Insurgents Target Iraqi Security Forces

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...iraq_forces_under_fire

This further proves that those who take these jobs are really hard pressed for cash. With a 70% unemployment rate in Iraq I could see why some might take it though. Then again it's clear that their are a lot of insurgents and people who have been bribed to get info or to look the other way. There also is a lot evidence that these forces have been infiltrated badly by the insurgents and we are infact paying money to those in the insugrent movement.

Insurgents Target Iraqi Security Forces

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The warning left in the garage of Omar Hameed, Iraqi National Guardsman, showed two bloody swords and a message: "If you don't quit your job in three days, you will be killed."


The next day, Hameed, still recovering from a leg injury after gunmen attacked his patrol, gave his reply in signs he hung in the market of his hometown of Mahmoudiya and on the street leading to his home: "I wash my hands of the Iraqi National Guard."

He said the decision to give up his job, which paid a relatively hefty $190 a month, was easy because he knew the alternative.

"They have killed many people," Hameed said. "They can reach you anywhere. They can easily break into homes to kidnap or kill you."

As the Jan. 30 election approaches, insurgents aiming to wreck Iraq (news - web sites)'s democratic transformation have been targeting members of the country's fledgling security forces with increasing brutality and precision.

Car bombings, mortar attacks and drive-by shootings have been followed by kidnappings, ambushes, executions and beheadings, with corpses dumped in orchards and on roadsides, sometimes laid out in rows.

The operations show enough sophistication and planning to raise the question of whether insurgents get inside help. Such attacks also continue to undermine efforts to build strong security forces ? key to the exit strategy of foreign troops ? and have cast doubt on the Iraqi forces' ability to protect themselves, let alone the country.

On Thursday and Friday, 32 bodies were discovered in the northern city of Mosul, bringing the number found in Mosul and surrounding areas to 52 since Nov. 18. At least 11 ? nine of them shot execution-style ? belonged to security forces. The rest have not been identified.

"It's a continued campaign of threats, intimidation and murder by insurgents to spread fear into the public," said Lt. Col. Paul Hastings, a U.S. military spokesman in Mosul. "Their campaign has been directed at what appears to be Iraqi security forces."

He blamed Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) loyalists and Islamic extremists. Since an insurgent uprising in Mosul earlier this month that saw masked gunmen overpowering police and burning and looting some police stations, there had been "accelerated and very deliberate attacks on Iraqi security forces," he added.

Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin, the senior Iraqi National Guard official in the northern city of Kirkuk, said the change in techniques showed a highly adaptable and astute enemy.

"They're smart people," he said. "They have planners and they have people experienced in the art of warfare. They make preparations, have weapons and the Internet."

To work around increased security measures, such as barricades around military bases to fend off car bombers, militants have turned to kidnapping or ambushing security forces, he said.

Insurgents also have been able to infiltrate security forces, buying or extorting information and tracking troop movements by monitoring their radio transmissions, he added.

Several police officers and Iraqi soldiers, in some cases senior commanders, have been arrested across Iraq for alleged insurgent ties.

Soldiers returning home from base often are ambushed. Maj. Gen. Rashid Feleih, commander of a special police force dispatched to Mosul after the latest violence there, said insurgents sometimes have people waiting at bus and car terminals to monitor troops getting rides from there.

Last month, insurgents at a fake checkpoint stopped buses carrying U.S.-trained Iraqi soldiers and killed about 50 of them. Investigations were launched into whether the attackers got inside information.


Police have been attacked and dragged from their homes. During the past six months, 60 Iraqi policemen ? not including Iraqi National Guardsmen and other security force members ? have been killed in the Mosul area, Feleih said.

In Mahmoudiya, where ex-National Guardsman Hameed lives, people describe masked gunmen clutching walkie-talkies and barging into homes, inspecting IDs and searching for guardsmen. One family, whose National Guard son was kidnapped from home, found his body almost a month later in a hospital morgue.

Hameed said that in his neighborhood, the absence of police on the streets adds weight to the militants' threats.

In Mosul, residents and officials talk of fake checkpoints manned by militants who check IDs, single out security personnel and shoot them. Sometimes bodies are mutilated, Feleih said.

Amin in Kirkuk said some security force members in his area received threats and CDs of gruesome beheadings at their homes. In recent weeks, 10 guardsmen were killed in three attacks in his area alone.

His forces have orders to vary their travel and patrol routines and always move in convoys.

The Iraqi National Guard has been involved in several high-profile raids and operations with U.S. forces, making it more visible and more closely associated with the U.S. military.

Though statistics on the ethnic and religious breakdown of Iraqi soldiers are not available, some militants have tried to paint the fight as one pitting Sunni insurgents against Shiite soldiers.

Civilians who escaped the Sunni militant stronghold of Fallujah during the assault on insurgents there claimed some National Guardsmen plastered walls with photos of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, a top Shiite cleric, angering Sunni townspeople. Reporters in Fallujah saw photos of Shiite saints tied to the bumpers of some trucks carrying Iraqi security forces.

But officials say National Guardsmen are mostly targeted just for serving in the security forces.

"They think of us all as spies for the Americans," said Hameed, who is Sunni. "In the force, we all wanted to watch out for each other. We were scared and we all joined to make a living."
 

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What I don't understand is why don't they build a base with housing for Iraqi National Guardsmen? Where they can have their families live while they train. That way they will know that they're families are safe and don't have to worry about being ambushed while going home. Doesn't this make sense?
 

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
What I don't understand is why don't they build a base with housing for Iraqi National Guardsmen? Where they can have their families live while they train. That way they will know that they're families are safe and don't have to worry about being ambushed while going home. Doesn't this make sense?


They already have a "Green Zone" like that and it gets shelled every night in Baghdad.
 

pickuplines

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...iraq_forces_under_fire

This further proves that those who take these jobs are really hard pressed for cash. With a 70% unemployment rate in Iraq I could see why some might take it though. Then again it's clear that their are a lot of insurgents and people who have been bribed to get info or to look the other way. There also is a lot evidence that these forces have been infiltrated badly by the insurgents and we are infact paying money to those in the insugrent movement.

Insurgents Target Iraqi Security Forces

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The warning left in the garage of Omar Hameed, Iraqi National Guardsman, showed two bloody swords and a message: "If you don't quit your job in three days, you will be killed."

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"They think of us all as spies for the Americans," said Hameed, who is Sunni. "In the force, we all wanted to watch out for each other. We were scared and we all joined to make a living."

and what is drift3r's alternative?
 

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yeah but they only hit something occasionally. I still think it would be safer than having them get off work and get ambushed on the way home or have their families out there getting threatened while they're out doing their job.

The US and its allies have built bases all over Iraq, why don't they expand some bases to include housing for Iraqi military?
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: pickuplines
Originally posted by: Drift3r
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...iraq_forces_under_fire

This further proves that those who take these jobs are really hard pressed for cash. With a 70% unemployment rate in Iraq I could see why some might take it though. Then again it's clear that their are a lot of insurgents and people who have been bribed to get info or to look the other way. There also is a lot evidence that these forces have been infiltrated badly by the insurgents and we are infact paying money to those in the insugrent movement.

Insurgents Target Iraqi Security Forces

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The warning left in the garage of Omar Hameed, Iraqi National Guardsman, showed two bloody swords and a message: "If you don't quit your job in three days, you will be killed."

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"They think of us all as spies for the Americans," said Hameed, who is Sunni. "In the force, we all wanted to watch out for each other. We were scared and we all joined to make a living."

and what is drift3r's alternative?

It's not staying in Iraq and waiting for the obvious to happen. If the people in Iraq want our type of government and life style then they will stand up and fight for it in mass by themselves other wise you are just creating a bigger mess. Nation building is not a solution, we are not a Imperialist nation and if you look at history nations which seek and obtain empires have always fallen. This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building. In the end it's up to Iraqis to decide their future not us. No amount of military power aka...."shock and awe" can change the minds of a poeple or force them to our corner if they don't want to be in our corner and just want to be left alone.
 

pickuplines

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Originally posted by: Drift3r

It's not staying in Iraq and waiting for the obvious to happen.

and what exactly is the obvious?

government and life style then they will stand up and fight for it in mass by themselves

its sooo easy that infact all people living under dictators have done it throughout history...

This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building. In the end it's up to Iraqis to decide their future not us. No amount of military power aka...."shock and awe" can change the minds of a poeple or force them to our corner if they don't want to be in our corner and just want to be left alone.

sorry but you are naive to the american reality in the world.
first america is "engaged" whether it likes it or not. second, it seeks to control more than would be available to it otherwise, that is imperialism. and believing pulling out of iraq would either be a successful disengagement from the world or the act which finishes american imperialism shows your naivety.
 

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Originally posted by: pickuplines
Originally posted by: Drift3r

It's not staying in Iraq and waiting for the obvious to happen.

and what exactly is the obvious?

government and life style then they will stand up and fight for it in mass by themselves

its sooo easy that infact all people living under dictators have done it throughout history...

This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building. In the end it's up to Iraqis to decide their future not us. No amount of military power aka...."shock and awe" can change the minds of a poeple or force them to our corner if they don't want to be in our corner and just want to be left alone.

sorry but you are naive to the american reality in the world.
first america is "engaged" whether it likes it or not. second, it seeks to control more than would be available to it otherwise, that is imperialism. and believing pulling out of iraq would either be a successful disengagement from the world or the act which finishes american imperialism shows your naivety.

As does the following...

Would you take a bullet for a foreign occupier for 190 bucks a month ?? A 7/11 clerk earns more then that !

Although IMO it would have to go far beyond naivety to actually believe such a statement.

 

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Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: pickuplines
Originally posted by: Drift3r

It's not staying in Iraq and waiting for the obvious to happen.

and what exactly is the obvious?

government and life style then they will stand up and fight for it in mass by themselves

its sooo easy that infact all people living under dictators have done it throughout history...

This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building. In the end it's up to Iraqis to decide their future not us. No amount of military power aka...."shock and awe" can change the minds of a poeple or force them to our corner if they don't want to be in our corner and just want to be left alone.

sorry but you are naive to the american reality in the world.
first america is "engaged" whether it likes it or not. second, it seeks to control more than would be available to it otherwise, that is imperialism. and believing pulling out of iraq would either be a successful disengagement from the world or the act which finishes american imperialism shows your naivety.

So how do propose that we get Iraqis to love us and Israel at the same time reject Islam and it's radical views ? Through use of force and arms ?? LOL - Good freaking luck bashing your head against the new Islamic fundi wall we helped build in Iraq by deposing a secular dicator of our creation. The two choices in Iraq once and if we leave will be A.) Radical Islamic Sunni goverment or B.) Radical Shiite Islamic goverment. No puppet we prop up with designs of a democratic Iraq will last long unless he is as brutal as Saddam. If that's the case then we should of never of gotten rid of Secular Saddam in the first place.
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.

 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: pickuplines
Originally posted by: Drift3r

It's not staying in Iraq and waiting for the obvious to happen.

and what exactly is the obvious?

government and life style then they will stand up and fight for it in mass by themselves

its sooo easy that infact all people living under dictators have done it throughout history...

This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building. In the end it's up to Iraqis to decide their future not us. No amount of military power aka...."shock and awe" can change the minds of a poeple or force them to our corner if they don't want to be in our corner and just want to be left alone.

sorry but you are naive to the american reality in the world.
first america is "engaged" whether it likes it or not. second, it seeks to control more than would be available to it otherwise, that is imperialism. and believing pulling out of iraq would either be a successful disengagement from the world or the act which finishes american imperialism shows your naivety.

As does the following...

Would you take a bullet for a foreign occupier for 190 bucks a month ?? A 7/11 clerk earns more then that !

Although IMO it would have to go far beyond naivety to actually believe such a statement.

1.) The obvious is a Islamic lead revolution against our troops. Sorry but Allawi is not gonna be running anything in that nation unless we rig some elections.

2.) They are not living under Saddam anymore buddy. You forgot this one important part. It's obvious they don't want to live under our rule and neither do they want our hand picked goverment.

3.) You don't seem to want to see most of these guys need money badly and with a 70% unemployment rate in Iraq this is their last choice. Yet when push comes to shove they have been proven to fold and run or to switch sides. Not to mention the massive inflitration of insurgent forces into the Iraqi police and armed forces which further suggests that we are being played on both sides here.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.


Sorry buddy but you just lost the debate when you resorted to name calling.

Anyways...........They may of wanted Saddam out but they also wanted us out ASAP once Saddam was gone. You think those permenate bases we are building in Iraq are for show ? We aren't leaving anytime soon and we aren't done messing with their affairs until they kick us out. It was not a invasion of liberation but a way to put forward US bases in Iraq to further the neo-con disillusions of a US homogony in the Middle-East. If they elect a pro-Islamic government which demands that we leave ASAP you seriously think we are leaving ???? No we aren't cause freedom is the last thing you want to give someone if you want to have some sort of power in that region of the world to further your agenda.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.

Awww, as you were one of the first to call me a Nazi i thought you would appreciate it, of course you just looked at me being German, not being a Jew, if you found it to be an insult... My grandparents escaped the Nazis and payback is a bitch.

The US is a free country? you are joking? A free country can imprison persons without charging them with anything, locking them up without charges? You do realize that the US is anything BUT free?

Ah, you mean ex-US, ok, i am with you so if some foreign invader blows your family to hell you will just be cool with that?

I have been to hell, in fact part of this weekend is returning from hell, for the last time.

I am packing up to leave Afghanistan, an international worthwhile mission that worked out quite well.
 

Format C:

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.

Awww, as you were one of the first to call me a Nazi i thought you would appreciate it, of course you just looked at me being German, not being a Jew, if you found it to be an insult... My grandparents escaped the Nazis and payback is a bitch.

The US is a free country? you are joking? A free country can imprison persons without charging them with anything, locking them up without charges? You do realize that the US is anything BUT free?

Ah, you mean ex-US, ok, i am with you so if some foreign invader blows your family to hell you will just be cool with that?

I have been to hell, in fact part of this weekend is returning from hell, for the last time.

I am packing up to leave Afghanistan, an international worthwhile mission that worked out quite well.

Not only are you an asshole, you're a DAMNED LIAR as well. Cough up where I've ever said you were a nazi. Go ahead, I dare you. You can't, LIAR, because I've never called anybody a nazi. You're the one that tosses that term around every chance you get. There was a time you would've been banned for it too, but I suppose its okay to do now as long as you're sitting in the lap of the right people.

 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
we are not a Imperialist nation and if you look at history nations which seek and obtain empires have always fallen.
We have been imperialist since they day we won the revolution. Maifest destiny anyone?
This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building.
Rome was founded as a republic too. Infact our government was modeled after the roman and our founders had the history of Rome on their minds.

 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Format C:
. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell.
And if they were still occupying 2 years later?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.

Awww, as you were one of the first to call me a Nazi i thought you would appreciate it, of course you just looked at me being German, not being a Jew, if you found it to be an insult... My grandparents escaped the Nazis and payback is a bitch.

The US is a free country? you are joking? A free country can imprison persons without charging them with anything, locking them up without charges? You do realize that the US is anything BUT free?

Ah, you mean ex-US, ok, i am with you so if some foreign invader blows your family to hell you will just be cool with that?

I have been to hell, in fact part of this weekend is returning from hell, for the last time.

I am packing up to leave Afghanistan, an international worthwhile mission that worked out quite well.

Not only are you an asshole, you're a DAMNED LIAR as well. Cough up where I've ever said you were a nazi. Go ahead, I dare you. You can't, LIAR, because I've never called anybody a nazi. You're the one that tosses that term around every chance you get. There was a time you would've been banned for it too, but I suppose its okay to do now as long as you're sitting in the lap of the right people.

You even got banned for the comment, i'll try to find it for you, someone called me nazi and i requested he removed his comment, of course you could not resist calling me a Nazi then and got two weeks off for it.

(whining to the mods won't do you much good little one)

I wouldn't have brougth it up (i never do) but it was mentioned.

You can call me whatever you like but an answer would be more productive, you can't, of course you can't provide an answer, being on topic is not one of your strong sides, is it?

You are good at one thing, that is whining.
 

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Drift3r
we are not a Imperialist nation and if you look at history nations which seek and obtain empires have always fallen.
We have been imperialist since they day we won the revolution. Maifest destiny anyone?
This is why we were founded as a Republic on principles which rejected empire building.
Rome was founded as a republic too. Infact our government was modeled after the roman and our founders had the history of Rome on their minds.


Rome thrived under it's republic rule until it's leaders undermined their own government to give control to so called "God Emperors" because these leaders had won over the public opinion. Then again Greece's democracy didn't last that long once Alexander took over did it ? I much rather have a republic to live under over democracy which amounts to mob rule.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Well, LIAR, where's your proof that I called you a nazi? Come up, dig it up! I'm waiting.

I am sorry if i don't spend too much of an effort on this matter, it was some time ago and i don't really have the time or the will to search this forums archives.

Chances are the comment was removed when the mod decided to ban you for it.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Format C:
Well, LIAR, where's your proof that I called you a nazi? Come up, dig it up! I'm waiting.

I am sorry if i don't spend too much of an effort on this matter, it was some time ago and i don't really have the time or the will to search this forums archives.

Chances are the comment was removed when the mod decided to ban you for it.


Lets see the thread where he got banned then. Simple enough.
 

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.

Awww, as you were one of the first to call me a Nazi i thought you would appreciate it, of course you just looked at me being German, not being a Jew, if you found it to be an insult... My grandparents escaped the Nazis and payback is a bitch.

The US is a free country? you are joking? A free country can imprison persons without charging them with anything, locking them up without charges? You do realize that the US is anything BUT free?

Ah, you mean ex-US, ok, i am with you so if some foreign invader blows your family to hell you will just be cool with that?

I have been to hell, in fact part of this weekend is returning from hell, for the last time.

I am packing up to leave Afghanistan, an international worthwhile mission that worked out quite well.

Not only are you an asshole, you're a DAMNED LIAR as well. Cough up where I've ever said you were a nazi. Go ahead, I dare you. You can't, LIAR, because I've never called anybody a nazi. You're the one that tosses that term around every chance you get. There was a time you would've been banned for it too, but I suppose its okay to do now as long as you're sitting in the lap of the right people.

There was a time when members were banned for calling people nazis? Damn, nazi is pretty tame when compared to the names flying around today. "huge pile of stinking sh!t"

I remember when people were banned for calling the mods nazis, but not for other members. Is that what you're referring to?
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Format C:, If someone invaded the US, would you fight them and if you did, would you be a terrorist?

I know you think the US is the saviour of the free world (applause), but most people kinda dislike having their country occupied by foreign military for no good reason.

GW is succeeding in two areas, creating more terrorists and making sure the US flag is one of the most hated symbols, in time i am sure you fvckers will be able to get it so hated that it will be next to the swastika one day, i think that is part of your goal.

*snort* Looks like you just let the cat out of the bag on just how stupid you really are. First of all, if the US, or any other free country, were taken over by a madman like Saddam, I'd welcome anyone "invading" to overthrow him, as would you or anyone else with more than one functioning brain cell. Assuming their head was still attached to their body of course. Not only would I not fight them, I'd assist them in any way possible. I'd only fight against them if I were hoping to return things to the way they were under the dictator.

As to your swastika/nazi swipe I've only one thing to say... GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ASSHOLE.

Awww, as you were one of the first to call me a Nazi i thought you would appreciate it, of course you just looked at me being German, not being a Jew, if you found it to be an insult... My grandparents escaped the Nazis and payback is a bitch.

The US is a free country? you are joking? A free country can imprison persons without charging them with anything, locking them up without charges? You do realize that the US is anything BUT free?

Ah, you mean ex-US, ok, i am with you so if some foreign invader blows your family to hell you will just be cool with that?

I have been to hell, in fact part of this weekend is returning from hell, for the last time.

I am packing up to leave Afghanistan, an international worthwhile mission that worked out quite well.

Not only are you an asshole, you're a DAMNED LIAR as well. Cough up where I've ever said you were a nazi. Go ahead, I dare you. You can't, LIAR, because I've never called anybody a nazi. You're the one that tosses that term around every chance you get. There was a time you would've been banned for it too, but I suppose its okay to do now as long as you're sitting in the lap of the right people.

You even got banned for the comment, i'll try to find it for you, someone called me nazi and i requested he removed his comment, of course you could not resist calling me a Nazi then and got two weeks off for it.

(whining to the mods won't do you much good little one)

I wouldn't have brougth it up (i never do) but it was mentioned.

You can call me whatever you like but an answer would be more productive, you can't, of course you can't provide an answer, being on topic is not one of your strong sides, is it?

You are good at one thing, that is whining.

YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT. You won't EVER find a post by me calling you a nazi. You sir are nothing but a lying scumbag that wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and bit you in the ass. You come in here day after day after day and call people one name after another including your FAVORITE term to call everyone. Would you like to guess just what that term is?

 
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