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jur

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You need to learn what MSRP is and what Vat is.

B580 250$ MSRP + 23% vat here = 1260 shekels
You can buy RX 7600XT 16GB for 1400 shekels here with same raster as B580 but more vram.

7600XT 87 shekels per GB
B580 105 shekels per GB

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249 usd * 1.22 (vat) / 1.05 (eur / usd) = 290 which does not equal 320
 

DigDog

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This must be country specific cause I can in Australia.


3060: $429


B580: $439

£10-15 difference between a 4-year old 3060 and a brand new B580.
 

blckgrffn

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If those stats are correct. You can see why so many have abandoned PC's altogether. The 6700XT is a Mar. 2021 card. It will be 2025 in less than a month.

lmao, and the last one I bought cost $230. Second hand, yeah, but that was almost two years ago. Sat, Oct 29, 2022, actually. I feel like used 6800's will be ~$200 in a month or two (barring market implosion) and that's going to be a great play.

Nvidia knew what they were doing with the 3070's and 3060Ti. They are not desirable second hand it seems, I am following a few on FB market place and they come in big and just keep lowering the price. Anecdotal.

For folks buying "new only" this is interesting, but there are still old new stock 6750XT's kicking around that flirt with $300.
 

Hans Gruber

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If the B580 isn't broken. Once you get to Below $200 eg. $199 or less. That is the big barrier of entry in the GPU market. The next one is $150 which starts at $149, that one is less important. If you think I am wrong. Look at all the RX470 and RX480 cards AMD sold years ago for less than $199 and below. The RX580 8GB cards were and are still everywhere. Those were in the $160ish to $190 price point. The sub $200 GPU dominates the Steam Survey.

I guess we have to wait for reviews. I will have my calculator ready to run the efficiency numbers of N6 vs. N5.
 
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MrTeal

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Is there supposed to be something more there, or some kind of quantity column? I'm just seeing 4 cards.

If the B580 isn't broken. Once you get to Below $200 eg. $199 or less. That is the big barrier of entry in the GPU market. The next one is $150 which starts at $149, that one is less important. If you think I am wrong. Look at all the RX470 and RX480 cards AMD sold years ago for less than $199 and below. The RX580 8GB cards were and are still everywhere. Those were in the $160ish to $190 price point. The sub $200 GPU dominates the Steam Survey.

I guess we have to wait for reviews. I will have my calculator ready to run the efficiency numbers of N6 vs. N5.
I bought an HD5570 back I believe on Boxing Day 2011 for $30AR for a HTPC. Sure it wasn't much of a beast with 25% of the shaders of a 5870, but it had the same 1GB VRAM as the big cards and you could happily play modern at the time games at medium/low settings. That was an entry level card, even if it had been $50-60 before the MIR. Even adjusting for inflation, the only semi-modern cards you can buy for $100 or less according to pcpartpicker are an RX550 or Arc A310. Even up to $150 the only thing I see new that would be reasonably able to play modern games is a $140 8GB RX580.

There really is no low end anymore, cards basically start at $200 now. We got the $170 3050 6GB this year, which is just about as performant as the 580 or 5500XT that were $220/$200 cards at launch 7 years ago. Yay.
 

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If those stats are correct. You can see why so many have abandoned PC's altogether. The 6700XT is a Mar. 2021 card. It will be 2025 in less than a month.
For stock yes but with the slop we are getting in the name of games if it doesn't have good upscaling it's gonna be bad games studios are making 4090 look like a joke you can't play a game at 4K without DLSS in many new titles 🤣
 

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Is there supposed to be something more there, or some kind of quantity column? I'm just seeing 4 cards.


I bought an HD5570 back I believe on Boxing Day 2011 for $30AR for a HTPC. Sure it wasn't much of a beast with 25% of the shaders of a 5870, but it had the same 1GB VRAM as the big cards and you could happily play modern at the time games at medium/low settings. That was an entry level card, even if it had been $50-60 before the MIR. Even adjusting for inflation, the only semi-modern cards you can buy for $100 or less according to pcpartpicker are an RX550 or Arc A310. Even up to $150 the only thing I see new that would be reasonably able to play modern games is a $140 8GB RX580.

There really is no low end anymore, cards basically start at $200 now. We got the $170 3050 6GB this year, which is just about as performant as the 580 or 5500XT that were $220/$200 cards at launch 7 years ago. Yay.
It was the same when i leaked malaysia shipment for G21(b580). 3-4weeks later there was another shipment to the AIB's. litteraly 1week later intel annouced B580. So i guess CES is battlemage ?
 
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From the looks of this the major improvements of celestial will be PPA LNL iGPU was ~39mm2 N3B and 12 core Xe3(+50% EU) is 54.68 on N3E
 
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Hans Gruber

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Based on Tom's hardware leak. Intel is just releasing B570 and B580 Battlemage GPU's and scrapping the rest. In mid 2025 to late 2025 they will release Celestial with a full set of GPU's. It makes sense.
 
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This reminds me of Polaris, a very solid reasonable product at a good price point. I'd say even better, as lower price in modern "inflation" pricing. I could see this being a lot more successful as well, since lots of budget gamers have been sticking with what they've had due to insane prices and other issues, and games not really needing top end cards unless you're aiming for 4K60+ and/or ray-tracing. Talk of it being a 1080p card, but I'm actually more interested in rendering at 720p and seeing if you can improve overall image quality upscaled to 4K and/or improving framerates to being silky smooth compared to 1080p in modern games. That's a tall ask, but I feel like that could change the market by making people focus on value.
 
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but I'm actually more interested in rendering at 720p and seeing if you can improve overall image quality upscaled to 4K
That is possible and I've seen it with two TVs. LG had an excellent upscaler and I would only need to download a 720p movie to enjoy on it in full 4K but Sony's upscaler on their X900E was pathetic and would give a horrible picture with 720p material. During the time I had the Sony, I literally got tired of downloading content with an average size of 2 GB. Yes, even a single TV show episode had to be roughly 900MB in size to look right on the Sony 4K TV. I ditched it within a year and went back to LG and breathed a sigh of immense relief!

So yes, it should easily be possible to upscale 720p to at least 1440p without noticeable degradation in image quality.
 

ToTTenTranz

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If those stats are correct. You can see why so many have abandoned PC's altogether. The 6700XT is a Mar. 2021 card. It will be 2025 in less than a month.

Xbox is pretty much dead in the sense that their custom hardware is probably gone. With the PS5 Pro, Sony is trying to end the subsidized hardware model.

I think it's way more likely that more people will be coming back to the PC than abandoning it. Especially when we become able to build a cheaper and faster PC than the PS5 Pro (for Europeans that's around what, 3 months from now?).




So we're getting the B780 sooner than H2 2025?
 

DigDog

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i may be imagining this, but did gamers nexus imply that intel gpus benefit from a memory allocation process that requires intel boards/cpu to work? (cant remember the name)
 
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