GB205 die size with 192-bit bus, barely beats AD107 with 128-bit bus. Absolutely terrible.Intel BMG-G21 GPU schematics.
- TSMC N5
- 272 mm²
- 19,6 Billion Transistors
- 72,1 MTr/mm²
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The B570 should be faster than the 3060 12GB already.$249 for B580. Can't wait to see how it does against 3060 12GB.
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So basically a more power efficient 6700XT launched nearly 4 years later with worse node adjusted PPA. It is cheap but you can find 6700XTs for similar pricing, depends on how much you like gimmicks and a warranty.Intel BMG-G21 GPU schematics.
- TSMC N5
- 272 mm²
- 19,6 Billion Transistors
- 72,1 MTr/mm²
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Bad N5, no good. Let's hope the B7XX SKU's have N4 or N4P silicon.Intel BMG-G21 GPU schematics.
- TSMC N5
- 272 mm²
- 19,6 Billion Transistors
- 72,1 MTr/mm²
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New GPUs are usually a poor value compared to discounted prior generations.So basically a more power efficient 6700XT launched nearly 4 years later with worse node adjusted PPA. It is cheap but you can find 6700XTs for similar pricing, depends on how much you like gimmicks and a warranty.
Would've been alright if launched on time, but as of next month it will be extremely DOA.
Yeah I think they are just using HP Library or something is wrong in their design cause the Tx count is not far apart between AD107 and and G21GB205 die size with 192-bit bus, barely beats AD107 with 128-bit bus. Absolutely terrible.
Let's see how optimized is, remember how Maxwell was excellent despite being 28nm?Bad N5, no good. Let's hope the B7XX SKU's have N4 or N4P silicon.
Nvidia can make their GPU's on any silicon and they would still be good. The 4060 (4N) had a TDP of 115w. The B570 has a TDP of 150w and the B580 is 190W. I seem to be the only one here who admires highly efficient low power CPU's and GPU's.Let's see how optimized is, remember how Maxwell was excellent despite being 28nm?
Sure, but the bigger point is that PPA has not caught up much at all which means margins will continue to be nonexistent.New GPUs are usually a poor value compared to discounted prior generations.
Intel nodes lack the decades of GPU specific optimisations that TSMC nodes have.Intel is claiming the B580 will perform between a 4060 and a 4060Ti. Closer to a 4060 performance. It sounds like a 3060Ti might edge out the B580. That is two generations old now. The 12GB of the B580 sounds nice and looks good on paper. N5 is not the correct node for Battlemage. Intel should have put Battlemage on their own 20A silicon.
I agree that the perf/mm^2 is quite poor with battlemage (like alchemist before it), but I don't think it's fair to compare MSRP of the new product against sale prices of a 4 year old product.Sure, but the bigger point is that PPA has not caught up much at all which means margins will continue to be nonexistent.
Density for a N5 product is terrible, lack of DTCO it seems. LNL is technically a lightweight version of this uArch on N3B but looks massively more competitive iso-node.
The market will decide that.I agree that the perf/mm^2 is quite poor with battlemage (like alchemist before it), but I don't think it's fair to compare MSRP of the new product against sale prices of a 4 year old product.
N4P is more than good enough right now. The good stuff on 3nm will be N3P and N3X. After that it's N2.Intel nodes lack the decades of GPU specific optimisations that TSMC nodes have.
It would be worse, noticeably worse even on a superior Intel node on paper.
N3E would help, but those wafers also cost a lot more so you are stuck in margin hell regardless.
Only if Intel gonna heavy marketing like Stalker 2, where 8gb cards dead.I just see no way it will claw anything back vs the incumbents.
Any market share gains will be gone the next generation imo. Intel apparently has a skeleton crew working on dGPUs and given how large this die is, it’s not making much profit, so unless Intel invests more money into that group it will continue to work on a shoe string budget.The market will decide that.
I just see no way it will claw anything back vs the incumbents.
After seeing the specs of B570. A true retail price of $149 would be appropriate. The B580 should be $199.I agree that the perf/mm^2 is quite poor with battlemage (like alchemist before it), but I don't think it's fair to compare MSRP of the new product against sale prices of a 4 year old product.
selling without profit?A true retail price of $149 would be appropriate. The B580 should be $199.
Yup nope that is way too lowAfter seeing the specs of B570. A true retail price of $149 would be appropriate. The B580 should be $199.
Expected to be a tad less but we shall see.Anyway N48 top have same mm²?
I just heard G31 is scaped RIP. But celestial is 2025 LOLTrue but by the time B7xx comes out it won’t be last gen. But I understand what you meant.
if AMD put 12GB N48 for 300+, that gonna kill B580, Nvidia we know gonna be overprice10% over the 4060 for $250 is fairly simple to counter, the VRAM is all it has going for it.
Where did you hear this? A reliable person or not?I just heard G31 is scaped RIP. But celestial is 2025 LOL