Wish they shared the sub scores because the overall does not mean much on its own.
Another i7-12700 result
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Six Intel 12th Gen Core CPUs spotted, including KF-Series According to a leak from Komachi, Intel will be launching a KF series based on Alder Lake silicon. The leaker has a list of upcoming Alder Lake CPUs from an unknown source. Komachi sources are usually tied to manufacturer websites or...videocardz.com
No, that is absolutely not how Intel used to do it. Anyway, since they can't legally and so openly do what they used to do anymore, they have learned and got really good at going after the decision makers in a company. While still not legal in every aspect, it's like illegal prostitution - it takes two and if both individual parties are happy (who cares about the family or the state), you rarely get into official trouble.
If you sign an agreement to sell X amount of units within the next Y amount of time, you'll receive a rebate. At least that is how Intel used to do it. The rebate depends on the number of processors you sell, and the actual rebate amounts aren't privy to the public, but the discount can be significant. In the past a $350 CPU the sold moderately would cost an OEM such as Dell almost half that (around $190-$210), while in their (the OEM's) BOM they would charge you the retail price. I imagine an OEM that sells several hundred thousand 12900ks will be able to lower their ASP to around $300 or so. I do NOT expect the 12900k to cost more than $580 (and less with discount resellers like Amazon, the 11900k is $488 right now for example, but the MSRP is actually $550), but we will see. Note all after rebate are ASP (average selling price), so when you multiply that by X amount of units, it adds up pretty quickly. Note that some companies will offer you discounts for buying a large number of units, but Intel, to my knowledge (at least when I worked with them) they don't do that. Perhaps someone here works with Intel currently and can provide insight as to whether they do this.
Please note that my knowledge is pretty out of date. I got out of that game a few decades ago.
You misunderstood me. What you described, every company does. This was not what allowed Intel to win over customers, and certainly not how they convinced them not to purchase and offer anything from competitors.They absolutely did do this. It is nothing more than a volume purchasing agreement. The rebate system as I described is legal. Intel is NOT the only company to do it. Many other companies do this as well as an alternative to volume discounts. Volume discounts require a large purchase up front and most companies shy away from buying a ton of inventory.
The other crap about incentivizing purchases of only Intel products is not legal.
Thanks for the reply. I hope you are right about the 12900K pricing. I'm just hoping they don't start to believe their own hype and try pricing the 12900K at $999!
And the point I was trying to make was you were both correct since you were talking about (slightly) different things.
New 12700 results seem to be pulling away from my Skylake, even if memory still seems to have horrible latency.
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One has to wonder about previuos vs these Crypto results -> either there was some problem with BIOS advertising VAES instructions or part of previuos test was run on small core. If latter it's bad news for Alder Lake on Windows 10 scheduler.
But Rocket Lake covered much of that leap in GeekBench already, so these are still interesting results at most.In single thread Ram is not of big importance, so overall it s 28% faster in ST clock/clock than your CML.
But Rocket Lake covered much of that leap in GeekBench already, so these are still interesting results at most.
For Anandtech, the 11900k scored 1821/10281. The 12700 right now scores around 1763/11895.
The thing is, unless Intel changes pricing from previous gen, the 12700 is a $350 part while the 11900k is a $550 part. The 12700 likely has a 65W PL1, and the 12700 is going to consume significantly less power than than the 11900k.
Anandtech does not appear to have 11700 GB5 results, but a stock system score with stock RAM (JEDEC timings) appears to be around 1665/8900.
In single thread Ram is not of big importance, so overall it s 28% faster in ST clock/clock than your CML.
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Yes, on the right - 10P. No fancy scheduler needed. No AVX512 issues. No brainer to me.Ian Cutress on Twitter:
WolStame states that it's not only the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 graphics card that would need 350W to run at its fullest potential & follows up with what seems to be early numbers of an Intel Alder Lake-S chip running at Lenovo's test labs.
Yes, on the right - 10P. No fancy scheduler needed. No AVX512 issues. No brainer to me.
Different strokes I guess.If true that Gracemont=Skylake then I'm not sure. 4 Golden Coves + 24 Gracemonts (Skylake) might run well on some well threaded apps. Can't wait for actual reviews.
The 5950X will use 250+ watts too if you want to extract the last 10% of all-core performance.Seems like these cpus will use up-to and above 250++ w if you have the cooling needed. (just to beat regular zen3(?)