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Lezunto

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Hal2Kilo is absolutely correct. No voter is going to support a knucklehead preaching ideas straight out of immediate post-Tsarist Russia.

And many of us on the Left do not care for people who hate Blacks, Latinos and those who have a different viewpoint.

Deal with it.
 

fskimospy

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Oh, I forgot. I was adressed folks who refuse to read anything but their own press clippings.

Here ya go ... This is from 2017 and it is from Vox, Enjoy.

It is once again baffling to me that the fact that Republicans explicitly promoted a campaign in both 2008 and 2016 to have Republican voters vote in Democratic primaries to prop up the losing candidate is not even mentioned.

Like... it's probably the single biggest factor and it's not even brought up. Absolute incompetence.
 
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MrSquished

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There are many, many supporters of Bernie Sanders who are honest-hearted, believe in fair play and equality.

What most will not believe or accept is the sad truth that many Bernie supporters proved downright intolerant, vicious and racist to the bone.

I learned this by talking to so many on Facebook. I could not believe the hatred many of them exhibited for Blacks and other People of Color, the dismissal of viewpoints different from their own and the attitude that Barack Obama's two triumphs on his way to the Oval Office were no big deal.

After realizing this, I began noticing the lack of respect most had for those who were older, the disdain for honest dialogue and the wholesale acceptance of the worst lies about Hillary.

It was not just the relentless trashing of Hillary, it was the continuous bashing of the Democratic Party as if the decades of struggle to thwart the worst of the Right meant nothing. Barack was nothing special. I completely disagree.

The only things that counted were Bernie's ideas. A guy I learned to despise after his advice to Black America in the face of rampant and escalating police brutality when he had the fucking nerve to say: "Black people need to be polite to police."

Even when most Blacks are polite to cops, many of us still get shot or beaten.

Finally, someone had the gonads to tell the ugly truth about Bernie supporters and progressives in general. They're impressed only with their own power.

Which is why Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez continues to show her contempt for Black men by attacking NYC Mayor Eric Adams in public. Instead of back channeling her angst. When she first burst on the scene, AOC had a PAC called Justice Democrats.

Her PAC targeted several House members for defeat who didn't her share Socialist viewpoints. All were elected Black men.

Why did many Bernie Bots feel the way they do? They never cared about people such as me in the first place.


A lot of what you said rings true but I really fail to see how AOC's criticism of Eric Adams has anything to do with race. He was a shitty candidate and has already shown he is a shitty mayor. Black or White or Hispanic, he sucks.
 

Lezunto

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Eric Adams is a retired NYPD police captain. He has not had a chance to make his mark on his city because many in the news media simply react to his skin color.

He is a decent guy. But the problems NYC face appear insurmountable. I don't see any way authorities can rid the city of guns without an occupying army,
 

fskimospy

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Eric Adams is a retired NYPD police captain. He has not had a chance to make his mark on his city because many in the news media simply react to his skin color.

He is a decent guy. But the problems NYC face appear insurmountable. I don't see any way authorities can rid the city of guns without an occupying army,
As someone who has a lot of interaction with the Adams administration they are totally, utterly incompetent and Adams is essentially MIA as a mayor. It's hard to overstate just how shitty he is at his job.

I guess the easiest way to express it is that he made me miss De Blasio, which I thought would be impossible.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Eric Adams is a retired NYPD police captain. He has not had a chance to make his mark on his city because many in the news media simply react to his skin color.

He is a decent guy. But the problems NYC face appear insurmountable. I don't see any way authorities can rid the city of guns without an occupying army,

No. He was a shitty candidate that ran on fear of crime and nothing else of substance, and he has shown he is a shitty mayor already, and the cops still suck under him. He cares more about celebrity than doing his job. I don't care what color he is, he sucks. I live right across the river from NYC and follow the politics and city goings on quite a lot, it's important to me. He blows. I don't care if he was Asian, White, Purple, Green, Black or Blue.

You gotta let go of the race card a bit. You start to lose credibility when that's all you see.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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I'm sorry.
She apologized for it even though she did not admit to it.
She apologized for some things, but not for "screwing Bernie." One of the things she apologized for was allowing the email hack in the first place, for example.
 

Lezunto

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MrSquished,

I hear you. But he was the best man for the job at the time.

And I hope no one expects Hizzoner to dump on the NYPD. That would be a dangerous and self-defeating thing to do.

After 50 years, I no longer live in NYC, but I hear of the crime mayhem from close friends.

Yup, Mayor Adams has chosen to go the bright lights route. Koch, Dinkins, Giuliani and Bloomy did the same thing. It's New York City and at times, the envy of cities everywhere.

My only beef with Adams that is his city remains dangerous. Do you have anybody who has his stature and bonafides with uniformed services who can immediately replace him? Because I see no one.

His main problem is the New York Post and that idiot Alvin Bragg. Progressives will continue dragging NYC down with their mind-numbing low bail nonsense, dumbing down of necessary school lessons and embrace of things many parents don't want their school children exposed to.

Not all Eric Adams' fault. He's surrounded by jealous ninnies who want to be in his spot.
 

Lezunto

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fskimospy,

Shortly after Eric Adams won the Mayoral election, I distinctly recall him trying to hire his brother as a Deputy Mayor.

That's when I found out that his brother resigned from the NYPD in a hurry many years ago in the midst of some financial shenanigans. Apparently, hundreds of thousands of dollars were discovered in a bank account owned by either the brother or his wife.

I forget the exact details. All I know, it wasn't my bank account and I never got one of those sub-peenies.

The brother did not get the gig and I looked at Eric Adams in a whole different way after that. While no one is squeaky clean, except maybe Jimmah (Carter), that was in your face crazy. And crooked.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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I think the big problem here is an Entitlement attitude. The people who thought they were in power are feeling that power slip away. They get scared. Rather than deal with the fear they get angry and encourage each other to get violent. Its more than just a Capital assault. Its every day life.


This is a dumb spoiled child who never learned to cope with anything. A child in a mans body. And the man is allowed to purchase an automatic rifle and thats a problem.

The mass shootings are also a result of very immature people who never learned any coping skills and the media glorifies violence and so do their peers and role-models.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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MrSquished,

I hear you. But he was the best man for the job at the time.

And I hope no one expects Hizzoner to dump on the NYPD. That would be a dangerous and self-defeating thing to do.

After 50 years, I no longer live in NYC, but I hear of the crime mayhem from close friends.

Yup, Mayor Adams has chosen to go the bright lights route. Koch, Dinkins, Giuliani and Bloomy did the same thing. It's New York City and at times, the envy of cities everywhere.

My only beef with Adams that is his city remains dangerous. Do you have anybody who has his stature and bonafides with uniformed services who can immediately replace him? Because I see no one.

His main problem is the New York Post and that idiot Alvin Bragg. Progressives will continue dragging NYC down with their mind-numbing low bail nonsense, dumbing down of necessary school lessons and embrace of things many parents don't want their school children exposed to.

Not all Eric Adams' fault. He's surrounded by jealous ninnies who want to be in his spot.
He was not the best men for the job. Kathryn Garcia was miles better. She almost won. Such a shame. Adams sucked to anyone who was really observing the race, and he's proving it every day.
 
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DaaQ

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There are many, many supporters of Bernie Sanders who are honest-hearted, believe in fair play and equality.

What most will not believe or accept is the sad truth that many Bernie supporters proved downright intolerant, vicious and racist to the bone.

I learned this by talking to so many on Facebook. I could not believe the hatred many of them exhibited for Blacks and other People of Color, the dismissal of viewpoints different from their own and the attitude that Barack Obama's two triumphs on his way to the Oval Office were no big deal.

After realizing this, I began noticing the lack of respect most had for those who were older, the disdain for honest dialogue and the wholesale acceptance of the worst lies about Hillary.

It was not just the relentless trashing of Hillary, it was the continuous bashing of the Democratic Party as if the decades of struggle to thwart the worst of the Right meant nothing. Barack was nothing special. I completely disagree.

The only things that counted were Bernie's ideas. A guy I learned to despise after his advice to Black America in the face of rampant and escalating police brutality when he had the fucking nerve to say: "Black people need to be polite to police."

Even when most Blacks are polite to cops, many of us still get shot or beaten.

Finally, someone had the gonads to tell the ugly truth about Bernie supporters and progressives in general. They're impressed only with their own power.

Which is why Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez continues to show her contempt for Black men by attacking NYC Mayor Eric Adams in public. Instead of back channeling her angst. When she first burst on the scene, AOC had a PAC called Justice Democrats.

Her PAC targeted several House members for defeat who didn't her share Socialist viewpoints. All were elected Black men.

Why did many Bernie Bots feel the way they do? They never cared about people such as me in the first place.


I don't think you have followed Bernie prior to the 2016 election, he has always been consistent in his views of the dwindling middle class, the Oligarchy Society we are facing, the 1% paying their fair share, ect, ect.

I first became aware of Bernie in the lead up to the 2012 election cycle. Actually from about 2009. His voting record proves, he has not been a bought for Politician.

I grew up just outside Detroit, I get kinda where you're coming from. We had Kwame Kilpatrick for a Mayor. Not sure if he is out of prison yet.
Point is power corrupts.

Bernie has been consistent throughout his career though. I do believe "The Bernie Bros" were a sham, not informed, and also probably, partially trying to help Trump. Or whoever the GOP nominee would be. Though being an I and running on the D ticket, well, from what I remember way before he ran in 2016, was to push the DNC nominee left of center.

For all of it's quagmire that 2016 was, I do not believe Clinton should have run, Biden SHOULD have run, he was the VP of the outgoing Administration.

I argue with the wife over this one, I get he had family matters ect. But Hillary was NOT "The Anointed One" For sure more qualified than the T, but still.

A Democratic President absolutely had a SC Justice pick STOLEN from them. Then the hypocrisy showed with the ramming through of ABC. OR whatever her name is.
 
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sandorski

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The Bernie Bros are a subset of Bernie supporters looking for significant change in the system. When Bernie failed, Trump also offered Change. The math does itself.

The Reagan experiment should have ended decades ago. Quit trying to save it.
 

DaaQ

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Dec 8, 2018
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The Bernie Bros are a subset of Bernie supporters looking for significant change in the system. When Bernie failed, Trump also offered Change. The math does itself.

The Reagan experiment should have ended decades ago. Quit trying to save it.
Not sure who you are replying to.
 

Lezunto

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I never cared about Bernie Sanders because he was not a Democrat, seemed oblivious to the real needs of the poor and events proved me right.

Most of his supporters I encountered on FB were snarling, angry and insulting. I could not believe how crass and ignorant so many of them were. They pushed nonsensical lies and wanted everyone to accept their version of history.

One of their favorite lines was: "If you drive on a highway, you're a Socialist." I guess they didn't realize the U.S. Interstate Highway System was begun by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Commander of Allied Forces in Europe during World War II. A straight-up Republican and hardly a Socialist.

I just got tired of their rancid dismissals of everyone who reasonably explained their choice of Secretary Clinton. Hillary is not perfect. But at least I can share a meal with her supporters and not be called "Boomer" or stupid.

So, they were disappointed Bernie didn't win. Horrors. It's part of life.
 

Lezunto

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Kathryn Garcia is nothing but AOC-lite, which is probably why the Congresswoman is attacking Mayor Eric Adams publicly.
 

IronWing

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Kathryn Garcia is nothing but AOC-lite, which is probably why the Congresswoman is attacking Mayor Eric Adams publicly.
What wrong AOC? She represents her constituents quite well. As to Eisenhower, he was far more liberal than any Republican politician of the past five decades. The modern Republican Party more resembles the fascists Eisenhower made war against than any party he would join.
 

Lezunto

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IronWing,

Eisenhower was NOT a Socialist, which is the point I am making. But apparently, that was part of the fantasy mindset of Bernie supporters in 2016.

AOC is too headstrong, stubborn and has a problem with Black men. I'm not cheering for her.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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IronWing,

Eisenhower was NOT a Socialist, which is the point I am making. But apparently, that was part of the fantasy mindset of Bernie supporters in 2016.

AOC is too headstrong, stubborn and has a problem with Black men. I'm not cheering for her.
If you don't like the labels Bernie supporters give Ike today, you REALLY wouldn't like how today's GOP would see him. Expanding Medicare and Social Security? Federalizing highways with massive spending projects? Saying balanced budgets are more important than tax cuts for the wealthy? Mandating that public schools teach more advanced science and math and advocating for higher college enrollment? He's a Big Government RINO neo-conservative and not a True Born Again Christian Believer. Ike would be a Never Trumper through and through.
 

fskimospy

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Kathryn Garcia is nothing but AOC-lite, which is probably why the Congresswoman is attacking Mayor Eric Adams publicly.
Kathryn Garcia was not AOC-lite, are you nuts? She was the person who would have actually done a good job of running the city, something NYC hasn't had since Bloomberg.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Kathryn Garcia is nothing but AOC-lite, which is probably why the Congresswoman is attacking Mayor Eric Adams publicly.
Totally incorrect. Garcia was a moderate Democrats with a few progressive ideas with NYC experience as well. Maya Wiley was the actual leftist progressive.

I am amazed you are letting the race card get in the way of reality. Simply because Adams is black all criticism about him is based on his race, to the point you are rewriting reality.

Sad.

Adams cares more about going to parties and galas and being famous than being a good mayor. All for his ego to run for president
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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If you don't like the labels Bernie supporters give Ike today, you REALLY wouldn't like how today's GOP would see him. Expanding Medicare and Social Security? Federalizing highways with massive spending projects? Saying balanced budgets are more important than tax cuts for the wealthy? Mandating that public schools teach more advanced science and math and advocating for higher college enrollment? He's a Big Government RINO neo-conservative and not a True Born Again Christian Believer. Ike would be a Never Trumper through and through.

The founder of the John Birch Society considered Eisenhower to be a communist.
 
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