That's what I am wondering. Oh, and thanks for the correction (Granite, not Sapphire Rapids).
Well, guess we don't know what the compute tile will be - how many cores, cache size, etc. Intel seems to be going larger on P Cores.
@Ajay
Last I heard, Intel will be supplementing Intel 4/Intel 7nm with TSMC N3 but may be limited to 20kwpm from them as well, for an indeterminent period of time (having 20kwpm from your own fabs is different from having that allocation from TSMC for only a few months). And Intel is going to have to share Intel 4 and TSMC N3 wafers across their entire product lineup: Granite Rapids, Xe, Meteor Lake, and other crap.
Meteor Lake may not even show up on the desktop. Some were saying it was mobile-first or potentially mobile-only.
If suppose the CPU portion of the chip is 1/3rd of the chip area, then it would require about 1/3rd the rate. 20KWPM is about 1/3rd of 65KWPM. Plus, since it isn't node locked to Intel, TSMC could fill in the gap. I just don't (yet) see the shortage. I'm not saying that it won't happen, I'm just saying that there isn't yet enough data that convinces me that Intel will have a production shortage. Now, suppose that the Meteor Lake GPU tile was also going to be on Intel 4, then you have a strong case.
The P cores are getting more transistors, but they are sticking with 8 P cores for many generations. So as the node shrinks, it might end up with smaller and smaller areas. Of course, that requires a lot of hand-waving regarding information we don't know such as how much more will cache sizes grow. As far as I know, the number of E cores on Meteor Lake hasn't leaked yet. If it is just a node shrink of Raptor Lake (similar to Intel's old "Tick"), 8 P and 16 E cores, then Meteor Lake could be a small chip. A small chip helps meet production limitations.Well, guess we don't know what the compute tile will be - how many cores, cache size, etc. Intel seems to be going larger on P Cores.
Do intel still limited to 10 cores before Switching to Mesh?The P cores are getting more transistors, but they are sticking with 8 P cores for many generations.
Do intel still limited to 10 cores before Switching to Mesh?
I think they have found that 8 cores is the sweet spot(at least for them) and adding more would hinder efficiency... But a four chiplet(3 CCD and one IO) Zen4/5 will put a hurt on them at least on SMTThey might go to "12" but not much more than that.
Do intel still limited to 10 cores before Switching to Mesh?
The P cores are getting more transistors, but they are sticking with 8 P cores for many generations. So as the node shrinks, it might end up with smaller and smaller areas. Of course, that requires a lot of hand-waving regarding information we don't know such as how much more will cache sizes grow. As far as I know, the number of E cores on Meteor Lake hasn't leaked yet. If it is just a node shrink of Raptor Lake (similar to Intel's old "Tick"), 8 P and 16 E cores, then Meteor Lake could be a small chip. A small chip helps meet production limitations.
What Intel seems to be planning on is a very short Meteor Lake production. It is sandwiched between Raptor Lake (4Q 2022) and Arrow Lake (2H 2023). If Meteor Lake is late or Arrow Lake is early, then Meteor Lake might not really have much time in their production schedule.
The 12700k scores 22,689 points in CBr23 @160W. I found that interesting.
Meteor Lake would be Core 14xxx series. I doubt we will see further delays. Intel has already produced and powered on the early silicon with no issues.
I'm sorry. I was a little late. It's just 0+8 is reserved. It doesn't indicate a SKU exists.
Might be Gracemont-only SKUs coming.
Thats pretty remarkable. If you watch the video CPU package power is 45W however. Still excellent
9W iGPU usage for whatever reason.
Actually, M1 Max is a bit better, but ADL was only 6C+8c and speed was 3+2.4GHz.
Also impressive is the 25244 score with package power of 117W, which is better than the 5950x.Thats pretty remarkable. If you watch the video CPU package power is 45W however. Still excellent
Also impressive is the 25244 score with package power of 117W, which is better than the 5950x.
Given the high performance/watt of Alder Lake at reasonable clock speeds, we may see AMD "recommend" 200+W power settings in reviews for its 16-core CPUs going forward.
I think so, but I don't think it's too unfair. The 5950x is already pretty well-tuned by AMD, you can't use a very high negative offset (compared to the lower tier 5000 models) with PBO curve optimizer before a 5950x becomes unstable.Is he manually undervolting?
I think so, but I don't think it's too unfair. The 5950x is already pretty well-tuned by AMD, you can't use a very high negative offset (compared to the lower tier 5000 models) with PBO curve optimizer before a 5950x becomes unstable.
Its better in single core, but not multi core or 28,641Also impressive is the 25244 score with package power of 117W, which is better than the 5950x.
Given the high performance/watt of Alder Lake at reasonable clock speeds, we may see AMD "recommend" 200+W power settings in reviews for its 16-core CPUs going forward.
Its better in single core, but not multi core or 28,641
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Benchmark, Test and specs
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X benchmark results and review of this cpu with specs including the number of cores, threads, memory bandwidth, pcie lanes and power consumption. Benchmarks in Cinebench R23 and Geekbench 5www.cpu-monkey.com
See above, it still looses by cpu-monkey.I have to wonder how much higher it would go moving from 117W -> 143W