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mikk

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Did he say Panther is one of the first architectures which leverage Royal Cove?
 

Geddagod

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For what it's worth

I kid you not, this exact video was pretty much the exact same thing as wowpople "leaked" last year (pretty sure he was trolling). He deleted a lot of it though.
Like the exact same stuff, down to the fact that two cores core fusion was the starting point, but would go up to 4. The only differences I can recall is that he claimed LNC was going to be the first architecture that uses this, but I don't think that's true either. And even then, RGT still said there might be a 'predecessor' to PTC that uses this royal cove plan, and the predecessor to PTC is LNC.
He also said that the big cores would be called internally under the 'molecule' line- aptly named from many different 'atom' cores being able to 'fuse' together to perform as a big core.
So this gives us two possibilities-
1)wowpople actually did talk to someone at Intel who either had real information or false information or was just messing with people, and that was the same guy RGT talked to as well
2)RGT saw the tweet from wowpople, and just essentially stole it, whether it was true or not
Either way though, I'm pretty sure it's not true. But who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Exist50

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I kid you not, this exact video was pretty much the exact same thing as wowpople "leaked" last year (pretty sure he was trolling). He deleted a lot of it though.
Like the exact same stuff, down to the fact that two cores core fusion was the starting point, but would go up to 4. The only differences I can recall is that he claimed LNC was going to be the first architecture that uses this, but I don't think that's true either. And even then, RGT still said there might be a 'predecessor' to PTC that uses this royal cove plan, and the predecessor to PTC is LNC.
He also said that the big cores would be called internally under the 'molecule' line- aptly named from many different 'atom' cores being able to 'fuse' together to perform as a big core.
So this gives us two possibilities-
1)wowpople actually did talk to someone at Intel who either had real information or false information or was just messing with people, and that was the same guy RGT talked to as well
2)RGT saw the tweet from wowpople, and just essentially stole it, whether it was true or not
Either way though, I'm pretty sure it's not true. But who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can someone give me a TLDW of his claims? Because all of that sounds like straight BS.
 
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IntelUser2000

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Can someone give me a TLDW of his claims? Because all of that sounds like straight BS.

That's part of the reason I don't like his videos. You are made to listen to the whole thing. With written articles you could skim to the point, but you cannot with the videos.

And this is the guy that claimed RDNA3 was 2.5x as fast as RDNA2. Worst of the worst.
 

Saylick

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That's part of the reason I don't like his videos. You are made to listen to the whole thing. With written articles you could skim to the point, but you cannot with the videos.

And this is the guy that claimed RDNA3 was 2.5x as fast as RDNA2. Worst of the worst.
Yeah, that's what I hate the most about his content.
1) He just rambles on and on when it can be presented more succinctly in 3 minutes.
2) Even during his rambling, he spends a significantly portion of it just hedging, e.g. saying "Again, take this with a grain of salt. It could be higher, it could be lower. I don't know yet", which really makes it sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about or just making things up.

These two things really irks me because not only is he wasting my time by being more wordy than necessary, but he's wasting my time by telling me something that he himself didn't even vet or validate prior to posting.
 

Glo.

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I kid you not, this exact video was pretty much the exact same thing as wowpople "leaked" last year (pretty sure he was trolling). He deleted a lot of it though.
Like the exact same stuff, down to the fact that two cores core fusion was the starting point, but would go up to 4. The only differences I can recall is that he claimed LNC was going to be the first architecture that uses this, but I don't think that's true either. And even then, RGT still said there might be a 'predecessor' to PTC that uses this royal cove plan, and the predecessor to PTC is LNC.
He also said that the big cores would be called internally under the 'molecule' line- aptly named from many different 'atom' cores being able to 'fuse' together to perform as a big core.
So this gives us two possibilities-
1)wowpople actually did talk to someone at Intel who either had real information or false information or was just messing with people, and that was the same guy RGT talked to as well
2)RGT saw the tweet from wowpople, and just essentially stole it, whether it was true or not
Either way though, I'm pretty sure it's not true. But who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Its not exactly to what was Paul alluding to.

He pretty much said 50% of what he knows on the topic of Royal core. He twisted some things on purpose, to not spill all of the beans on this topic because: A) he couldn't double source it, B) there are still sensitive things there.
 

Exist50

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Its not exactly to what was Paul alluding to.

He pretty much said 50% of what he knows on the topic of Royal core. He twisted some things on purpose, to not spill all of the beans on this topic because: A) he couldn't double source it, B) there are still sensitive things there.
I'm not going to watch the video. But every single point @Geddagod listed from it is false. So he's either an idiot being lied to, or more likely, he's just BSing and/or plagiarizing the whole thing for views. That's basically his entire schtick, but people keep falling for it.

He darn well doesn't "know" anything about Royal. That much is abundantly clear.
 
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Glo.

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That's part of the reason I don't like his videos. You are made to listen to the whole thing. With written articles you could skim to the point, but you cannot with the videos.

And this is the guy that claimed RDNA3 was 2.5x as fast as RDNA2. Worst of the worst.
Basically, Royal core is supposed to be, according to those claims, something like Bulldozer architecture, but done properly, where Cores can merge together to form larger core, to increase efficiency and Instruction per Clock.

Look. Paul is only reporting of what he was told.
 

Exist50

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Basically, Royal core is supposed to be, according to those claims, something like Bulldozer architecture, but done properly, where Cores can merge together to form larger core, to increase efficiency and Instruction per Clock.

Look. Paul is only reporting of what he was told.
Why do you assume he didn't make it all up?
 

Exist50

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I don't assume. I know that he didn't.
So, all the times he's gotten stuff hilariously wrong, this included, have just been him being fed misinformation? The best possible interpretation right now is that he's a gullible idiot that believes what anyone tells him. But given his complete unwillingness to change his behavior, it seems far more deliberate. At best, he doesn't care that he's spouting BS.
 

Glo.

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So, all the times he's gotten stuff hilariously wrong, this included, have just been him being fed misinformation? The best possible interpretation right now is that he's a gullible idiot that believes what anyone tells him. But given his complete unwillingness to change his behavior, it seems far more deliberate. At best, he doesn't care that he's spouting BS.
I don't know about past things.

I know that this one he didn't made up.
 

Saylick

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Fine, then he's profiting from misinformation he's too incompetent or unwilling to identify.
Sadly, this is the truth amongst many leakers/rumor mill websites in the PC hardware space. There are no real journalists these days. Most just care about ad impressions, view counts, and being the first to publish. Due diligence and vetting of information is not even a consideration. One of the worst things that happened as a result of this approach is how many of these sites will now "report" on topics that are somewhat financially related, e.g. market share, earnings reports, macro economics, supply chain, etc. because it's another source of monetizable content, but they are clearly not knowledgeable enough to handle that info. Quotes get misquoted, statements get interpreted incorrectly... It's honestly pisses me off since we need more good knowledge in this space, not less of it. It's honestly the biggest reason why I stick around here on AT forums, because at least we have a community here that cares about the in-depth aspects.
 

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Sadly, this is the truth amongst many leakers/rumor mill websites in the PC hardware space. There are no real journalists these days. Most just care about ad impressions, view counts, and being the first to publish. Due diligence and vetting of information is not even a consideration. One of the worst things that happened as a result of this approach is how many of these sites will now "report" on topics that are somewhat financially related, e.g. market share, earnings reports, macro economics, supply chain, etc. because it's another source of monetizable content, but they are clearly not knowledgeable enough to handle that info. Quotes get misquoted, statements get interpreted incorrectly... It's honestly pisses me off since we need more good knowledge in this space, not less of it. It's honestly the biggest reason why I stick around here on AT forums, because at least we have a community here that cares about the in-depth aspects.
I will be 100% frank, the Apple space has better leakers that report leaks and rumours of Apple hardware and software. The Android Space when it comes to leaks and rumors is great too. NO out of this world BS like the PC space.

"RDNA3 will be 2.5x of RDNA2". Don't trust these people.
 

Exist50

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Sadly, this is the truth amongst many leakers/rumor mill websites in the PC hardware space. There are no real journalists these days. Most just care about ad impressions, view counts, and being the first to publish. Due diligence and vetting of information is not even a consideration. One of the worst things that happened as a result of this approach is how many of these sites will now "report" on topics that are somewhat financially related, e.g. market share, earnings reports, macro economics, supply chain, etc. because it's another source of monetizable content, but they are clearly not knowledgeable enough to handle that info. Quotes get misquoted, statements get interpreted incorrectly... It's honestly pisses me off since we need more good knowledge in this space, not less of it. It's honestly the biggest reason why I stick around here on AT forums, because at least we have a community here that cares about the in-depth aspects.
There are still good tech sites these days, albeit rarer than they once were. But even the mainstream mediocre ones (Tom's, (sadly) Anandtech, Ars, etc.) aren't this bad. The Youtube "leakers" are disproportionately responsible for passing off these blatant falsifications as fact. Even compared to rumor mills, at least Videocardz has some filtering. This is as bad as wccftech, if not worse. And they make you wade through terrible videos for a paragraph's worth of "information", which just rubs salt into the wound.
 
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poke01

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There are still good tech sites these days, albeit rarer than they once were. But even the mainstream mediocre ones (Tom's, (sadly) Anandtech, Ars, etc.) aren't this bad. The Youtube "leakers" are disproportionately responsible for passing off these blatant falsifications as fact. Even compared to rumor mills, at least Videocardz has some filtering. This is as bad as wccftech, if not worse. And they make you wade through terrible videos for a paragraph's worth of "information", which just rubs salt into the wound.
Mac rumours and 9to5mac/google also are much better than PC news YouTubers
 

IntelUser2000

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There are still good tech sites these days, albeit rarer than they once were. But even the mainstream mediocre ones (Tom's, (sadly) Anandtech, Ars, etc.) aren't this bad. The Youtube "leakers" are disproportionately responsible for passing off these blatant falsifications as fact. Even compared to rumor mills, at least Videocardz has some filtering. This is as bad as wccftech, if not worse. And they make you wade through terrible videos for a paragraph's worth of "information", which just rubs salt into the wound.

Maybe this is the real reason behind it being unreliable. It may be rooted in human psychology such as with the Stanford Prison Experiment. You put people in certain places and they act in an expected manner for the most part(because exceptions always exist).

So when you have a written article, you have to think more before you write. When you are speaking you often make mistakes because you can deliver information faster and the vetting process ends up being worse. And the sites with written articles you have to go through multiple people before you become an author of a piece or even if you are one whether it's approved or not.

In theory there shouldn't be a difference but it seems this is another of the cases where there is a difference and it's not a small one. WCCFTech at least posts enough legitimate articles.

(Just to be clear, the excuse I'm giving is for MLID. He did get some things right. RGT is whole another level of nonsense)

1) He just rambles on and on when it can be presented more succinctly in 3 minutes.

A WHOLE 3 MINUTES!!?? I am going to call you Generous Saylick from now on.

I completely skip to the text part(which this video had zero of), read it and look at something else. The Battlemage slide was genuine. Takes 10 seconds to read. Maybe 20, which includes stopping for a bit to fantasize in my head.
 
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BorisTheBlade82

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But, to give some credit to this rumour: Even Ian Cutress - who is not primarily known as a rumour mill - is mentioning this topic on Twitter from time to time - so maybe it is not completely out of this universe.
OTOH after Intel bought Soft Machines in 2016, it has been rather quiet around them.
 
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