Intel has been dubbed EVIL

[Nemesis 1]

Right now your right. But @ 32nm whats advantage . . Than consider If 2q slaps 4q around. Intel always has that 2x advantage. in silicon without considering performance.

Thats will be intels biggest advantage in history . Thats why I would embarress the EU by letting them set the price. OF 2 core nehalem . It is embarrassing to.

AMD never kicked P4 around like C2D did AMD 64. X2

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Look if anything Intel has always had the silly advantage its always been a 2x advantage . Except when AMD catches up than its the same thing ever time.


Intel makes money because they always have a 2x silly advantage. Until nehalem 2 core. If intels top 2 core beats AMDs top 4 core its a 4x silly advantage. AMD couldn't compete at 2x disadvantage . Intel had 300 wafers way befor AMD. There advantage in pricing was huge. Had Intel not had AMD there to Low price with . Intel would be introuble now for saling at high pricies at the time.

Intel has always had this advantage. This is AMDS problems . Not intel marketing.

Your logic is lacking. It would be akin to someone accused of insider trading saying, I didn't do it because I'm already rich. One's motive for a crime only goes so far. Where motive ends, evidence begins.

You and Intel are going to have to do better.

 

[2March]

Originally posted by: taltamir
capitalistic countries are the LEAST polluting, the LEAST abusive of workers, the LEAST oppressive...
The issue is that humans are selfish, capitalism uses selfishness in an intelligent manner. Communism and socialism pretends it doesn't exist and allows it to run rampant and cause even more harm.

OK...

So we (the European communists) polute more than the US does....

 

[William Gaatjes]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
History listen time . NAme 1 good humantarian Idea. That come from the West . not including Greece. Good luck . Name one Good Honest European Ruler threw History . Maybe 2 . 1 for sure.

Durring WWI& WWII The English Lord Rothschild Financiad both Sides. If you or I did this its called treason . But Bankers are allowerd to do this . Excuse me! This is WRONG. But EU and rest of World Governments agree its OK. NO its NOT . NO ONE has Authority over another. TO change Whats right or wrong based on your standing in community . Pure BS .

More European BS. IS the neutral Swiss. In times of War . The rich deposit their richies so as not to lose. Both sides Honor this agreement . But that only because Both sides the RICH run the Show . No matter what label is on the can the contents is still worms. When ya fight a war . Spoils go to Victory . Its not some game were rules are inplace . Pure BS.

World talks about terrorism . Yet in wars we bomb civilians (women/Children) WE(USA) well even use mass destruction weapons(Japan) . The only rules inplace are inplace to protect world leaders and the Rich. That Authority is coming to an end . No man has authority over me. None! I do as I please . I not bad person so I don't do what law calls wrong. ALot. But law doesn't tell me what I can or cann't do . No man or government has the right to make my GOD given CHOICIES for ME. People may argue about who what Christ was . I can tell ya . It doesn't matter. The Gosphels is whats matters its was the WORD. THe WORD SAID : Make laws not or you shall be bound by them. Other than what I have given you. So very true . Everytime Law is created Choice is removed.

No man can Make me Bow to authority of government . I will willing die first . Its funny the lowest among us are runningthe world . But many now see trueth . No matter what happens its going to be good . I will stand against Authority . Probably die. But I die I free man with my choicies . Europe is the scum of world . Look at its History . There all thievies. The most Honest country in the WORLD is Afghanastan. Its a country of criminals and they admit it. The rest of world should be so selfaware. You can NOT point to MANs AUTHORITY and SAy this is Justic , Because its pure Evil Lie . Its is the excercise of removing GOD given Choice. Law other than living word is pure evil as it removes choice an afront to God and MAN . This is argument you cann't win . As its foundation is trueth and its wisdom pure. LAW removes CHOICE. WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CHOICIES. Can't be made for Us. If you follow there Lies. You can never achieve enlightenment.

That's all well and good Nemesis until your neighbor claims the same and then proceeds to shoot you dead, steal your horses, and take liberties with your woman.

Laws aren't created for you, they are created to protect you from your neighbor. To give you recourse when your neighbor decides they too are above any man's law but they aren't as nice a person as you.

What do you think driving on our interstate highways would be like if there were no laws regarding which side of the road you can expect people to drive on? Or headlights at night, or the speeds, etc. And no drinking before driving, etc.

Laws don't tell us how to behave, they set expectation of how we can reasonably presume the world around us will behave at a minimum.

I like knowing that I can go to a bar and the odds are good that I won't be shot dead in the back over a game of poker. Its still possible, but not as probable as it was 100yrs ago. The law sets the expectation, it is still up to the people to decide whether or not they will perform to expectation. It serves a purpose.

You can talk the talk but I doubt very much you'd survive more than a few days in the lawless anarchy world you espouse.

Thjats all well in Good . But don't forget We have God given laws. Even tho were really not allowed to pass judgement. We can remove such people from our communities. So they can't Stay it . Than they Are Given CHOICE to stay away or instant Death if they choose to come back . NO judge no jury. Just choice and Living within community or out of it. It really is that simple . Gods laws are not etched on stone tablets. They are etched into your mind heart and spirit. You choose whether to do right from wrong. Mans laws only serve to make gray. When there is infact NO Gray. It Black and White . No in between. The WOrd again said of luke warm water. I spit it out because its neither Cold or Hot. The Word Actually Says BLack Is > than Gray . White is > than Gray. Gray is PURE EVIL. Designed to mislead. Black / White is simple . Gray is were problem is. Gray is Man removing choice. Don't believe because man law has No authority . That there is NO authority . That Authority rest in each and every one of us. But we have to make CHOICE! To achieve enlightenment . their is no other way. There are no short cuts. You have to become aware of your own Authority that GOD gave you. No man can take that from you that is not evil.

Your god is dead.

Can we please get back to the topic instead of insane anarchy rants ?

If each business chose to act irresponsibly - like intel; and each person lived like the poster i am addressing suggests, then civilization is indeed over.

The human animal has demonstrated they are unable to live without laws. They are clearly not in touch with any reality nevemind any built-in instincts of "fairness" - except survival and reproduction. What distinguishes humans from animals is their willingness to live in a society and to protect the weak.

Predators like intel's senior board eat the weak and harm all of us by their schemes

What distinguishes humans from animals is their willingness to live in a society and to protect the weak.

Altruistic behaviour is not something unique for the human race. Every mammal and even reptiles show altruistic behaviour. I agree that with reptiles it is more a preprogrammed nursing behaviour that are only exhibited with reptile females. But most mammals have shown to take care of weaker animals and these animals do not have to be of the same species. Altruistic behaviour is found everywhere. Even in it's rudimentary form , when looking at insects like for example ants and bee's...

We humans have created a sociëty where we benefit from this altruisitic behaviour. And that is the way to go. There is where the enlightment comes from. We do not have be hunter/gatherers anymore using time to modify our brains to think about life and how to live it. When there is no benefit from altruistic behaviour, greed and therefore savage behaviour take over. We can see that when wars start. Every society will come to it's knees because sooner or later the social aspect is deemed to be to time consuming and therefore costs money. That is when the downfall start...

It's history repeating itself. Karma receives as karma does...

 

[2March]

Originally posted by: hooflung
At the same time, nothing forces you to have stock in a company that anyone to this very day is known to deal with the other companies in the market. Intel needs partners because if they entered in other markets they'd be slapped with all sorts of fines. What intel did was basically treat other companies as subsidiaries through fear of how much they would allow industry margins to grow or shrink.

As a stockholder, you should know this. If you don't care then get in where you fit in. If you do care then don't complain when your company is caught for the monster it is.

I'm not sure if you were replying to my post here.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: William Gaatjes

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
History listen time . NAme 1 good humantarian Idea. That come from the West . not including Greece. Good luck . Name one Good Honest European Ruler threw History . Maybe 2 . 1 for sure.

Durring WWI& WWII The English Lord Rothschild Financiad both Sides. If you or I did this its called treason . But Bankers are allowerd to do this . Excuse me! This is WRONG. But EU and rest of World Governments agree its OK. NO its NOT . NO ONE has Authority over another. TO change Whats right or wrong based on your standing in community . Pure BS .

More European BS. IS the neutral Swiss. In times of War . The rich deposit their richies so as not to lose. Both sides Honor this agreement . But that only because Both sides the RICH run the Show . No matter what label is on the can the contents is still worms. When ya fight a war . Spoils go to Victory . Its not some game were rules are inplace . Pure BS.

World talks about terrorism . Yet in wars we bomb civilians (women/Children) WE(USA) well even use mass destruction weapons(Japan) . The only rules inplace are inplace to protect world leaders and the Rich. That Authority is coming to an end . No man has authority over me. None! I do as I please . I not bad person so I don't do what law calls wrong. ALot. But law doesn't tell me what I can or cann't do . No man or government has the right to make my GOD given CHOICIES for ME. People may argue about who what Christ was . I can tell ya . It doesn't matter. The Gosphels is whats matters its was the WORD. THe WORD SAID : Make laws not or you shall be bound by them. Other than what I have given you. So very true . Everytime Law is created Choice is removed.

No man can Make me Bow to authority of government . I will willing die first . Its funny the lowest among us are runningthe world . But many now see trueth . No matter what happens its going to be good . I will stand against Authority . Probably die. But I die I free man with my choicies . Europe is the scum of world . Look at its History . There all thievies. The most Honest country in the WORLD is Afghanastan. Its a country of criminals and they admit it. The rest of world should be so selfaware. You can NOT point to MANs AUTHORITY and SAy this is Justic , Because its pure Evil Lie . Its is the excercise of removing GOD given Choice. Law other than living word is pure evil as it removes choice an afront to God and MAN . This is argument you cann't win . As its foundation is trueth and its wisdom pure. LAW removes CHOICE. WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CHOICIES. Can't be made for Us. If you follow there Lies. You can never achieve enlightenment.

That's all well and good Nemesis until your neighbor claims the same and then proceeds to shoot you dead, steal your horses, and take liberties with your woman.

Laws aren't created for you, they are created to protect you from your neighbor. To give you recourse when your neighbor decides they too are above any man's law but they aren't as nice a person as you.

What do you think driving on our interstate highways would be like if there were no laws regarding which side of the road you can expect people to drive on? Or headlights at night, or the speeds, etc. And no drinking before driving, etc.

Laws don't tell us how to behave, they set expectation of how we can reasonably presume the world around us will behave at a minimum.

I like knowing that I can go to a bar and the odds are good that I won't be shot dead in the back over a game of poker. Its still possible, but not as probable as it was 100yrs ago. The law sets the expectation, it is still up to the people to decide whether or not they will perform to expectation. It serves a purpose.

You can talk the talk but I doubt very much you'd survive more than a few days in the lawless anarchy world you espouse.

Thjats all well in Good . But don't forget We have God given laws. Even tho were really not allowed to pass judgement. We can remove such people from our communities. So they can't Stay it . Than they Are Given CHOICE to stay away or instant Death if they choose to come back . NO judge no jury. Just choice and Living within community or out of it. It really is that simple . Gods laws are not etched on stone tablets. They are etched into your mind heart and spirit. You choose whether to do right from wrong. Mans laws only serve to make gray. When there is infact NO Gray. It Black and White . No in between. The WOrd again said of luke warm water. I spit it out because its neither Cold or Hot. The Word Actually Says BLack Is > than Gray . White is > than Gray. Gray is PURE EVIL. Designed to mislead. Black / White is simple . Gray is were problem is. Gray is Man removing choice. Don't believe because man law has No authority . That there is NO authority . That Authority rest in each and every one of us. But we have to make CHOICE! To achieve enlightenment . their is no other way. There are no short cuts. You have to become aware of your own Authority that GOD gave you. No man can take that from you that is not evil.

Your god is dead.

Can we please get back to the topic instead of insane anarchy rants ?

If each business chose to act irresponsibly - like intel; and each person lived like the poster i am addressing suggests, then civilization is indeed over.

The human animal has demonstrated they are unable to live without laws. They are clearly not in touch with any reality nevemind any built-in instincts of "fairness" - except survival and reproduction. What distinguishes humans from animals is their willingness to live in a society and to protect the weak.

Predators like intel's senior board eat the weak and harm all of us by their schemes

What distinguishes humans from animals is their willingness to live in a society and to protect the weak.

Altruistic behaviour is not something unique for the human race. Every mammal and even reptiles show altruistic behaviour. I agree that with reptiles it is more a preprogrammed nursing behaviour that are only exhibited with reptile females. But most mammals have shown to take care of weaker animals and these animals do not have to be of the same species. Altruistic behaviour is found everywhere. Even in it's rudimentary form , when looking at insects like for example ants and bee's...

We humans have created a sociëty where we benefit from this altruisitic behaviour. And that is the way to go. There is where the enlightment comes from. We do not have be hunter/gatherers anymore using time to modify our brains to think about life and how to live it. When there is no benefit from altruistic behaviour, greed and therefore savage behaviour take over. We can see that when wars start. Every society will come to it's knees because sooner or later the social aspect is deemed to be to time consuming and therefore costs money. That is when the downfall start...

It's history repeating itself. Karma receives as karma does...

thanks for the agreement and the confirmation about Humans

intel was/is out of order

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: taltamir
who is that magical THEY, you specifically said that the purpose of the law is to DETER future crime by punishing the criminals, i point out that they are punishing someone else, and now you are saying that if "they" didn't want someone else to be punished then they shouldn't incorporate?
No, the law is supposed to punish the CRIMINALS to deter future crime, not punish random unrelated individuals "just because"

or are they the higher ups in intel? oh wonderful, because of a choice the supposed criminals do they get off the hook? Can I incorporate a heroin cartel then?

My point was that the criminal is the company, not the people who did the actions based on the law. The company needs to pay the penalty, because that is the way the company is set up. If the company wants to hold individuals responsible for their actions, they cannot incorporate.

You can incorporate a heroin cartel, but if you get caught, you will still go to jail; but your company will pay any fines if there are any civil suits against it.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: 2March

Originally posted by: taltamir
capitalistic countries are the LEAST polluting, the LEAST abusive of workers, the LEAST oppressive...
The issue is that humans are selfish, capitalism uses selfishness in an intelligent manner. Communism and socialism pretends it doesn't exist and allows it to run rampant and cause even more harm.

OK...

So we (the European communists) polute more than the US does....

the europeans are slightly more socialist capitalists, but yes they pollute more than the USA, and are CERTAINLY more abusive... heck britain just banned all forms of "fetish" (any sex act not approved by the state), and self defense is practically illegal there too... germany had that debacle when they legalized prostitution and as a result women were contacted via their welfare... but due to 3 refusals to work and you are out rules women were given a choice, become a whore or lose your benefits. Privacy in those countries is also long gone...

But both EU and USA are way more free and less polluting than china and russia.

You want socialism, look at china and russia (there was never a communist country, there were only socialist countries that wanted to be communist eventually. socialism is a "trasition state between capitalism and communism")

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: taltamir
who is that magical THEY, you specifically said that the purpose of the law is to DETER future crime by punishing the criminals, i point out that they are punishing someone else, and now you are saying that if "they" didn't want someone else to be punished then they shouldn't incorporate?
No, the law is supposed to punish the CRIMINALS to deter future crime, not punish random unrelated individuals "just because"

or are they the higher ups in intel? oh wonderful, because of a choice the supposed criminals do they get off the hook? Can I incorporate a heroin cartel then?

My point was that the criminal is the company, not the people who did the actions based on the law. The company needs to pay the penalty, because that is the way the company is set up. If the company wants to hold individuals responsible for their actions, they cannot incorporate.

You can incorporate a heroin cartel, but if you get caught, you will still go to jail; but your company will pay any fines if there are any civil suits against it.

that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Everthing intel is accused of may have taken place I don't care . In the end AMD did not have capicity to compete. Intel should just pay fine . BUt at same time announce to the world that they well allow the EU to set price of its 2 core nehalem Cpus in the EU .

If the EU. Set price higher than AMD 4 core . Intel can show public how Intels 2 core is @x cheaper to produce yet EU sets pricies above 4 core AMD. This will show EU is screwing public and slowing innovation .

Its A trap intel should spring. Even a retard would understand the trueth than . If EU set 2 core Nehalem below AMD 4 core price it would destroy AMD.

Intel has a way out of this . Just let EU set price of 2core nehalem in the EU. No matter what the EU does the lie will be exposed . Its a trap that the EU can't escape . Intel wins no matter what EU sets price at . EU made a mistake. They piblicly said Intel hurt EU connsuners. So intel can legeally resort to this as EU made aqusations .

To prove innocents Intel simply has to let 2core nehalem EU price be set by the EU .

Intel can be very public about this . Saying Its better they allow the EU set the price than to have AMD /EU make new charges of unfair pricing practicies later . The public would eat this up . It would put AMD/EU between ROCK and hardplace. Fact is Intel should make this a very public issue.

If EU sets price to high . Above 4 core amd . Public will see intels point about cost to produce. If EU sets price = Public still sees Intel is correct . If EU goes below 4 core AMD price . Intel loosies margins . Only on 2 core model. But AMD loses market share big time . We all KNOW that the EU would never set the price below = or less performing AMD 4 cores . INTEL wins in the PUBLIC EYE bigtime . A complete defeat for the EU and its twisted view of real world.

Intel The EU told you to STOP breaking LAW . BY all means obey . But use it to your advantage, Force the EU to set price of 2 core Nehalem . Saying in this manner . AMD /EU can't make a future case against us . So in the interest of self preservation We want the EU to set the price. But at same time intel should give a price they want to sell at in EU. That would damage AMD but with 2x silly advantage would kill AMD .

Intel the EU hurt ya . Turn this thing around on them . You have the tech . Ya have the 2core clarky clown CPU. Make EU set price . After you state what price you want them at below 4 core AMD. Don't consider performance. Only cost per die. Than spring the trap the world will laugh at. It will be the greatest publicity stunt in history . Were the accusedd can turn arounf and show the Accusser to be completely bias lying organization . Show the real reason AMD can't compete.

Its simple , It will show the trueth . No matter what price EU sets price its Intel Win in public eyes . and a black eye for AMD/EU.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I just reread all of Martimus's posts. Please be more specific because I see no contradiction in the posts.

Could this be a confusion technique? Say something without saying something to muddy the waters?

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I disagree with you. If you are going to hire someone to handle parts of your business, you need to hold them to the fire if they mess up.

I sincerely doubt these practices were the result of a few rogue individuals, as none of these practices would help an individual, but instead the corporation as a whole; as all of them are for long term gains at the expense of short term loss of profits. This whole argument that the people who did this are gone, so the current management shouldn't be punished just doesn't hold water with me; as the current management is able to reap the rewards of the previous managements efforts (Intel has managed to gain back all of the market share it lost before these actions took place). They are only just now also reaping the consequences, but that is what happens when you break the law and harm someone willing to fight back in the process.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
(buncho random spew)

To prove innocents Intel simply has to let 2core nehalem EU price be set by the EU .

(buncho random spew)

Its simple , It will show the trueth . No matter what price EU sets price its Intel Win in public eyes . and a black eye for AMD/EU.

You can't prove a case on future actions, only past transgressions. It's like saying I didn't shoot someone because I don't have a gun now.

The best way for Intel to prove its case is to find all the lost emails requested in the US discovery case.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I just reread all of Martimus's posts. Please be more specific because I see no contradiction in the posts.

Could this be a confusion technique? Say something without saying something to muddy the waters?

no it is not a confusion technique
it is because he said that the point of fining intel is to DETER future crimes. Yet you are fining INTEL and not the people who comitted the crime a DECADE ago who got their bonuses and LEFT THE COMPANY. the CEO at the time got large amounts of money from intel's success, but he is GONE. fining it now might hurt the current CEO and decision makers, but the ones who should be fined are the ones who commited the crime IF your intention is to deter future crime as he said.
yet now he keeps on pretending that the fining intel and not the criminals will somehow deter crime. Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I just reread all of Martimus's posts. Please be more specific because I see no contradiction in the posts.

Could this be a confusion technique? Say something without saying something to muddy the waters?

no it is not a confusion technique
it is because he said that the point of fining intel is to DETER future crimes. Yet you are fining INTEL and not the people who comitted the crime a DECADE ago who got their bonuses and LEFT THE COMPANY. the CEO at the time got large amounts of money from intel's success, but he is GONE. fining it now might hurt the current CEO and decision makers, but the ones who should be fined are the ones who commited the crime IF your intention is to deter future crime as he said.
yet now he keeps on pretending that the fining intel and not the criminals will somehow deter crime. Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

I honestly believe that you misread what I wrote. I do not believe the things that you think I believe, and I have no interest in arguing with you on this subject any further.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: taltamir
no it is not a confusion technique
it is because he said that the point of fining intel is to DETER future crimes. Yet you are fining INTEL and not the people who comitted the crime a DECADE ago who got their bonuses and LEFT THE COMPANY. the CEO at the time got large amounts of money from intel's success, but he is GONE. fining it now might hurt the current CEO and decision makers, but the ones who should be fined are the ones who commited the crime IF your intention is to deter future crime as he said.

You cannot separate the actors from the actions from the company. Martimus never said anywhere that this separation could be made. You're seriously putting words in his mouth. I'll let him defend his own position.

Everything that has been done at Intel from day one, both benefit and hindrance, make it what it is today. By that logic, you should only give credit to the engineers that create the technology, not the support system that makes it all possible.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: taltamir
Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

Since Martimus is done with you.

That is what it means to be incorporated by definition. It protects the individuals from the company not the company from the individuals.

About the heroin example. I believe it was meant to provide you with an example where the breaking of law was clear. If the company was incorporated the civil responsibilities, separate from the legal responsibilities, affect the company as a whole.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
(buncho random spew)

To prove innocents Intel simply has to let 2core nehalem EU price be set by the EU .

(buncho random spew)

Its simple , It will show the trueth . No matter what price EU sets price its Intel Win in public eyes . and a black eye for AMD/EU.

You can't prove a case on future actions, only past transgressions. It's like saying I didn't shoot someone because I don't have a gun now.

The best way for Intel to prove its case is to find all the lost emails requested in the US discovery case.

Intel has always had the silly advantage . All intel has to do is make public understand . The money is gone. Now intel has oppertunity to turn that lost money into great publicity campaign. Intel simple has to show the differance in silly size cost. Actually something any 7 year old can grasp . Intel simply needs to show the advantage they always enjoyed silly wise . Its just a 2core nehalem beating 4core AMd would add this to the statement !!!!! ys see . Intel LOST but they can take advntage of this in a hugh way . I hope they smart enough to understand this . Intel lost . Now they need to win public back . By forcing EU hand at setting price over later fears of unfair practicies. If intel sets the price . I don't know if World would buy into . BUT the USA would. Intel has a window here . USE it Intel. Intel has to make public understand AMD choose a more expensive silly. Intel has let public KNOW AMD pays Intel for every CPU it sells for Intels tech.

Intel needs to wake public up to Intel/AMD relationship. Its like being stuck in a bad marriage. With bothsides twisting facts.

 

[GaiaHunter]

You know why Intel wont pull out of Europe Nemesis?

Because AMD exists.

If AMD didn't exist, then, yes, Intel could slap Europe for annoying them, or US for annoying them, until US or EU or any country (or any courageous politician) with the balls and guns would just go and send a black ops team to provide to the "decapitation" off Intel "heads".

That is really messy, time consuming and uncivilized.

That is why you try to avoid companies to be on the verge of that thought with anti-monopoly laws.

As it is, common folk already have to few power (read money) to press their concerns and that is why politicians seems to be out of touch with reality.

AMD can sell their CPUs at a loss to try to get market share. Intel can't.

Unfair?

Well Intel can provide all the cpus the world needs, AMD can't.

That is the difference.

And tranzi though is everywhere, and growing in the US too, and if you think you would be better with the Russia or China or the Arabian countries in the power you are mistaken.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
(buncho random spew)

To prove innocents Intel simply has to let 2core nehalem EU price be set by the EU .

(buncho random spew)

Its simple , It will show the trueth . No matter what price EU sets price its Intel Win in public eyes . and a black eye for AMD/EU.

You can't prove a case on future actions, only past transgressions. It's like saying I didn't shoot someone because I don't have a gun now.

The best way for Intel to prove its case is to find all the lost emails requested in the US discovery case.

Intel has always had the silly advantage . All intel has to do is make public understand . The money is gone. Now intel has oppertunity to turn that lost money into great publicity campaign. Intel simple has to show the differance in silly size cost. Actually something any 7 year old can grasp . Intel simply needs to show the advantage they always enjoyed silly wise . Its just a 2core nehalem beating 4core AMd would add this to the statement !!!!! ys see . Intel LOST but they can take advntage of this in a hugh way . I hope they smart enough to understand this . Intel lost . Now they need to win public back . By forcing EU hand at setting price over later fears of unfair practicies. If intel sets the price . I don't know if World would buy into . BUT the USA would. Intel has a window here . USE it Intel.

Me - talk about the case.

You - talk about marketing, technology, irrelevant forecasts, illogical legal arguments etc.

Me - none of the above has anything to do with this topic, you can't make that legal argument, etc

repeat until frustrated.

repeat until frustrated.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Has everthing to do with topic . Everthing I have said is true how can it not be on topic. The only part isn't true is weather intel uses this to its advantage or not. They have the right the EU called them out . Intel needs to call them out . Let EU set price. You don't like this because you know what I say is true. It would show something is real wrong in EU statements. FACT!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
You know why Intel wont pull out of Europe Nemesis?

Because AMD exists.

If AMD didn't exist, then, yes, Intel could slap Europe for annoying them, or US for annoying them, until US or EU or any country (or any courageous politician) with the balls and guns would just go and send a black ops team to provide to the "decapitation" off Intel "heads".

That is really messy, time consuming and uncivilized.

That is why you try to avoid companies to be on the verge of that thought with anti-monopoly laws.

As it is, common folk already have to few power (read money) to press their concerns and that is why politicians seems to be out of touch with reality.

AMD can sell their CPUs at a loss to try to get market share. Intel can't.

Unfair?

Well Intel can provide all the cpus the world needs, AMD can't.

That is the difference.

And tranzi though is everywhere, and growing in the US too, and if you think you would be better with the Russia or China or the Arabian countries in the power you are mistaken.

From some unoffical statements. Intel is ready to pull out. I thought at first that would be best .

But best would be for intel to do as I stated . Force EU to set 2core nehalem price . Than Afterwards build hugh campaign around EUs statements . Vs what EU set price at for 2x cheaper silly . No matter what EU does . Intel can make this a FALSE statement By EU that All will Understand. Intel has hurt EU consumers and stifold innovation. No matter What price EU sets INTEL wins in public Eye . If EU set price low. Intel Kills AMD market share . If they set price same or higher public will see EUs lie . The only way EUs statement can be TRUE is if the price 2 core nehalem below 4 core AMD which will kill AMD . Intel can't not lose.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Has everthing to do with topic . Everthing I have said is true how can it not be on topic. The only part isn't true is weather intel uses this to its advantage or not. They have the right the EU called them out . Intel needs to call them out . Let EU set price. You don't like this because you know what I say is true. It would show something is real wrong in EU statements. FACT!

Ok assuming it is relevant a few things.

The EU can't set the price for Intel, only Intel can set its price. Regulatory agencies can only fine you when you use (abuse) your pricing power against your competition. (by page 20 of this argument you should understand this)

When talking about forward looking statements TRUE and FACT should not be used. Even if all the evidence points to that conclusion, the final outcome is anything but certain.

Regardless of the above. Do you really think Intel should be throwing its weight around considering they are 0 for 3 in judgments with 2 more cases to go?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Intel can Force EUs hand by purposing a price that would make money for intel but would destroy AMD . All the while making everthing very public. Intel simply has to say we don't know how to price this in EU without further actions by EU . Intel simply needs to appeal to the public . Of course EU won't set price. But Intel can force the issue with this chip . It is an issue, What if Intel priced this chip to make money but sold below current core 2 duals at $%nm . Which it should . ANY arguments. Lets see if Intel does . I am pretty smart guy on this stuff . If Intel doesn't price this cheap right because of repercussions . I may start a class action suite against intel if the price isn't below 45nm core 2 dual . Just to help intel. Get it in to a court of LAW.

 

[bgeh]

Yes except that Intel hasn't done it even when it's had years to do it, no?