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These idiots were ill-prepared. Why didn't they have full body shields? What about throwing a tear gas canister into the classroom? Seems like they had no training in dealing with an incident like this and the public was just fattening them up for nothing.
 
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She admitted to it.
There is no doubt that the DNC, including Debbie Wasserman Shultz, was discussing ways to sink Bernie's campaign from behind the scenes. The emails of them doing so was leaked.
What we don't know is if they ever implemented any of those ideas, or if it would have mattered even if they did.
What we do know is that Hillary won the primary and lost the general.
We also know that Trump's campaign wanted to run against Bernie because they thought they had a better chance against him. So, we have no real reason to think that Bernie would have won the general if he had been the democratic candidate.

Overall playing the what-if game is pretty much useless.
 

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There is no doubt that the DNC, including Debbie Wasserman Shultz, was discussing ways to sink Bernie's campaign from behind the scenes. The emails of them doing so was leaked.
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This is the most comprehensive write-up I can find and the only one that provides links to specific emails. In other words, the absolute worst of the worst emails about this incident:


Please note that despite the click-bait headline there is no "there" there. One person suggested attacking him for being Jewish/Atheist (and notice how they don't link the email response which was a hard "no") and one other person suggested outing how poorly run his campaign was. That's it!
 
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This is the most comprehensive write-up I can find and the only one that provides links to specific emails. In other words, the absolute worst of the worst emails about this incident:


Please note that despite the click-bait headline there is no "there" there. One person suggested attacking him for being Jewish/Atheist (and notice how they don't link the email response which was a hard "no") and one other person suggested outing how poorly run his campaign was. That's it!
It is enough. It clearly shows that they were antagonistic towards his campaign. As I said there is no evidence that they ever implemented any plans to harm his campaign, nor that it would have made a lick of difference if they had.
Don't get me wrong, I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general, and would do it again if she ran in 2024, because I know dam well that she is a hell of a lot better than anyone the GOP could possibly vomit up on the national stage.
 

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It is enough. It clearly shows that they were antagonistic towards his campaign. As I said there is no evidence that they ever implemented any plans to harm his campaign, nor that it would have made a lick of difference if they had.
Don't get me wrong, I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general, and would do it again if she ran in 2024, because I know dam well that she is a hell of a lot better than anyone the GOP could possibly vomit up on the national stage.
By "they" you mean exactly two people. Out of thousands.

EDIT: to be completely honest, there was another email from a major donor asking why the DNC allowed Sanders to run as a Democrat at all given he was not a Democrat. So three whole people.
 

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It is enough. It clearly shows that they were antagonistic towards his campaign. As I said there is no evidence that they ever implemented any plans to harm his campaign, nor that it would have made a lick of difference if they had.
Don't get me wrong, I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general, and would do it again if she ran in 2024, because I know dam well that she is a hell of a lot better than anyone the GOP could possibly vomit up on the national stage.
Antagonistic! Oh the horror!
 

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Lifer
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By "they" you mean exactly two people. Out of thousands.

EDIT: to be completely honest, there was another email from a major donor asking why the DNC allowed Sanders to run as a Democrat at all given he was not a Democrat. So three whole people.

Just two of the people at the top.

It matters. To me it clearly shows that there is/was a problem at the top of the DNC that needed to be addressed. Maybe it was, but Biden being the last candidate does not bode well. It still looks like the DNC is heavily favoring the old school conservative establishment candidates while relying on younger progressive minority demographics to get them elected.
 

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Just two of the people at the top.

It matters. To me it clearly shows that there is/was a problem at the top of the DNC that needed to be addressed. Maybe it was, but Biden being the last candidate does not bode well. It still looks like the DNC is heavily favoring the old school conservative establishment candidates while relying on younger progressive minority demographics to get them elected.
It's their party they can do what they want with it. If we want a progressive party we need to destroy the GOP first. It is up to us, not them. They should be able to rely on progressives being smart enough to know that the GOP is a danger to us all and not stupid enough to get caught up on how pure the DNC is because it doesn't matter right now. Taking the reality that the DNC was not 100% on board with a progressive hijacking their party and turning it into "the DNC screwed Sanders" plays right into the GOP's hands.
 

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Just two of the people at the top.

It matters. To me it clearly shows that there is/was a problem at the top of the DNC that needed to be addressed. Maybe it was, but Biden being the last candidate does not bode well. It still looks like the DNC is heavily favoring the old school conservative establishment candidates while relying on younger progressive minority demographics to get them elected.
As a lifelong democrat, the party has never, been as left as I want it to be. The problem is, and you guys just won't believe it is that the country is basically right center for the most. I've seen this with my own eyes all my life. We have to run someone who can win, and very left will never ever win unless this country gets it head out of it own ass. Unfortunately, the very wealthy have mostly lobotomized most of the population with don't look at your actual situation, look at our made up situation which we will tell you what it is and what to be afraid of. The DNC actually knows this.
 

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There are many, many supporters of Bernie Sanders who are honest-hearted, believe in fair play and equality.

What most will not believe or accept is the sad truth that many Bernie supporters proved downright intolerant, vicious and racist to the bone.

I learned this by talking to so many on Facebook. I could not believe the hatred many of them exhibited for Blacks and other People of Color, the dismissal of viewpoints different from their own and the attitude that Barack Obama's two triumphs on his way to the Oval Office were no big deal.

After realizing this, I began noticing the lack of respect most had for those who were older, the disdain for honest dialogue and the wholesale acceptance of the worst lies about Hillary.

It was not just the relentless trashing of Hillary, it was the continuous bashing of the Democratic Party as if the decades of struggle to thwart the worst of the Right meant nothing. Barack was nothing special. I completely disagree.

The only things that counted were Bernie's ideas. A guy I learned to despise after his advice to Black America in the face of rampant and escalating police brutality when he had the fucking nerve to say: "Black people need to be polite to police."

Even when most Blacks are polite to cops, many of us still get shot or beaten.

Finally, someone had the gonads to tell the ugly truth about Bernie supporters and progressives in general. They're impressed only with their own power.

Which is why Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez continues to show her contempt for Black men by attacking NYC Mayor Eric Adams in public. Instead of back channeling her angst. When she first burst on the scene, AOC had a PAC called Justice Democrats.

Her PAC targeted several House members for defeat who didn't her share Socialist viewpoints. All were elected Black men.

Why did many Bernie Bots feel the way they do? They never cared about people such as me in the first place.

 
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