Indictments coming...

[zinfamous]

Actually the Clintons reference was only regarding Russia; I can't see them getting caught up in Mueller's net at all beyond embarrassment, as in buying the pee pee dossier. As far as the wide net, I'm thinking the Trumpets. Trump is widely known for playing fast and loose, and I'm pretty sure that he has surrounded himself with a lot of like-minded people. I very seriously doubt that anything actionable ever comes of Russian collusion, but I bet turning over the rocks and poking through financial records can discover a LOT of crimes. To me, that's the real value of this investigation. Lots of politicians are already circumspect in dealing with foreign governments, but I bet a lot of asses are drawn up tight thinking about what might come to light if they get linked, in however circumspect a fashion, to someone in this investigation.

Things that powerful people were absolutely certain would never be challenged are now quite likely to wind up in court due to being uncovered as part of this investigation. THAT is how the swamp is drained.

Good call. results the same, just...not how we were promised. lol.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't pay attention to the opiod poster child.

Don't forget the mass quantities of viagra he had in the Dominican Republic (location may be off)

 

[Puffnstuff]

Don't forget the mass quantities of viagra he had in the Dominican Republic (location may be off)

He should do ads for big pharma.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So, Grant and Harding are pretty much off the hook, now. Nixon is the only one standing in Trump's way. lulz.

I believe that the Reagan administration still holds the record for indictments and convictions.

 

[woolfe9998]

Was just watching Maddow, many things about Flynn's history I wasn't aware of. So when Flynn worked as head of the DIA, his office put out a general alert, advising no government agency to use Kaspersky software, because they were believed to be a front for Russian intelligence. Six months later, Flynn is out of a job, fired by Obama, and goes into private consulting. The first company he takes money from...Kaspersky, the company his agency just 6 months before said was a front for Russian intelligence.

I always check for independent sources after watching Maddow:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/16/kaspersky-michael-flynn/

 

[ivwshane]

Was just watching Maddow, many things about Flynn's history I wasn't aware of. So when Flynn worked as head of the DIA, his office put out a general alert, advising no government agency to use Kaspersky software, because they were believed to be a front for Russian intelligence. Six months later, Flynn is out of a job, fired by Obama, and goes into private consulting. The first company he takes money from...Kaspersky, the company his agency just 6 months before said was a front for Russian intelligence.

I always check for independent sources after watching Maddow:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/16/kaspersky-michael-flynn/

So you think he's trying to fuck over the country because...Obama?

 

[woolfe9998]

So you think he's trying to fuck over the country because...Obama?

Actually, the pattern here suggests a financial motive. He worked under a government salary his whole career. Since, he's been paid by a lot of companies connected to the Kremlin, by RT, by the Turkish government. But what Maddow described above suggests he actively sought out at least one he already knew to be connected to Russian intel. Was he selling them secrets? I have no idea. Flynn remains a little mysterious at this point.

 

[Commodus]

One thing's for sure: for Flynn to face such a light charge when he could easily be convicted of more suggests he's ready to sing like a canary. That Trump implication has to be it, if not more.

 

[Younigue]

So you think he's trying to fuck over the country because...Obama?

Well given that most people with any association with Trump feel no obligation to take responsibility for their own actions/crimes (neither does Trump) then yes, Obama. But nah, Flynn did what he did because he chose to. For what ever reason or excuse he gave himself it boils down to not being a law abiding, patriotic citizen. No one's fault but his own.

 

[woolfe9998]

The Maddow piece on Flynn is outstanding.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

This guy is worse than even I thought. It was, at best, extreme malfeasance to have ever let him become NSA. Trump ignored repeated warnings and even after he fired him, he risked he presidency to try to stop him from being investigated. It's bizarre.

 

[alien42]

"If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him,"

Fuck you deplorable traitors!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Limbaugh was going on today about how Obama never fired Flynn, and at least Trump had the balls to fire him.

Flynn exited in 2014, not at the Obama's tenure. He "retired" and kept his benefits. Of course Obama learned that Flynn was untrustworthy and that was communicated to Trump, who ignored that and hired the guy anyway. Limbaugh is an idiot.

 

[Maxima1]

Flynn exited in 2014, not at the Obama's tenure. He "retired" and kept his benefits. Of course Obama learned that Flynn was untrustworthy and that was communicated to Trump, who ignored that and hired the guy anyway. Limbaugh is an idiot.

Limbaugh knows that. It's the people listening that are a bunch of idiots.

 

[Jhhnn]

Flynn exited in 2014, not at the Obama's tenure. He "retired" and kept his benefits. Of course Obama learned that Flynn was untrustworthy and that was communicated to Trump, who ignored that and hired the guy anyway. Limbaugh is an idiot.

Limbaugh is a very effective GOP propagandist. He knows his schtick. He helps to maintain the craziness over in Conservatown because there are people who actually believe him.

He's no fool. He just preys on them to the tune of $79M/year or so. He's worked for decades to perfect his craft. I pity anybody exposed to it as a child.

His tax savings over the next several years will be more than most people make in a lifetime.

 

[alien42]

obstruction much?

"Trump lawyer says president knew Flynn had given FBI the same account he gave to vice president"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...59a620-d849-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

 

[woolfe9998]

Trump Lawyer: under the Constitution, a POTUS can never obstruct justice.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/trump-john-dowd-obstruct-justice/index.html

When you have to make this argument, you're tacitly admitting your client is guilty.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump Lawyer: under the Constitution, a POTUS can never obstruct justice.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/trump-john-dowd-obstruct-justice/index.html

When you have to make this argument, you're tacitly admitting your client is guilty.

Also, it should be immediately obvious to everyone just how horrifying this line of thinking is: 'it is a valid use of the powers of the presidency to prevent the prosecution of the president's allies for the commission of multiple felonies'. If that's the case then Nixon did nothing wrong.

 

[Thebobo]

Sing along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBsitzb4JAs

 

[woolfe9998]

Also, it should be immediately obvious to everyone just how horrifying this line of thinking is: 'it is a valid use of the powers of the presidency to prevent the prosecution of the president's allies for the commission of multiple felonies'. If that's the case then Nixon did nothing wrong.

Yes, it's terrifying alright. The implications for permitted lawlessness on the part of any POTUS are staggering. For example, if the DoJ had been investigating the POTUS himself for suspected crimes, not only could he order the investigation shut down, but he could order the physical destruction of evidence they had collected.

The theory behind this reasoning is that allegedly, Congress has the only true power to investigate the POTUS, with impeachment the only remedy. Yet Congress is ill equipped to investigate crimes compared to an organization like the FBI. When Congress does investigate, it often relies on evidence collected by executive branch agencies. And it also must rely on such evidence to determine whether to impeach.

This interpretation of the Constitution would be a license for the POTUS to do just about anything. It's a big step closer to totalitarian rule.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, it's terrifying alright. The implications for permitted lawlessness on the part of any POTUS are staggering. For example, if the DoJ had been investigating the POTUS himself for suspected crimes, not only could he order the investigation shut down, but he could order the physical destruction of evidence they had collected.

The theory behind this reasoning is that allegedly, Congress has the only true power to investigate the POTUS, with impeachment the only remedy. Yet Congress is ill equipped to investigate crimes compared to an organization like the FBI. When Congress does investigate, it often relies on evidence collected by executive branch agencies. And it also must rely on such evidence to determine whether to impeach.

This interpretation of the Constitution would be a license for the POTUS to do just about anything. It's a big step closer to totalitarian rule.

The interesting thing is the full quote.

(The) President cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under (the Constitution's Article II) and has every right to express his view of any case,

Dowd links obstruction and opinion and anyone with a brain and dictionary know those two things aren't equivalent. That being the case Dowd seems not to be making an argument of law but inserting ambiguity where none exists to create support in the Faithful.

This is positively a desperate act.

 

[Blackjack200]

Also, it should be immediately obvious to everyone just how horrifying this line of thinking is: 'it is a valid use of the powers of the presidency to prevent the prosecution of the president's allies for the commission of multiple felonies'. If that's the case then Nixon did nothing wrong.

Horrifying indeed. And it's useful to look back at Nixon and remember that Trump's behavior represents an acceleration of the total lawlessness that has been tolerated beginning with Ford's outrageous pardon.

This administration has been strongly signaling that it does not recognize the legitimacy of journalists, the legitimacy of free protests, the legitimacy of investigations into its behavior, or the legitimacy of millions of votes cast against it.

But none of this deeply troubling behavior is new. It's been going on for decades, eroding the democratic institutions that prevent totalitarianism. If this country survives the Trump administration, it's crucially important that the next Richard Nixon go to prison.

 

[alien42]

Papadopoulos' lawyers spoke with Politico and confirmed the FBI acted properly with his arrest and did not interrogate him without them...
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/george-papadopoulos-arrest-fbi-277760

 

[soundforbjt]

Papadopoulos' lawyers spoke with Politico and confirmed the FBI acted properly with his arrest and did not interrogate him without them...
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/george-papadopoulos-arrest-fbi-277760

I don’t believe they’ll make any mistakes about this case, I’d prefer it was quicker, but I don’t want any mistakes or any semblance of shady tactics used.

 

[hal2kilo]

obstruction much?

"Trump lawyer says president knew Flynn had given FBI the same account he gave to vice president"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...59a620-d849-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

That's why Pence is in a lot of trouble and this whole pile of lies is going to eat this admin alive. If it weren't for the Republicans being in power, impeachment proceedings would be on the docket. They are so despicable (Repubs) that it won't surprise me if Trump survives. At this rate though, he will only be a one term president.

 

[bshole]

One thing's for sure: for Flynn to face such a light charge when he could easily be convicted of more suggests he's ready to sing like a canary. That Trump implication has to be it, if not more.

Last time I checked people convicted of lying don't make credible witnesses. Mueller just burned this witness of any value he could have at a trial. My understanding is that the things he lied about were not crimes but were politically embarrassing.