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MisterMe

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Why is it that CW has so many people that are dead set against ANYTHING they do. Some of you guys seem to only look at what could possibly be wrong with the scenario. I mean you read some of these posts and a few of them took great amounts of imagination to even come up with, let alone type into your PC...paranoia will destroy ya...

Relax people....it's only a web host....maybe the guy is loaded and simply wants to provide a good service, for a bunch of people, at a DIRT CHEAP price. It is possible you know. Don't be so obsessivly paranoid about what he might have up his sleeve...the only thing he up his sleeve is his arm and your imagination....
 

slaman

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Well I've been lurking on this thread a while but haven't bought any hosting. I don't think I will - basically because I already have hosting. If I needed it to host a small personal site, I'd get in on this - but don't expect this company to stay very long. There's two things I see here:

1) A guy who means well but really is just losing money on this hosting - eventually he will see it isn't worth his time/effort/cash to maintain it and it will fold

2) A scam

"If it seems too good to be true, it probably is"

That's the best quote and will always dictate my decisions on it. The probability of saving myself from being scammed is higher than getting in on a legitimately good deal. Mind you, you ARE only going to lose $5-10, but I guess it's principle.

My thoughts only of course, Cyberwings could be entirely legit - just be skeptical.
 

firestorm225

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I don't think they are going to lose money. Like when they had the $3.90 sale a while back, and many people bought 5 accounts. I think about 20% of people actually made a site with 1 account, 1% of people used all 5 accounts for sites, and 1% have a site that comes even close to the limits. Their low prices and crazy sales make many people by on impulse.
 

SinMen

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So for those hosts that charge $5 a month, they are making like 1100% profit? And for those charged $15 a month, they have 3000% profit? No wonder they all have 6 houses and 4 cars, fly around the world, have another decent full time job, and be able to hang around the net for 11 hours everyday. I guess I should try selling web hosting too.
 

SinMen

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BTW, anyone inform Anand about this deal? May be he should move his site over there too. And those of you that win the free lifetime dealer account might want to consider hosting this for free.
 

johto

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Originally posted by: Devistater


Ok, I forgot about that. But man, sometimes it seems with some of MS tactics that they are REAL stingy. What about where they threatened like 20 school districts with audits if they didn't buy new site liscenses? That was only last month or so ago if I remember right. They even had the GALL to claim it was random audits across country. A lot of those school districts were right next to each other! Quite a number of schools immediatly began looking into linux, especially since a lot of them were in the poorer areas and were real short on funding. So MS immediatly turned around and said oops we didn't mean that, but we still reserve the right to audit you if you dont upgrade.
There are articles about this if anyone needs details, I'm just quoting from memory so I might be wrong in some of the details, but I think that's what the overall situation was.


It's Microsoft's RIGHT to be paid for their software.
 

jrichrds

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BTW, anyone inform Anand about this deal? May be he should move his site over there too. And those of you that win the free lifetime dealer account might want to consider hosting this for free.

Hahahahaha.
That's mighty thoughtful of you though.

Anand runs on a bunch of his own dedicated servers, and he cares about uptime and reliability.
 

johto

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Originally posted by: SinMen
So for those hosts that charge $5 a month, they are making like 1100% profit? And for those charged $15 a month, they have 3000% profit? No wonder they all have 6 houses and 4 cars, fly around the world, have another decent full time job, and be able to hang around the net for 11 hours everyday. I guess I should try selling web hosting too.

LOL I know... everyone is saying 'all the other hosts make so much profit'

I have figured out, multiple times over the course of the years, how much it would cost to start up and run a webhost. EVERY TIME it was too expensive and not worth it - I simply wouldn't have been able to offer competitive rates and break even (with just me as an employee!)
 

SinMen

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Can you give us an insight how much it will cost? We are all curious to find out how much money this guy is making.
 

technician

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I think CyberWings has gone out of their way to gain the support of their customers. I, for one, am very happy with the service, and the overall quality of my accounts. I don't know how long everything will last (hopefully for a very long time), but they've got my support from here on in.
 

johto

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Originally posted by: SinMen
Can you give us an insight how much it will cost? We are all curious to find out how much money this guy is making.

usually however i tried to cut costs it came to about 20k startup and ~3k/month. That was for a T1... this guy claims to have 2 oc-xx (i forget what he said) pumped to 20mbit a second... my rough estimate would be about 20-30k/month for that plus rent, employees, utilities... you know.

that being said, I know for a fact his IRC server is hosted off a cogent line (cogent offers 100mbps for $1000 a month)... but all the traces I've done to the other sites seem to be through level3 (presumably the oc-xxs).
 

Devistater

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that being said, I know for a fact his IRC server is hosted off a cogent line (cogent offers 100mbps for $1000 a month)... but all the traces I've done to the other sites seem to be through level3 (presumably the oc-xxs).

I dont think its really "his" irc server, its another company thats providing it. But he was saying he might start his own IRC server.

Cogent offers 100mbps for $1k a month? Jeez thats pretty cheap.

 

SinMen

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Johto,
Thanks for the info. Makes me wonder how he can support 7 full time employees and still claims to make a profit. May be his 14000 web sites are from people who had all brought 5 palns and only use 1.
 

Freejack2

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Dec 31, 2000
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If we keep arguing it's only going to get this thread locked again. Basically there is a risk of the place going belly up. Every place has that risk. If you feel you don't want to take the risk, then don't sign up. If you want to take the risk then sign up. I look at it this way. I paid $9 for 4 Individual accounts. I'd pay $10 to godaddy for just a month of hosting. Even if they only are around for a month I still got my moneys worth.
Basically like the one guy here said, when you spend $1-$5 for an account you don't expect super bandwith. Just a place to put your webpage so the 20 or so people a year who'll visit it, can visit it. They've been around for at least a year. Shows some promise to be here next year.
As for wether they are profitable or now who knows. Say theoretically their costs are 20k a month or 240k a year. Guesstimating he's averaging $20 an account per year x 14,000 accounts = $280k. Not a monstorous profit, but a profit nonetheless. If he did things right cyberwings could be around for a quite a long time.
 

lightiv

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Sale prices are good until 12pm EDT Saturday then that's it until 6/22/02.

They hope to have accounts order the 6th and 7th processed by the end of the weekend. I believe that AYW and Resaller accounts have priority.

Wait till you see the new site. It's very nice. It's supposed to come online 6/22/02. Also they'll be starting integrated bill paying. (Their own merchant account from what I understand)

For these prices I recommend you jump on this. I have my AYW1 400mb space and 12GB bandwidth Lifetime account.

 

Insomniac

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Originally posted by: johto
Originally posted by: Devistater


Ok, I forgot about that. But man, sometimes it seems with some of MS tactics that they are REAL stingy. What about where they threatened like 20 school districts with audits if they didn't buy new site liscenses? That was only last month or so ago if I remember right. They even had the GALL to claim it was random audits across country. A lot of those school districts were right next to each other! Quite a number of schools immediatly began looking into linux, especially since a lot of them were in the poorer areas and were real short on funding. So MS immediatly turned around and said oops we didn't mean that, but we still reserve the right to audit you if you dont upgrade.
There are articles about this if anyone needs details, I'm just quoting from memory so I might be wrong in some of the details, but I think that's what the overall situation was.


It's Microsoft's RIGHT to be paid for their software.


You are right, but in 1 case in Australia (I don't know if this recent one is similar) they went after people who had machines donated to them (with licenses), and demanded they repurchase new licenses for every machine since they can't transfer. This was either a school system or non-profit organization. After a lot of pressure, they backed down and they only had to buy a certain percantage. They didn't back down completely.

And to stay on topic, those of you who are running non-profit organizations and would like webspace and a domain, try contacting the CEO of Cyberwings.
 

Go Terps

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Mar 11, 2000
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CYBERWINGS = SUCK
IMHO
I signed up for an account 2 weeks ago... I haven't heard anything at all... only the payment confirmation
I emailed them 2 times
I talked to their support people and they said fill out the form again
so I did that
I just emailed again
he needs to concentrate on fulfilling orders before doing stupid $hit like this
pissed off...
 

Maverick215

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So, were the fabulous cash prizes ever given away? I heard that there were some 20's passed out, but weren't there supposed to be 500 or 1000 and airline tix.
If he didn't give this stuff away, you guys that bought serverspace are screwed.
 

Devistater

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Originally posted by: Maverick215
So, were the fabulous cash prizes ever given away? I heard that there were some 20's passed out, but weren't there supposed to be 500 or 1000 and airline tix.
If he didn't give this stuff away, you guys that bought serverspace are screwed.

He says he's probably going to do more stuff on the 1 year anniversary of the company, the 22nd. That could mean more sales or more giveaways, who knows.

And whats this about being screwed if he doesn't give his money away? Jeez, make up your minds, you guys are upset about him giving good deals, and say he doesn't have the money to do that, then you are upset that he doesn't give it away. Then there's the guy who said giving money away was NOT a hot deal.

I'm wondering if in the future there are more sales from him, if I should post them here.

Anyway, personaly I really hope that cyberwings is successfull in this business. I would like to take advantage of the reseller account I won, and I hope they don't go down.

The only disadvantages I've seen so far, are that he only has a 98% uptime, and that he doesn't have shell or telnet. 98% uptime may not be enough for the critical websites, but for me personally I think that's plenty. There ARE places that do like 99.5% uptime and stuff like that, but it costs quite a bit more. I'm hoping that he will get better measures in place to bring servers up more quickly when they die, and better server monitoring tools at his data center to report problems faster, those are my honest opinions of the disadvantages I've seen from hanging out 36+ straight hours in the chat channel and reading comments and questions from customers. Any parts I missed while I slept I went back and read the log. When I do purchases I generally like to research things, excessivly. Oh and also it can take a week or two to setup the accounts.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, anyone else want to throw some thoughts out?
 

GhettoFob

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Originally posted by: Go Terps
CYBERWINGS = SUCK
IMHO
I signed up for an account 2 weeks ago... I haven't heard anything at all... only the payment confirmation
I emailed them 2 times
I talked to their support people and they said fill out the form again
so I did that
I just emailed again
he needs to concentrate on fulfilling orders before doing stupid $hit like this
pissed off...

Did u get a comfirmation number? And if you did, did you fill out their form to register your domain?
 

grooveman

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Oddity of the day, I guess.

'Tis one of those things that may mean nothing, but may mean everything, and I couldn't rightly decide whether a new post was warranted or a reply to this one would be OK.

Yesterday, Cyberwings was listed as a Platinum partner of Plesk at http://www.plesk.com/html/partners/channel/platinum/index.htm with logo and all. (Their individual page was : http://www.plesk.com/html/partners/channel/platinum/cyberwing.htm.) As of now, Plesk seems to make no mention of them and their personalized Platinum partner page has disappeared. Could just be an weird technical thing, but thought I might mention it somewhere, just in case.

Was at the chat two nights ago and it left me with a somewhat suspicious feeling. The lifetime plans and the Zap5X promotion seem as if... whelp. It doesn't seem as if it could be possible. I've thought about the overloading of servers theory - I do think it is correct in at least someway.

Just as business goes : had whipped up the following one year scenario, assuming everything stayed as it was prior to the unlimited / lifetime sale. I was reading on the Plesk messageboard where one of the cyberwings people, I believe, had mentioned 400+ accounts per box. The math just doesn't seem to come out quite right. Let's say, 500 people per server, with an average cost per year to the customer of $3.50 or so. (This is ignoring the fact that resellers with a virtually unlimited number of accounts exist.) That box takes in $1575 per year. The box itself, with everything, cost perhaps $575. (Make it easy for me. ) IIRC, one of the CW people had mentioned in the chat : 1.) There are over 13,000 customers. and 2.) They have 2 OC48 lines. They also have 6 or 7(?) employees, IIRC. (They actually talked in the chat about hiring more for this summer.) Keeping with the math above, up until now, they've taken in $45,500. Will be very, very conservative and only subtract $7,000 for the boxes themselves. That leaves us with $38,500. Will again, be very, very conservative and say that they've managed to get Cogent to give them 4.x times the bandwidth of a 1000 Mbps link for 1.25 times the 1000 Mbps price. That is $12,500 per month. 12 months of service == $150,000. Would leave a net of $-111,500. Will say they got a good deal, and their hosting and office space cost $1,500 per month / $18,000 / year.. Down to $129,500. Even if they were to triple the number of customers using the same hardware and connection, they are left with $136,500-$129,500 = $7,000 per year.


Shawn has said he is financially independent and does not get paid. Leaves with 5 or 6 employees. (Many, many assumptions made, but... ;D) For a months worth of work, assuming the business triples, each employee would get about $100, or a yearly salary of $1200, assuming Shawn isn't pouring gads and gads of money into the company. Would think that most employees would want to make at least $25,000 / year. This seems to leave Shawn, if he is paying his employees, with - in the best case - a loss of $143,000 per year with business tripling.

It just seemed weird me that they now are offering plans ranging into the hundreds of dollars for "lifetime" accounts. (Add another fee to get 5x everything, too.) Given the above math, Shawn's reluctance to answer questions, the new plans, I just... it's starting to feel fishy to me. I'd purchased an account for myself, way back when, figuring that even if I got one month's worth of service, the price would be worth it. OTOH, even if they got a full half of their customer base to buy a relatively expensive plan (say, $100), that would only net them $750,000, which seems like very little for so much work and so many people to be involved in a scam.

It could be (and I hope very much that it is) that Shawn is a wealthy philanthropist, who is giving back to the world in some way. ???

I just had thought that the thing about them not being on the Plesk page anymore might've been worth posting about, and I've rambled on forever. Please do forgive!

Eck. It's late. I'm going to bed.

Cheers, all!

Edit : Too late for proper linking. ;D
 

Devistater

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Hmm interesting about the platinum plesk thing. Since the cyberwings logo is still on this page:
http://www.plesk.com/html/partners/channel/platinum/
but is linked to someone else (digitalsmiths) I'm thinking that might have been a mistake.

Also, about the oc48s, the CEO has mentioned several times that he has them wired up, but as of right now he is only using 20 mb of the bandwidth. That's pretty small, so I imagine the costs per month are smaller. He did say he was going to crank it up to 45mb in a month or so. Someone mentioned you could get some company (cogent I think??) to provide 100mb bandwidth for $1000 a month, but out of the 3 companies the CEO mentioned on the chat that he uses, cogent isn't one of them so I have no idea how much it costs him. Other than that, interesting post.
 

Dipboy

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For what it's worth, it looks like Cyberwings is back and listed as a Platinum Plesk partner without any funny links to other companies etc...
 
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