Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

[kt]

@FlawleZ you ever going to bother telling us how you are going to hardened the schools? Or has Tucker not told you that part yet?

Door control is the solution, not gun control. That's what all the mass shootings have in common, the shooters came through a door that was left open and unsecured. So, we need more door control to eliminate all these mass shootings. We need to limit the number of doors each person can buy and make sure that the doors they buy are properly secured. All door operators will need at least one week training on how to properly operate and secure a door. There will be an annual renewal of license to operate a door where you will undergo a mandatory 8hr course.

Ok, ok, that sounds pretty dumb. Right? Well, not so dumb for some Republicans.

After 21 people were killed, the Republican party’s newest enemy is … doors | Arwa Mahdawi

After the horrific school shooting in Texas, some Republicans are choosing to channel their energy towards door control to deflect from gun reform

www.theguardian.com

 

[dlerious]

You can always buy a bunker and hide in it

I prefer having the ability to defend myself, my family, and friends than hoping someone else will come along in time to protect us.

 

[sdifox]

I prefer having the ability to defend myself, my family, and friends than hoping someone else will come along in time to protect us.

a bunker will stop intruders. Short of a tank.

 

[dlerious]

Show me anyone that routinely wears body armor unless they plan on getting into some shit. No one walks around their neighborhood with a bullet proof vest on.

Why do I have to wear it all the time? Why can't I have it ready, so when the news says there's an armed and dangerous suspect in my area, I can put it on until the threat has been eliminated?

 

[dlerious]

a bunker will stop intruders. Short of a tank.

Unfortunately, the locations I wanted to put my bunker (Cheyenne Mountain, Crystal Peak, Raven Rock, etc.) are currently occupied by extremely heavily armed people.

 

[sdifox]

Unfortunately, the locations I wanted to put my bunker (Cheyenne Mountain, Crystal Peak, Raven Rock, etc.) are currently occupied by extremely heavily armed people.

Yucca is available. the nuclear waste dump never got built.

 

[HomerJS]

I prefer having the ability to defend myself, my family, and friends than hoping someone else will come along in time to protect us.

Why do you need an offensive weapon to defend yourself? Handgun won’t do? AR-15s are offensive making it easier to kill a lot of people in a short time

 

[pmv]

a bunker will stop intruders. Short of a tank.

Then he could change his forum name to "Archie Bunker"

 

[nickqt]

Why do you need an offensive weapon to defend yourself? Handgun won’t do? AR-15s are offensive making it easier to kill a lot of people in a short time

An AR-15 is a firearm platform. Most likely he isn't going to use an AR-15 chambered in .22 for home defense. Are you asking why he wants a (probable) 5.56/.223 for home defense? The answer is that a 5.56 is more powerful than a 9mm. People get shot with 9mm and keep on going all the time, less so with a 5.56/.223.

There isn't anything inherently "offensive" about a AR-15 chambered in 5.56/.223 that isn't also "defensive".

 

[Captante]

You can always buy a bunker and hide in it

I would if I could!

 

[sandorski]

Doors, the scourge of the nation. What's behind the Door, you don't know. Make sure to design the Doorway with Murder Holes and clear Lines of Sight.

I still like the idea of Ceiling Turrets. Computerized Anti Terrorist or CAT for short, then they should be made so that at any angle they appear as Ceiling Cat. For most it will be amusing and cute, but for some they will be a convenient Masturbation Suppression device. Everybody wins...

 

[Captante]

 

[sdifox]

I would if I could!

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[HomerJS]

An AR-15 is a firearm platform. Most likely he isn't going to use an AR-15 chambered in .22 for home defense. Are you asking why he wants a (probable) 5.56/.223 for home defense? The answer is that a 5.56 is more powerful than a 9mm. People get shot with 9mm and keep on going all the time, less so with a 5.56/.223.

There isn't anything inherently "offensive" about a AR-15 chambered in 5.56/.223 that isn't also "defensive".

When police won’t go in to stop a killer because in their own words “we are outgunned” those weapons are for offense not defense.

I suspect the reasons an AR-15 is the weapon of choice when mass shooters go to work is a short list

 

[soulcougher73]

Why are they trying to ban something that is defensive like body armor? See S9407 in New York.

probably because it’s harder for cops to take down lunatic responsible gun owners when they decide to not be responsible gun owners anymore.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

probably because it’s harder for cops to take down lunatic responsible gun owners when they decide to not be responsible gun owners anymore.

TBF, it's also harder to ensure there isn't a witness when they turn off their body cam and kill an unarmed POC after 'feeling threatened'.

 

[Zorba]

I prefer having the ability to defend myself, my family, and friends than hoping someone else will come along in time to protect us.

There is no way you and your family actually goes out with body armor on. You are full of shit.

 

[nickqt]

When police won’t go in to stop a killer because in their own words “we are outgunned” those weapons are for offense not defense.

I suspect the reasons an AR-15 is the weapon of choice when mass shooters go to work is a short list

Again, the AR-15 is a platform. It can be chambered in .22, and while still deadly, wouldn't be the first choice to commit mass murder. It could also be chambered in .308 and be higher powered than the "normal" 5.56/.223.

Trying to say an AR-15 is automatically an "offensive" weapon because police say they are outgunned is irrelevant to the fact that an AR-15 can be used as a defensive weapon. If someone is going to walk into my house to murder me, I'd much rather have an AR-15 chambered in 5.56/.223 than a .22 rimfire, or 9mm handgun. That would be a defensive use.

Y'all are getting into the weeds using vague and arbitrary terms. Stick to taxing, increasing age, stricter background checks, etc. Saying things like "offensive" is just a way people who you disagree with can move the goalposts.

It's not necessarily the shape of the gun that makes it powerful, it's typically the size of the cartridge paired with the length of the barrel. There's a reason why sawed-off shotguns are typically illegal even if not semi-automatic.

 

[Meghan54]

Again, the AR-15 is a platform. It can be chambered in .22, and while still deadly, wouldn't be the first choice to commit mass murder. It could also be chambered in .308 and be higher powered than the "normal" 5.56/.223.

Trying to say an AR-15 is automatically an "offensive" weapon because police say they are outgunned is irrelevant to the fact that an AR-15 can be used as a defensive weapon. If someone is going to walk into my house to murder me, I'd much rather have an AR-15 chambered in 5.56/.223 than a .22 rimfire, or 9mm handgun. That would be a defensive use.

Y'all are getting into the weeds using vague and arbitrary terms. Stick to taxing, increasing age, stricter background checks, etc. Saying things like "offensive" is just a way people who you disagree with can move the goalposts.

It's not necessarily the shape of the gun that makes it powerful, it's typically the size of the cartridge paired with the length of the barrel. There's a reason why sawed-off shotguns are typically illegal even if not semi-automatic.

Then how about this? Again? No semi-auto rifles. Hard to reload 10 rounds in 2 seconds with a bolt action...not to mention how "bad" it feels having to deal with recoil instead of having the buffer spring absorb the shock.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Y'all are getting into the weeds using vague and arbitrary terms. Stick to taxing, increasing age, stricter background checks, etc. Saying things like "offensive" is just a way people who you disagree with can move the goalposts.

Been beating this drum for a while. If you think you can swing a semi-auto ban, go for it, knock it out of the park. But as soon as you start using words that can be lawyered into uselessness, you've already lost the plot and you may as well just return to the start of the game board.

 

[blackangst1]

Thank God Westchester, NY is passing legislation with teeth. Warning labels must be displayed and given to those who buy a firearm or get a license.

Westchester To Require Warning Signs Where Firearms Are Sold | White Plains, NY Patch

 

[blackangst1]

Then how about this? Again? No semi-auto rifles. Hard to reload 10 rounds in 2 seconds with a bolt action...not to mention how "bad" it feels having to deal with recoil instead of having the buffer spring absorb the shock.

Good luck with that.

 

[nickqt]

Then how about this? Again? No semi-auto rifles. Hard to reload 10 rounds in 2 seconds with a bolt action...not to mention how "bad" it feels having to deal with recoil instead of having the buffer spring absorb the shock.

Take a step back and figure out what it is you want to accomplish, and then go from there. You want to ban every semi-automatic firearm? Then figure out the language that is going to cover all of those firearms. But saying "offensive" is a vague and arbitrary term that is just going to get your political opponents to move goal posts and bog you down with irrelevant language. Many people have definitely used an AR-15 as a purely "defensive" weapon in this country. So, saying "offensive" isn't helping your cause.

While I do not support banning all semi-automatic firearms, I'm not going to stand in anyone's way. I also won't sell any firearms that I own back, and I think there is close to zero chance that there is going to be active confiscation of semi-automatic firearms. If, somehow you were to successfully pass a law that called for an active confiscation of all semi-automatic firearms, you can be sure that people will die in that situation at best, and at worse could start the hot civil war that I'd prefer we avoid altogether.

To be clear, I think my political allies should safely own and learn to operate firearms because when the fascists come to murder you in your sleep, the police not only won't be there to protect you, some of them might be there in their civilian clothes or paramilitary uniforms. Anyone who talks about fascism, whether DeSantis or Abbott or any number of current Republicans who have actual power, but then hand-wave away the possibility of fascists doing what fascists do when they have power, are whistling past the graveyard on that one.

You can attempt to ban any and all firearms that you want. I don't think you're going to be successful, and I'm not going to oppose you, but I still believe it's a liberal own-goal. The fascists are still working to overthrow the government. And in case y'all haven't really listened to what the fascists are saying, their trajectory is murdering liberals as their "last stand to defend themselves". That's how fascists always greenlight murdering their fellow citizens.

 

[esquared]

If you've ever interacted with small town cops and gotten on their bad side this will sound familiar.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1533068603309838336

Call the cowards bluff on this.
Too chickenshit to try to save the kids but no problem bullying the mother with threats.
Disgusting POS.

Fire every fucking one in that PD.

 

[dlerious]

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