News Intel GPUs - waiting for B770

[Hans Gruber]

Was it really though?
8GB vs 16GB is currently about $20 on the spot market.
The 16GB 6800 performs better and is way more consistent. Haven't monitored the lowest the 16GB A770 went to in the US, but in Europe it was more than a 6700 XT and not far of a 6800.
So unless the 16GB 6800 is also a loss leader?

I totally agree with you. Vram prices have tanked big time. Even $20 on the spot market for 16GB would cost intel less because they are a major supplier with direct/memory contracts.

You have ask yourself a simple question. If the RX480 had 8GB of vram for $239 retail in July 2016. Why in 2023 are graphics cards still using only 8GB of vram? I think the high end GPU's should have 32GB of vram or more in 2023. They can say the cards do not need that much vram The cost of vram today is inexpensive. High end cards should get a ton of memory.

For reference in 2016 the 4GB RX480 card was $199 and the 8GB version was $239. The difference in price was only $40. As consumers we are getting screwed by GPU manufacturers today.

The question should be why does the Arc A750 not come in a 16GB variant. It's an inexpensive way for Intel to differentiate themselves from the competition.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Didn't some leaked roadmap have Alchemy refresh for Q3/4?

Refreshed Intel Arc Alchemist possibly canned as Arc Battlemage and Celestial reportedly launching in H2 2024 and 2026 respectively

Intel might be preparing to launch a low-end Arc Battlemage in H2 2024 as the top die could have been canceled according to the latest report from Moore’s Law Is Dead. Additionally, the leaker has also divulged some details about the possibly doomed Arc Alchemist refresh as well as some details...

www.notebookcheck.net

If that rumor is to be believed, maybe new SKUs using newer bugfixed steppings and higher clocks?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Was it really though?
8GB vs 16GB is currently about $20 on the spot market.

Operative word in that sentence is currently. Back when Intel paid for the BoM and manufacturing to make the A770 16GB LE, prices on everything were still way more whack due to the pandemic.

I read somewhere back when the cards were launching, that they made about 4 million ARC cards total. Hence the limited edition. I think it is a smart move to instead, let the AIBs keep making the cards. Particularly given the hot mess assembly of the LE cards. I know I don't see myself ever servicing my A750 LE, after watching GNs tear down video. That's a problem for the next owner. Or if it starts having thermal issues before the 3yr warranty is up, it'll be Intel's problem.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Or if it starts having thermal issues before the 3yr warranty is up, it'll be Intel's problem.

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/graphics/Arc-Limited-Warranty.pdf

This Limited Warranty does NOT cover:
• normal wear and tear due to use of the Product;

I do not like that clause. It could be problematic.

Do they mean normal wear and tear OF the product or normal wear and tear to the PC due to use of the product?

 

[Thunder 57]

I totally agree with you. Vram prices have tanked big time. Even $20 on the spot market for 16GB would cost intel less because they are a major supplier with direct/memory contracts.

You have ask yourself a simple question. If the RX480 had 8GB of vram for $239 retail in July 2016. Why in 2023 are graphics cards still using only 8GB of vram? I think the high end GPU's should have 32GB of vram or more in 2023. They can say the cards do not need that much vram The cost of vram today is inexpensive. High end cards should get a ton of memory.

For reference in 2016 the 4GB RX480 card was $199 and the 8GB version was $239. The difference in price was only $40. As consumers we are getting screwed by GPU manufacturers today.

The question should be why does the Arc A750 not come in a 16GB variant. It's an inexpensive way for Intel to differentiate themselves from the competition.

And I got that 8GB RX 480. After dealing with 28nm for so long it was great. You didn't mention it, but the 8GB variant also came with faster memory. If AMD could double the memory and use faster VRAM at that for $40, why is Nvidia charging $100 for double the VRAM? Because they know suckers will pay for it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/graphics/Arc-Limited-Warranty.pdf

I do not like that clause. It could be problematic.

Do they mean normal wear and tear OF the product or normal wear and tear to the PC due to use of the product?

On the few occasions I have dealt with Intel RMAs for myself or clients, the experiences were 10 of 10 excellent. I don't care what that policy says. I have full confidence that if I tell them the card is continuously crashing in games, they will issue an RMA and take care of me. And unlike the miserable RMA from a company like Asus, they won't send back the same unrepaired product or try to charge me to fix it. That's how good my dealings with them have been.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

On the few occasions I have dealt with Intel RMAs for myself or clients, the experiences were 10 of 10 excellent. I don't care what that policy says. I have full confidence that if I tell them the card is continuously crashing in games, they will issue an RMA and take care of me. And unlike the miserable RMA from a company like Asus, they won't send back the same unrepaired product or try to charge me to fix it. That's how good my dealings with them have been.

While I haven’t had to deal with ASUS for an rma, I have to say their cards tend to be loud or quirky or both. I’ve owned two different ASUS cards and each had issues.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

While I haven’t had to deal with ASUS for an rma, I have to say their cards tend to be loud or quirky or both. I’ve owned two different ASUS cards and each had issues.

offtopic, but my Strix GTX 1080 is a legend. Everything about it says flagship product. My son has been using the Asus dual 3060 12GB for 2yrs now, and it is winner chicken dinner. My TUF Gaming X570 is a legend too. In fact, almost every Asus product I have used for the last 10yrs has been excellent. The exception being a TUF Gaming B450 board, that thing looked great but was fussy about ram. Thank the spaghetti monster for my good luck. Better to drop off bad Asus gear at Best Buy for recycling, rather than to deal with their RMA.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I should have given @VirtualLarry a shout out, he sent me the Strix 😍

I now declare myself Papa Smurf, leader of team blue! I you🫵want to join team blue and score points with Smurfette, the ASRock Challenger A750 open box is $199.99 at Newegg right now. It enjoys the full no hassle 30 day return policy the last buyer used for it. They probably just wanted to try it out. Or it was some goofy goober that didn't understand what they were buying.

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a750-a750-cld-8go/p/N82E16814930078R

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I should have given @VirtualLarry a shout out, he sent me the Strix 😍

I now declare myself Papa Smurf, leader of team blue! I you🫵want to join team blue and score points with Smurfette, the ASRock Challenger A750 open box is $199.99 at Newegg right now. It enjoys the full no hassle 30 day return policy the last buyer used for it. They probably just wanted to try it out. Or it was some goofy goober that didn't understand what they were buying.

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a750-a750-cld-8go/p/N82E16814930078R

So tempting just not enough of an upgrade for me. I am confident I will be joining team blue in the future.
U;timately I would like to get to at least 2K for a monitor and something that can play games at a decent frame rate without emptying my bank account.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

So tempting just not enough of an upgrade for me. I am confident I will be joining team blue in the future.
U;timately I would like to get to at least 2K for a monitor and something that can play games at a decent frame rate without emptying my bank account.

No one can stop you from dreaming The Acer BiFrost is your best bet. It is only a few weeks until Prime Day and Newegg's Fantastech sales. I'd say start pumping yourself up now, and be prepared to live off of ramen if necessary, so you can pull the trigger if it hits $300 or less. 🤟

The 16GB A770 strongest suit is at 1440p BTW.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I also just want to throw out the release date of the 4060. June 29th. On the release of the 4060ti and 7600, Intel sold the A750 for $199. When will Intel start swinging big with the A770 pricing?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I also just want to throw out the release date of the 4060. June 29th. On the release of the 4060ti and 7600, Intel sold the A750 for $199. When will Intel start swinging big with the A770 pricing?

Here in the U.S. that's not really up to Intel anymore is it? The LE stock looks to be sold out. Acer is the only vendor here I see selling the 16GB version.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Here in the U.S. that's not really up to Intel anymore is it? The LE stock looks to be sold out. Acer is the only vendor here I see selling the 16GB version.

I understand that Intel is done with their Limited Edition run of cards. They have vendors lined up who will manufacture their GPU's moving forward. Why not add a Arc A750 sku to the lineup with 16gb of vram? That would be a compelling reason for people to buy an ARC GPU.

For years the 1060 was the gamers choice on the Steam hardware survey. I cannot see any reason why the current ARC lineup could not make a run at the gamers choice for GPU's. Remember, most gamers are not running 4080 or 7900xtx cards. Even the 6800xt is out of the question for the mainstream gamer.

The A770 was said to be 15-20% more performance than the A750. It has not turned out that way. I think people think an A770 is an A750 with 8GB more vram. They are not the same GPU. The A750 is overperforming and the A770 is underperforming.

I want to point out the 3060 has 12GB of vram not because Nvidia wanted to create a 12GB card. It was because of the way the card was setup. It would have cost Nvidia more to make a 6GB 3060 than a 12GB 3060.

 

[DeathReborn]

And I got that 8GB RX 480. After dealing with 28nm for so long it was great. You didn't mention it, but the 8GB variant also came with faster memory. If AMD could double the memory and use faster VRAM at that for $40, why is Nvidia charging $100 for double the VRAM? Because they know suckers will pay for it.

AMD added 4GB for $40, Nvidia is adding 8GB for $80 + $20 Nvidia Tax, ergo $100. 👍Math👍

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No one can stop you from dreaming The Acer BiFrost is your best bet. It is only a few weeks until Prime Day and Newegg's Fantastech sales. I'd say start pumping yourself up now, and be prepared to live off of ramen if necessary, so you can pull the trigger if it hits $300 or less. 🤟

The 16GB A770 strongest suit is at 1440p BTW.

Current plan is get monitor first because to my understanding a 1660ti is capable of 2k gaming at medium to low settings and I am okay with that.
Part two: wait for Battle Mage….
I’d love to go 4k just those monitor sizes….I sit rather close to the monitor.

 

[aigomorla]

AMD added 4GB for $40, Nvidia is adding 8GB for $80 + $20 Nvidia Tax, ergo $100. 👍Math👍

I guess Jensen's "The more you buy the more you save" doesn't apply to GDDR.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Look at what Intel's been cooking in its secret subterranean labs! https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...s/news/gpu-research-generative-ai-update.html

We’re excited to keep pushing these efforts for more efficiency in a talk in Advances in Real-time Rendering, SIGGRAPH’s most attended course. During this talk, titled Path Tracing a Trillion Triangles, we demonstrate that with efficient algorithms, real-time path tracing requires a much less powerful GPU, and can be practical even on mid-range and integrated GPUs in the future.

Zoinks!!!!

 

[aigomorla]

Im still waiting on the Ark Pro series cards.
Where the hell are they?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Im still waiting on the Ark Pro series cards.
Where the hell are they?

The Sparkle cards are still MIA too.

 

[mikk]

The Sparkle cards are still MIA too.

They are available in Germany at mindfactory.

 

[Hans Gruber]

It would be nice to see EVGA back in the GPU segment. Sparkle has 4 or 5 Arc cards including a water cooled version. They have A750 and A770 cards. Intel really should get aggressive with the A770 pricing.

 

[aigomorla]

It would be nice to see EVGA back in the GPU segment.

I don't think they are gonna last much longer, unless the owner decides to sell.
I think they lost about half the team, and most of the Taiwan operation.

It would be cool if they did start making Arc Gpu's but eVGA is more into extreme segement, and Arc is not something you'd use to break world records.

Intel really should get aggressive with the A770 pricing.

sigh... i bet they would sell way more Arc Pro's.
Super Quicksync is a godsend when your encoding, or doing content creation.
And at the price of less then half what a A2000 would cost, with more GDDR, i can't think of many who wouldn't gobble that card in a heart beat.

 

[gdansk]

The Sparkle cards are still MIA too.

Now available on Newegg too

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[aigomorla]

Now available on Newegg too

Sparkle Computer Co., Ltd. GPUs / Video Graphics Cards - Newegg.com

Shop Newegg for fast and FREE shipping on Sparkle Computer Co., Ltd. GPUs / Video Graphics Cards with the best prices and award-winning customer service.

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lmao..

The names....

Titan / Orc / Elf.

They should of went... Ogre / Orc / Goblin instead.