rebellion and insurrections, you conveniently left that part out.

So riddle me this, dipshit, how is it that the 2nd is an individual right when it’s for the states protection and it’s the governments duty to put down the very people who would claim to be overthrowing a tyrannical government? Furthermore explain to me who gets to decide when a government crosses the line into tyranny? Would it be when the majority who voted for that very government say so? That’s sounds odd to want to destroy the government that they voted for doesn’t it? Would it be the minority who didn’t vote for that government? How small of a minority would get to decide that? 49% of the country? 30? 15%, 5%?

Here is what you don’t fucking get, because you’ve got a metal penis for a brain, overthrowing a government duly elected by a majority is the real threat to our democracy, what you support is authoritarianism. Do you understand that? Do you understand that we now have multiple generations of kids who have had to grow up impacted by gun violence and scared when it will happen at their school? Not to mention all the other places gun violence is likely to occur (bad neighborhoods, road rage, office spaces, retail stores). Does that sound like freedom to you? Does that sound like a winning strategy for democracy?

Every fucking time you gun nutters open your fucking mouth, you make it all the more clear that the only solution is a complete ban and confiscation. Of course a lot of people would die because of that but do you know who would take the brunt of that force? You dumb ass gun nutters who put your toys before your country and you know what? I’m ok with that. Maybe it’s about time you idiots start fearing for your lives because you certainly don’t seem to give a fuck about anyone else’s life.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Arguing the intent of the 2A in order to change it is fruitless, as again, you have to get Republicans to change their mind which they seem intent on not changing. So feel free to argue argue argue but it isn't going anywhere.
 
Nov 29, 2006
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So when Russia first invaded Ukraine, we all cheered on Ukrainians making homemade Molotov Cocktails, and the old woman with the jar of pickles, in an effort to defend their freedom.
An inspiring, but underpowered defense of liberty.

We differ in that I hoped they also had assault rifles and plenty of ammo because now it's too late. Sunflower seeds and pickles won't kill orcs.

When fathers and mothers were huddled in dark basements with their children, with orc conscripts armed with AKs are bashing in the cellar door, waiting to rape the daughter and the mother in front of the bound father before executing them, I bet they wish they had them too.

The founding fathers explicitly codified a god given right for this "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your personal protection, the defense against foreign invaders, defense against tyrants. Those are the rights blood was spilled for and won.

"But it can't happen here, again!" Really? Why?
Maybe almost on Jan 6, maybe not.
Maybe not next year, maybe not in a decade, but never? You are sure your rights are out dated and no longer needed?

Our rights are eternal, but hard won and should not be treated with such disregard. Freedom and liberty are too easily lost, and a rarity in all of human history.

Enforce constitutional laws, stop criminals, intervene on the suicidal and the mentally ill, but the govt cannot strip rights to do so.

I highlighted the most important part for you, its literally the first sentence showing its importance. Basically it boils down to our National Guard is what they are saying. The part every gun owner and our government over look.
 
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thilanliyan

Lifer
Jun 21, 2005
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Your gun grabbing isn't going to stop crazies from existing, and who wants to fight a psycho with a knife and crow bar with their fists?

You feel ok letting your wife fight off knife wielding attackers or rapists with fists?
Errr, gun grabbing DOES work to prevent mass murders, as has been proved over and over again in other countries. Those countries still have "crazies", but they don't have mass murders on the scale of the US.
 
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dlerious

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The founding fathers clearly spelled out that states, states you fucking idiot, had the right to protect themselves. Hence the reason they spelled out in the constitution (you know the other part besides the 2nd that you’ve clearly never read), under article 1 section 8 clause 15, 16, where they not only specified what militias are to be used for (hey you got that part correct!) BUT it also specifically spelled out what a militia is, who is responsible for creating the regulations and who is responsible for implementing those regulations. Hint: it was congress that set the regulations and it was the states who chose who did the training. Now get this you piece of shit ammosexual, the constitution also states that the intent was also to protect against rebellion and insurrections, you conveniently left that part out.
What about the part of clause 16 that says 'and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States ' ? Sounds like some of the militia may have been armed private citizens which may be why the second part of the second amendment says "the right of the people" instead of the right of Militia members.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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What about the part of clause 16 that says 'and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States ' ? Sounds like some of the militia may have been armed private citizens which may be why the second part of the second amendment says "the right of the people" instead of the right of Militia members.

Lol no. That part specifically allows the government to call upon the very same militias the government is training using the regulations congress set.

How exactly would random people defend our country back then when it’s an area that’s not near them? How would government know to call upon them? How exactly would they win any battles if they all aren’t trained exactly the same?

Just using basic logic and basic reading skills and comprehension should put to bed any notion that random individuals would protect this nation from a foreign or domestic attack.
 

thilanliyan

Lifer
Jun 21, 2005
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Just using basic logic and basic reading skills and comprehension should put to bed any notion that random individuals would protect this nation from a foreign or domestic attack.
But I've watched all the Rambo movies like 10 times!!! That's like basic training in the military isn't it?!
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Yes, like a lot of these mass murderers.

He just gave up before the murder and suicide part. Buffalo shooter got to the murder and gun under the chin part.

Your gun grabbing isn't going to stop crazies from existing, and who wants to fight a psycho with a knife and crow bar with their fists?

You feel ok letting your wife fight off knife wielding attackers or rapists with fists?
Until you can talk intelligently about the risks of owning a firearm I don't think we put much stock in your position on firearms. Need to educate yourself first otherwise it's just a bunch of emotional responses masquerading as pseudo common sense
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Errr, gun grabbing DOES work to prevent mass murders, as has been proved over and over again in other countries. Those countries still have "crazies", but they don't have mass murders on the scale of the US.
This is what is annoying about the gun nutters in the USA.

Pretty much every thing they are arguing against saying it won't work, etc, you can reply with "but in the other countries it works just fine" and they pretty much have nothing else to say other than "BUT MUH 2A FREEDUMBS!"
 
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