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dlerious

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-nvm that .22s are lethal, and 9mm is actually a small pistol round, and generally the goal of self defense is to kill the person attacking you, not flesh wounds.
The goal of self defense should be to stop the threat.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Greg Abbott already did that. Let's say you turn all schools into armed prisons, what are you going to do with all the soft kid friendly targets around town?

Gonna imprison, playgrounds, grocery stores, day cares, toy stores, libraries, movie theaters, amusement parks, sports arenas? If you can't imprison them to the same level you just did schools will you close them all?

Did I leave anything out?

Sports arenas and stadiums should only have one door.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Folks, I just spent most of yesterday, 12 hours, sitting in the ER with my sister waiting for a doctor to see my sister. And this is the major hospital in a major capital city of a major midwestern state.
So believe me when I say, we're all living in a third world nation plain and simple.
Add this to the subject of this thread, guns and gun violence, and there you are. Truly a third world nation indeed.
What more proof do you need?

Proof... in that we vote for insurrectionist? That we applaud the overthrowing of our own government? That our morals are turned upside down with terrorist running for elected office THEN actually get elected?
Yep. Third world nation, folks.
Third would countries really don't care about their children, which is obvious when our own elected terrorist insurrectionist officials prefer assault weapons over children.
Third world. That's the number three followed by the words world nation. That means we are not number one, we are number three. Number three in more ways than I can explain. But you know this already... We all know this already....

America is a third world nation with a few hundred untaxable billionaires.

Childish Gambino was right four years ago when he showed the only thing that gets protected after murders is the gun.

 
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Drach

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I would like to put this here. As a gun owner and father I couldn't have said it better.
Please take a moment of your time to watch this.
 
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Bitek

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Apparently, insofar as enough evidence exists to study (and apparently it's a tough topic to study because such shootings are _relatively_ infrequent events), it's also been found that the presence of armed guards does nothing to prevent mass shootings.


Academic study linked to in above



It's even been suggested it might make such shootings _more_ likely because the visible presence of armed officers in schools helps keep the idea active in potential shooters' heads.

It seems at best they can end mass shootings faster, if they respond, and if they manage to shoot the active shooter.... But stop them outright... Doesn't seem so.

The recent gunfight in Philly was in an area Philly police heavily increased presence due to social media activity. Gun fight happened anyway. One gunman was shot by police, another shot by a guy who was carrying, and was shot by the first gunman. Not clear yet how the brawl started.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Nothing that you claimed is in any of those articles, except the 1000% tax, which wasn't proposed by Biden or Beto as you claimed, and it isn't for all guns.

So you are about at a 3.7% accuracy with your claims.

Better than 0% I guess.

You come back with just "Nope" when you ask me for links?!

If you don't think this is correct, you prove what their true positions are.

They've said exactly that. Everyone watched Betos "hell yes I'm taking your guns" primary debate. He backed off of it for the Texas gov race, and now he's back to a ban position. He then crashed the press conference and pointed his finger at the stage and blamed the gov for the shooting. Then he went to Houston NRA convention and joined the fracas down there and the familiar signs of "blood on your hands" etc etc and urged protestors to "get in their faces before another child is shot."

Biden has actually waxed poetically over the years about using shotguns for home defense, and how terrible 9mm pistols are.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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You come back with just "Nope" when you ask me for links?!

If you don't think this is correct, you prove what their true positions are.

They've said exactly that. Everyone watched Betos "hell yes I'm taking your guns" primary debate. He backed off of it for the Texas gov race, and now he's back to a ban position. He then crashed the press conference and pointed his finger at the stage and blamed the gov for the shooting. Then he went to Houston NRA convention and joined the fracas down there and the familiar signs of "blood on your hands" etc etc and urged protestors to "get in their faces before another child is shot."

Biden has actually waxed poetically over the years about using shotguns for home defense, and how terrible 9mm pistols are.
I asked you for links to back your claims.

You didn't provide links that backed your claims.

- He never made claims that gun owners kill babies.
- He never said "we are taking your ARs and 9mms"
- The 1000% tax was there, but not on all guns, and biden wasn't the one who made this attempt, so you get partial credit for this one.

Then you post links with click bait headlines that are false. Biden never said "9mm bullets blow lungs out" - he was directly quoting what a doctor said to him.

So yeah ... nope.
 
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dank69

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You come back with just "Nope" when you ask me for links?!

If you don't think this is correct, you prove what their true positions are.

They've said exactly that. Everyone watched Betos "hell yes I'm taking your guns" primary debate. He backed off of it for the Texas gov race, and now he's back to a ban position. He then crashed the press conference and pointed his finger at the stage and blamed the gov for the shooting. Then he went to Houston NRA convention and joined the fracas down there and the familiar signs of "blood on your hands" etc etc and urged protestors to "get in their faces before another child is shot."

Biden has actually waxed poetically over the years about using shotguns for home defense, and how terrible 9mm pistols are.
The fuck is wrong with you. I seem to remember you used to be well tethered to reality. Now you sound like the average Fox News ditto head.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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The fuck is wrong with you. I seem to remember you used to be well tethered to reality. Now you sound like the average Fox News ditto head.

it’s scary how emotional attachment to firearms can change a persons communication at this level. Some of the most reasonable or thoughtful people just lose their shit over this topic.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The worst mass shooting was 32 killed and 17 wounded (not counting gunman) at Virginia Tech. He had 2 semi-auto pistols.
Wrong quiz kid. Stop getting your information from Tucker Carlson. Look at these list of weapons and tell us how many are just handguns. We haven't even broached the subject of magazine size. People killed was double the number you listed.
Guns found inside Mandalay Bay rooms 32-135 and 32-134:
  • Colt M4 Carbine AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. Front sight only.
  • Noveske N4 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 40 round magazine. EOTech optic.
  • LWRC M61C AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. No sights or optics.
  • POF USA P-308 AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod, scope and 25 round magazine
  • Christensen Arms CA-15 AR-15 .223 Wylde with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. No sights or optics.
  • POF USA P-15 P AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. No sights or optics.
  • Colt Competition AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. No sights or optics.
  • Smith & Wesson 342 AirLite .38 caliber revolver with 4 cartridges, 1 expended cartridge case.
  • LWRC M61C AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. EOTech optic.
  • FNH FM15 AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod, scope and 25 round magazine.
  • Daniel Defense DD5V1 AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod, scope and 25 round magazine.
  • FNH FN15 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. EOTech optic.
  • POF USA P15 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. EOTech optic.
  • Colt M4 Carbine AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine.
  • Daniel Defense M4A1 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. EOTech optic.
  • LMT Def. 2000 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. No sights or optics.
  • Daniel Defense DDM4V11 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip. No magazine. EOTech optic.
  • Sig Sauer SIG716 AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod, red dot optic and 25 round magazine.
  • Daniel Defense DD5V1 AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod and scope. No magazine.
  • FNH FN15 AR-15 .223/5.56 with a bump stock, vertical fore grip and 100 round magazine. No sights or optics.
  • Ruger American .308 caliber bolt action rifle with scope.
  • LMT LM308MWS AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod and red dot scope. No magazine.
  • Ruger SR0762 AR-10 .308/7.62 with a bipod, scope and 25 round magazine.
  • LMT LM308MWS AR-10 with a bipod, scope and 25 round magazine.
LIST: Guns and evidence in Vegas mass shooting (ktnv.com)
 
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fskimospy

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While better mental health treatment would be welcome for a hundred reasons, very far down the list is reducing gun violence.

If you want to reduce gun violence everyone here knows the answer. Get rid of the guns. If you want examples as to its efficacy you can look at most of the rest of the developed world. It works.

Now if you want to say the current level of gun violence is a price you are willing to pay to keep your guns then just say so - enough pretending the guns aren’t the source of the problem though.
 

fskimospy

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Maybe the last "official" filibuster, but the threat of one along with procedural rules has prevented many cloture votes from even being attempted.
The way the filibuster works now is a member emails the majority leader of their intent to filibuster the upcoming measure. So as to not waste the senate’s time they usually just move on if they don’t have 60 votes as you say.

I don’t see the purpose in playing word games to pretend this is not a filibuster.
 

brycejones

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The way the filibuster works now is a member emails the majority leader of their intent to filibuster the upcoming measure. So as to not waste the senate’s time they usually just move on if they don’t have 60 votes as you say.

I don’t see the purpose in playing word games to pretend this is not a filibuster.
@blackangst lives to play word games here. The pattern is sad and tiring.
 

Mai72

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Ronald Reagan addresses the NRA in 1983. This was about 2 years after he was almost assasinated.

He quotes the US constitution: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." This IS the core issue, correct. I can see why its so hard to get any gun laws passeed, because many Americans will look at it as a threat to our democracy. I don't know what the answer is. Guns are as American as apple pie it would seem.

 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Ronald Reagan addresses the NRA in 1983. This was about 2 years after he was almost assasinated.

He quotes the US constitution: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." This IS the core issue, correct. I can see why its so hard to get any gun laws passeed, because many Americans will look at it as a threat to our democracy. I don't know what the answer is. Guns are as American as apple pie it would seem.

Polls are pretty clear - people want guns out of the deluded idea that they are safer for owning one. Only the true gun nuts own them for the purpose of overthrowing the government if it becomes tyrannical.
 
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Polls are pretty clear - people want guns out of the deluded idea that they are safer for owning one. Only the true gun nuts own them for the purpose of overthrowing the government if it becomes tyrannical.
Those "overthrowing tyrannical government" fantasies are particularly deranged given that history has shown that most violent revolutions end with another dictator in charge.
 
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