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They're also announcing XeSS 2 that brings frame generation.



$249 for B580. Can't wait to see how it does against 3060 12GB.

The B570 should be faster than the 3060 12GB already.




EDIT: nevermind
 

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Intel BMG-G21 GPU schematics.
- TSMC N5
- 272 mm²
- 19,6 Billion Transistors
- 72,1 MTr/mm²
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So basically a more power efficient 6700XT launched nearly 4 years later with worse node adjusted PPA. It is cheap but you can find 6700XTs for similar pricing, depends on how much you like gimmicks and a warranty.
Would've been alright if launched on time, but as of next month it will be extremely DOA.
 

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So basically a more power efficient 6700XT launched nearly 4 years later with worse node adjusted PPA. It is cheap but you can find 6700XTs for similar pricing, depends on how much you like gimmicks and a warranty.
Would've been alright if launched on time, but as of next month it will be extremely DOA.
New GPUs are usually a poor value compared to discounted prior generations.
 
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What's up with dies size and transistor count? According to this techpowerup AD107 spec AD107 has 19 billion transistors and die size of 159 mm². This thing has 19.6 billion and die size of 272 mm² ... something's off. Both are 5nm.

Also, B580 has probably much larger media engine block than AD107.
 

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GB205 die size with 192-bit bus, barely beats AD107 with 128-bit bus. Absolutely terrible.
Yeah I think they are just using HP Library or something is wrong in their design cause the Tx count is not far apart between AD107 and and G21
 

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Let's see how optimized is, remember how Maxwell was excellent despite being 28nm?
Nvidia can make their GPU's on any silicon and they would still be good. The 4060 (4N) had a TDP of 115w. The B570 has a TDP of 150w and the B580 is 190W. I seem to be the only one here who admires highly efficient low power CPU's and GPU's.
 
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New GPUs are usually a poor value compared to discounted prior generations.
Sure, but the bigger point is that PPA has not caught up much at all which means margins will continue to be nonexistent.
Density for a N5 product is terrible, lack of DTCO it seems. LNL is technically a lightweight version of this uArch on N3B but looks massively more competitive iso-node.
 

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Intel is claiming the B580 will perform between a 4060 and a 4060Ti. Closer to a 4060 performance. It sounds like a 3060Ti might edge out the B580. That is two generations old now. The 12GB of the B580 sounds nice and looks good on paper. N5 is not the correct node for Battlemage. Intel should have put Battlemage on their own 20A silicon.
 
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Intel is claiming the B580 will perform between a 4060 and a 4060Ti. Closer to a 4060 performance. It sounds like a 3060Ti might edge out the B580. That is two generations old now. The 12GB of the B580 sounds nice and looks good on paper. N5 is not the correct node for Battlemage. Intel should have put Battlemage on their own 20A silicon.
Intel nodes lack the decades of GPU specific optimisations that TSMC nodes have.
It would be worse, noticeably worse even on a superior Intel node on paper.
N3E would help, but those wafers also cost a lot more so you are stuck in margin hell regardless.
 

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Sure, but the bigger point is that PPA has not caught up much at all which means margins will continue to be nonexistent.
Density for a N5 product is terrible, lack of DTCO it seems. LNL is technically a lightweight version of this uArch on N3B but looks massively more competitive iso-node.
I agree that the perf/mm^2 is quite poor with battlemage (like alchemist before it), but I don't think it's fair to compare MSRP of the new product against sale prices of a 4 year old product.
 

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Intel nodes lack the decades of GPU specific optimisations that TSMC nodes have.
It would be worse, noticeably worse even on a superior Intel node on paper.
N3E would help, but those wafers also cost a lot more so you are stuck in margin hell regardless.
N4P is more than good enough right now. The good stuff on 3nm will be N3P and N3X. After that it's N2.
 

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The market will decide that.
I just see no way it will claw anything back vs the incumbents.
Any market share gains will be gone the next generation imo. Intel apparently has a skeleton crew working on dGPUs and given how large this die is, it’s not making much profit, so unless Intel invests more money into that group it will continue to work on a shoe string budget.
 

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I agree that the perf/mm^2 is quite poor with battlemage (like alchemist before it), but I don't think it's fair to compare MSRP of the new product against sale prices of a 4 year old product.
After seeing the specs of B570. A true retail price of $149 would be appropriate. The B580 should be $199.
 
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