News Intel GPUs - waiting for B770

[DAPUNISHER]

AMDs approach to open-source which seems to not really change fast enough is: We save money and let you do the work. This obviously doesn't work at all. You still need to invest resources, have a clear plan how and what to improve and so forth and only rely on the community to report and fix bugs and maybe add some interesting niche features.

This isn't an AMD thread, so I'll push this train back on the tracks. While you guys are busy bashing big red, I think you are looking the wrong way. It's the punch you don't see coming that KOs you.

Intel showed up with better upscaling and ray tracing than AMD right out of the gate. A year ago I thought their dGPU venture was doomed. I am far more optimistic now. If Battlemage/Gandalf shows up and gets anointed the bang for buck champ in the performance tiers it competes in? Then we are off to the races.

 

[DrMrLordX]

If Battlemage/Gandalf shows up and gets anointed the bang for buck champ in the performance tiers it competes in? Then we are off to the races.

The market could use some decent sub-$500 cards again. AMD could easily live there if they wanted, but they aren't spending cutting-edge wafers on that segment right now.

 

[Mopetar]

If Intel made a solid $200 card, I'd pick one up for my older PC just to have a good spare on hand and to give them some support. Both AMD and NVidia have forsaken the lower half of the market.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

If Intel made a solid $200 card, I'd pick one up for my older PC just to have a good spare on hand and to give them some support. Both AMD and NVidia have forsaken the lower half of the market.

- Posted in the Video Card prices thread as well but the used market below $200 is such a swirling melee of bull**** its really unbelievable. 3060's, 3050's, 6600XTs, 6600's, 2060's, 2070's, 1660 Ti's all sitting next to each other in pricing like everyone thinking they're 4 year old mined out the ass POS card is made out of gold.

And the used market confusion is only propelled by the fact that no one has a proper sub $250 card on the market which causes used prices to float a lot.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'd trout smack you both for saying the A750 isn't compelling at $200. Hell, the ASRock was $180 with AC:Mirage and Nightingale a few weeks ago. But the latest debacle with Starfield kills my argument. Which really sucks because in some of the newest games, especially with ray tracing, it outperforms anything near its price. And hardware XeSS is superior to FSR IMO, having used both in the same games.

The A380 is easily the best card NIB near the $100 price point too. With the games it was practically free. Damned shame that there are still games where ARC isn't even an afterthought yet.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It's almost surrealistic reading Intel talk about trying to break Nvidia and AMD holds on respective markets.

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-meteor-lake-handheld-pc/

 

[coercitiv]

So, if Ryan Shrout is out ... does that mean Scott Herkelman is in?!

Not a fan of Ryan Shrout, not a hater either. The tension must be high at Intel right now, GPU division more so.

 

[coercitiv]

Intel is hiring software engineers for their GPU divison, building a team in Poland (and probably Europe overall considering they're open for remote positions as well)

Game DevTech Engineer (f/m/d) Job in Gdansk at Intel

Learn more about and apply for the [[JOB TITLE]] job in Gdansk at Intel here.

jobs.intel.com

 

[Tup3x]

Large boosts in many games:

Intel's latest GPU drivers bring 5% to 119% FPS boost in a new set of popular DirectX11 games - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc GPU drivers improve more DX11 game experience While the Arc Alchemist architecture has already demonstrated good performance in contemporary DX12 titles, the older DX11 and DX9 titles that still enjoy popularity had to patiently await Intel’s optimizations. In August, Intel unveiled a...

videocardz.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I like how this is going. Have the drivers squared away for the majority of titles younger gamers care about by the holidays. Combine that with attractive pricing and convincing some major reviewers to do another revisit of ARC. It could result in a strong Holiday push.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I like how this is going. Have the drivers squared away for the majority of titles younger gamers care about by the holidays. Combine that with attractive pricing and convincing some major reviewers to do another revisit of ARC. It could result in a strong Holiday push.

Intel is going to be releasing their A580 card that is in between the A380 and A750 but much closer to the A750 in performance. It would be nice to see the ARC refresh that would bring the 5nm process to the Alchemist cards. That would moderately increase performance and bring power consumption more inline with AMD and Nvidia. The Alchemist refresh was in the Intel roadmap. Then Battlemage.

People should remember that the Arc cards were more than a year late and they were targeted at the RDNA 2 and Nvidia 30 series cards. I know it was said by industry insiders that the A770 was equal to a 3070 if not better. The A750 had low expectations with a target of the 3060. The A750 has far exceeded their target while the A770 leaves a lot to be desired performance wise. With each driver update the A750 gets better and the A770 seems to stay the same.

 

[mikk]

Here is the deep dive replay with Tom Petersen for the Xe LPG in Meteor Lake:

Intel Tech Tour 2023-Metero Lake GFX Deep Dive Replay

Intel Tech Tour: Malaysia + Meteor Lake Tech Day Replay from August 21-25, 2023

www.intel.com

 

[NTMBK]

Intel Launches Arc A580: A $179 Graphics Card for 1080p Gaming

www.anandtech.com

Intel's Arc A580 is based on the Alchemist ACM-G10 graphics processor with 3072 stream processors and that is paired with 8 GB of memory using a 256-bit interface. While the the cut-down GPU has fewer SPs than its higher-performing counterparts, it retains all of the features that the Alchemist architecture has to offer, including world-class media playback capabilities, including hardware accelerated decoding and encoding in AV1, H.264, and H.265 formats.

I'm kind of surprised they're launching it this long after the 700 series cards! I guess they have enough dud GPUs stockpiled now?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm kind of surprised they're launching it this long after the 700 series cards! I guess they have enough dud GPUs stockpiled now?

Maybe they have plans to discontinue A750/AA770 first, at the higher end, because that's where Battlemage will debut at on the market.

 

[Tigerick]

We finally got specs of upcoming Battlemage GPU:-

Flagship Arc Battlemage specifications leak with reduced clock speed, 75% more shaders vs Arc A770 and increased die size than previously rumored

Specifications for the flagship Intel Arc Battlemage GPU have leaked online revealing updated clock speed, die size, and performance vs past rumors. Per the latest report, the Arc Battlemage flagship is expected to pack 7,168 shaders and have a die size bigger than the RTX 4080.

www.notebookcheck.net

Based on TF figures, the performance of Battlemage should be between 7800XT and 4070Ti, but we have to wait for real world results. Anyhow, some figures below:

7800XT < Battlemage < RTX4070Ti
TF: 37.32 < 40.1 < 40.09
Die Size: 346 < 406 < 294

Man, die size of AD104 is really small compared to others yet is the most expensive GPU. SRP should be around $500

 

[H433x0n]

We finally got specs of upcoming Battlemage GPU:-

Flagship Arc Battlemage specifications leak with reduced clock speed, 75% more shaders vs Arc A770 and increased die size than previously rumored

Specifications for the flagship Intel Arc Battlemage GPU have leaked online revealing updated clock speed, die size, and performance vs past rumors. Per the latest report, the Arc Battlemage flagship is expected to pack 7,168 shaders and have a die size bigger than the RTX 4080.

www.notebookcheck.net

Based on TF figures, the performance of Battlemage should be between 7800XT and 4070Ti, but we have to wait for real world results. Anyhow, some figures below:

7800XT < Battlemage < RTX4070Ti
TF: 37.32 < 40.1 < 40.09
Die Size: 346 < ~450 < 294

Man, die size of AD104 is really small compared to others yet is the most expensive GPU. SRP should be around $500

Where do you get 450mm2 for die size? It’s rumored to be 406mm2.

I don’t know if Graphically Challenged is credible either. I don’t know if he intended this as a “leak”.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Go Intel for cheaper, hotter, bigger, not very efficient GPUs!

Still better than the nGreedia tax.

 

[Tigerick]

Where do you get 450mm2 for die size? It’s rumored to be 406mm2.

I don’t know if Graphically Challenged is credible either. I don’t know if he intended this as a “leak”.

Estimated, changing to your figure

 

[Kepler_L2]

We finally got specs of upcoming Battlemage GPU:-

Flagship Arc Battlemage specifications leak with reduced clock speed, 75% more shaders vs Arc A770 and increased die size than previously rumored

Specifications for the flagship Intel Arc Battlemage GPU have leaked online revealing updated clock speed, die size, and performance vs past rumors. Per the latest report, the Arc Battlemage flagship is expected to pack 7,168 shaders and have a die size bigger than the RTX 4080.

www.notebookcheck.net

Based on TF figures, the performance of Battlemage should be between 7800XT and 4070Ti, but we have to wait for real world results. Anyhow, some figures below:

7800XT < Battlemage < RTX4070Ti
TF: 37.32 < 40.1 < 40.09
Die Size: 346 < 406 < 294

Man, die size of AD104 is really small compared to others yet is the most expensive GPU. SRP should be around $500

This guy knows absolutely nothing.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Five new Intel Arc Alchemist GPU IDs have been spotted in Linux kernel patches - VideoCardz.com

Additional PCI Device IDs spotted in Linux kernel patches Intel might be adding more SKUs soon. Phoronix was the first to spot five additional IDs in the open-source i915 Direct Rendering Manager driver. These newly added IDs don’t align with the ones associated with the recently released Arc...

videocardz.com

Five new device IDs!!!

Maybe GPU/RAM speed bumps and maybe run a bit cooler.

I think the new SKUs will be:

A780
A760
A590
A390
A320

 

[DrMrLordX]

Five new device IDs!!!

That's curious. How close are we to Battlemage again?

 

[igor_kavinski]

We should get that in 2Q 2024.

 

[DrMrLordX]

We should get that in 2Q 2024.

Kudos to Intel for trying to saturate the market with SKUs then. Wonder what, if anything, that will do to prices moving forward? Intel is taking on a market segment that NV and AMD haven't taken seriously for several years.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Five new device IDs!!!

Can we be certain that these aren't 14th-gen refresh CPU IGPs?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Can we be certain that these aren't 14th-gen refresh CPU IGPs?

The Phoronix guy would have noted that.