Intel has been dubbed EVIL

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Intel can Force EUs hand by purposing a price that would make money for intel but would destroy AMD . All the while making everthing very public. Intel simply has to say we don't know how to price this in EU without further actions by EU . Intel simply needs to appeal to the public . Of course EU won't set price. But Intel can force the issue with this chip . It is an issue, What if Intel priced this chip to make money but sold below current core 2 duals at 45nm . Which it should . ANY arguments. Lets see if Intel does . I am pretty smart guy on this stuff . If Intel doesn't price this cheap right because of repercussions . I may start a class action suite against intel if the price isn't below 45nm core 2 dual . Just to help intel.

No Intel can't. They are already in the spotlight. If they start a predatory pricing structure with the goal to force AMD out of the market, the EU and every other regulatory body will flatten them. Public pricing or not dumping is illegal, especially if the end goal is to eliminate the competition and raise prices later.

Have you learned anything in this thread or issue?

Edit: I can see Intel's lawyers, with hand smacking face, saying "Shut Up Nemesis 1"

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: bgeh
Yes except that Intel hasn't done it even when it's had years to do it, no?

What do ya think this this action was about . If Intel sells at same margins as AMD intel is in trouble with LAW! EU made statements however. Intel can use these statements . I can use this statements In court of law if Intel Overpricies.

Intel has followed a pricing model all threw 65nm 45 nm . NOW comes 32nm . Intel should follow same path. If not its fear of repercussions . That were consumer class action helps intel in this case. Courts will say INTEL your overcharging for that CPU you must lower inline with other node changes. Courts force intel to lower pricies Intel win AMD loses.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Intel can Force EUs hand by purposing a price that would make money for intel but would destroy AMD . All the while making everthing very public. Intel simply has to say we don't know how to price this in EU without further actions by EU . Intel simply needs to appeal to the public . Of course EU won't set price. But Intel can force the issue with this chip . It is an issue, What if Intel priced this chip to make money but sold below current core 2 duals at 45nm . Which it should . ANY arguments. Lets see if Intel does . I am pretty smart guy on this stuff . If Intel doesn't price this cheap right because of repercussions . I may start a class action suite against intel if the price isn't below 45nm core 2 dual . Just to help intel.

No Intel can't. They are already in the spotlight. If they start a predatory pricing structure with the goal to force AMD out of the market, the EU and every other regulatory body will flatten them. Public pricing or not dumping is illegal, especially if the end goal is to eliminate the competition and raise prices later.

Have you learned anything in this thread or issue?

Edit: I can see Intel's lawyers, with hand smacking face, saying "Shut Up Nemesis 1"

What world you live in . A world were the rich. Have fewer rights than if your poor. There is only 1 right 1 wrong. Everthing else is based on mans authority . Man has know authority its an illusion created by power seekers. The only authority is yourself and creation. Any other belief makes you member of the flock of sheep. Your justice awaits you. I can prove this . All threw historu the good humble peace lovers have been slaughtered. To the point were basicly only slim is left . Look around prove differant. That mans Authority at work.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Intel can Force EUs hand by purposing a price that would make money for intel but would destroy AMD . All the while making everthing very public. Intel simply has to say we don't know how to price this in EU without further actions by EU . Intel simply needs to appeal to the public . Of course EU won't set price. But Intel can force the issue with this chip . It is an issue, What if Intel priced this chip to make money but sold below current core 2 duals at 45nm . Which it should . ANY arguments. Lets see if Intel does . I am pretty smart guy on this stuff . If Intel doesn't price this cheap right because of repercussions . I may start a class action suite against intel if the price isn't below 45nm core 2 dual . Just to help intel.

No Intel can't. They are already in the spotlight. If they start a predatory pricing structure with the goal to force AMD out of the market, the EU and every other regulatory body will flatten them. Public pricing or not dumping is illegal, especially if the end goal is to eliminate the competition and raise prices later.

Have you learned anything in this thread or issue?

Edit: I can see Intel's lawyers, with hand smacking face, saying "Shut Up Nemesis 1"

What world you live in . A world were the rich. Have fewer rights than if your poor. There is only 1 right 1 wrong. Everthing else is based on mans authority . Man has know authority its an illusion created by power seekers. The only authority is yourself and creation. Any other belief makes you member of the flock of sheep. Your justice awaits you.

What kind of dogma is that? It's almost threatening in a strange way.

BTW my game machine is a Intel Quad Core and my everyday machine is an AMD. I'm anything but a fanboy. I understand the system, market and judgment. I'll stick the the facts and leave the religious inspired rants to you.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Who knows maybe I am THE ONE. The ONE is the guy that these freaks the templers and illuminoty fear. He is the one who leads man into enlightenment. But freely gives up his spirit because the bloodshed he brings to the decievers and broken spirits. He is the one that they want killed befor the eye is opened. That pic on your $1 bill.

He is condemned to hell . But Lilith who was ADAMS first Wife and was created like Adam not from Adam . Who rejected ADAM because ADAM thought himself higher. God took Lilith into heaven and created Eve from adam.Litith chooses the one as her mate . So God allows The one only to VISIT hell. The one. is to be Liliths Husband. The NEW ADAM and EVE. In the return to eden . This is the only true promise God made to man , GOD promised ADAM MAN would return to eden . In 5/1/2 days . Guess what times up . The eye of Milkly way is about to come into view . Its a Change you can count on.

Lilith is the prize!!!. As I said there is only 1 right 1 wrong.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Who knows maybe I am THE ONE. The ONE is the guy that these freaks the templers and illuminoty fear. He is the one who leads man into enlightenment. But freely gives up his spirit because the bloodshed he brings to the decievers and broken spirits. He is the one that they want killed befor the eye is opened. That pic on your $1 bill.

He is condemned to hell . But Lilith who was ADAMS first Wife and was created like Adam not from Adam . Who rejected ADAM because ADAM thought himself hirer. God took Liloth into heaven and created Eve from adam. The one is to be Liloths Husband. The NEW ADAM and EVE. In the returned eden .

Liloth is the prize!!!. As I said there is only 1 right 1 wrong.

Calm down. Repeat after me "Ohhhhhmm, Ohhhhhmm, Ohhhhhmm" find your happy place. It really doesn't matter that much.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Who knows maybe I am THE ONE. The ONE is the guy that these freaks the templers and illuminoty fear. He is the one who leads man into enlightenment. But freely gives up his spirit because the bloodshed he brings to the decievers and broken spirits. He is the one that they want killed befor the eye is opened. That pic on your $1 bill.

He is condemned to hell . But Lilith who was ADAMS first Wife and was created like Adam not from Adam . Who rejected ADAM because ADAM thought himself higher. God took Lilith into heaven and created Eve from adam.Litith chooses the one as her mate . So God allows The one only to VISIT hell. The one. is to be Liliths Husband. The NEW ADAM and EVE. In the return to eden . This is the only true promise God made to man , GOD promised ADAM MAN would return to eden . In 5/1/2 days . Guess what times up . The eye of Milkly way is about to come into view . Its a Change you can count on.

Lilith is the prize!!!. As I said there is only 1 right 1 wrong.

Dude it is a game world - MMORPG; "god" is the dev. Yours is dead.

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I just reread all of Martimus's posts. Please be more specific because I see no contradiction in the posts.

Could this be a confusion technique? Say something without saying something to muddy the waters?

no it is not a confusion technique
it is because he said that the point of fining intel is to DETER future crimes. Yet you are fining INTEL and not the people who comitted the crime a DECADE ago who got their bonuses and LEFT THE COMPANY. the CEO at the time got large amounts of money from intel's success, but he is GONE. fining it now might hurt the current CEO and decision makers, but the ones who should be fined are the ones who commited the crime IF your intention is to deter future crime as he said.
yet now he keeps on pretending that the fining intel and not the criminals will somehow deter crime. Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

For the LAST time - *theCompany* - profited by its cheating. So it is not left unpunished - fined. They lose some of their ill-got gains as a penalty.
That is what you do to companies who play outside Law. i expect much worse for intel in the USA; they have no bluff left to call anywhere.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Who knows maybe I am THE ONE. The ONE is the guy that these freaks the templers and illuminoty fear. He is the one who leads man into enlightenment. But freely gives up his spirit because the bloodshed he brings to the decievers and broken spirits. He is the one that they want killed befor the eye is opened. That pic on your $1 bill.

He is condemned to hell . But Lilith who was ADAMS first Wife and was created like Adam not from Adam . Who rejected ADAM because ADAM thought himself hirer. God took Liloth into heaven and created Eve from adam. The one is to be Liloths Husband. The NEW ADAM and EVE. In the returned eden .

Liloth is the prize!!!. As I said there is only 1 right 1 wrong.

Calm down. Repeat after me "Ohhhhhmm, Ohhhhhmm, Ohhhhhmm" find your happy place. It really doesn't matter that much.

Relax all in fun friend, Did you not get the evil in title. But it shows much has been written that has been withheld from us.

Hay if you could pull the OHHHHMM off at 6.3275 mgz You would be intune with the cosmos.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: dmens

The problem with leaving it up to the consumer is that most consumers aren't very informed. Basically my only informed purchases are of CPUs and GPUs. Even for RAM, I just buy whatever Newegg has as the cheapest today that meets my minimum speed requirements. I don't know if there are back-room dealings going on, or if there's an 800lb gorilla who's dumping and my purchase will help put their competitor out of business so they can raise prices in the future when they're a monopoly. I don't know anything about the companies who make my food, car, TV, microwave, etc. It's impractical to become fully informed. Even when I'm fully informed, there's short-term financial incentive for me to buy the monopolist's cheap product today, instead of than spend more now and hope that enough other people make the "informed" choice that it keeps the competition around.

What is unethical with so-called "backdoor deals", or "predatory pricing"? Those are property rights that every private enterprise should use as they see fit. Consumers can simply opt out if they believe the market price is unfair due to lack of competition, or any other reason.

If current market conditions do not foster competition, why force the issue? The dominant firm will spend a ton of cash to become a monopoly, then they will raise prices in the short term and make some of it back, or maybe all of it, but the increased prices will simply result in renewed competition in the long term. I fail to see how enforced competition is good in the short or long term. As I mentioned before, the only loser with this EU fine are European consumers. The general consensus at my office is that Intel will raise prices in Europe and AMD will immediately match those price hikes.

That doesn't work in certain cases. In the ideal world (classical free-market commodity capitalism as described in intro economics classes), some guy in his garage can come out with a better or cheaper product and take over existing markets. In practice, some guy in his garage can't afford to build a few $4B fabs to satisfy the full demand of the market, so he's forced to edge his way in slowly. As soon as he tries to take a few percent of the market, the dominant player can use Intel-style rebates to ensure that nobody will buy his chips by providing substantial discounts to 100%-Intel customers (and the guy in his garage can only supply e.g. 40% of the demand, so nobody can switch completely to the garage guy). Also in practice, if the existing monopoly has deeper pockets than the guy in his garage, the monopoly can simply sell at a loss until the guy in his garage runs out of money and shuts his doors.

How would anyone ever enter the market? The only ones who could enter at that point would be companies that are even bigger, who could build enough fabs to satisfy 100% of the demand, and have enough cash left over to sell below cost until Intel goes bankrupt. You'd end up buying e.g. Exxon-brand gasoline to fill up your Exxon-brand car so you can drive to Exxonmart to buy some Exxon-brand CPUs so you can play Exxon's latest first-person-shooter over your Exxon Internet connection while enjoying your Exxon beverage after they picked off other companies one by one (just picking some random company that has a lot of cash).

Am I missing something here?

Yes you are. Market timing and If the guy in the garage has a product but its not really better . He has nothing to offer . In reality . But He can make a good living . A good product Changes the Market . It doesn't just fit in . Thats what AMD is A fit in . A second thought . Based on Ibms needs for second supplier. But Intel screwed up on the orginal contract . Left AMD oppertunity to reverse engineers tech and they got away with it . All over GRAY area LAW. FOR me this area does not exist in a trueth based society . But thats not what we have.

Mike dell started in garage Went intel exclusive . Became top seller in world . Dell makes deal with AMD Dell falls off perch. Everthing AMD touches or should I say Hector touches turns to trash.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I would lower make 1cent per chip . Than watch amd cry foul . When there are no rebates . Just very low pricies as intel threatened in there reply.

The last thing Intel needs to do at this point is anything that would further cement the conclusion that they (a) are a monopoly capable of single-handedly manipulating the market, and (b) are manipulating the market.

This isn't a situation where being a monopoly and abusing your power as such suddenly becomes an ignorable offense if it benefits the consumer in the short-term but further decimates the competition.

This is a worthy read, despite having been penned in 1881:

The Story of a Great Monopoly

March 1881 Atlantic

"America has the proud satisfaction of having furnished the world with the greatest, wisest, and meanest monopoly known to history."

In less than the ordinary span of a life-time, our railroads have brought upon us the worst labor disturbance, the greatest of monopolies, and the most formidable combination of money and brains that ever overshadowed a state. The time has come to face the fact that the forces of capital and industry have outgrown the forces of our government.

The corporation and the trades-union have forgotten that they are the creatures of the state. Our strong men are engaged in a headlong fight for fortune, power, precedence, success. Americans as they are, they ride over the people like Juggernaut to gain their ends. The moralists have preached to them since the world began, and have failed. The common people, the nation, must take them in hand. The people can be successful only when they are right.

When monopolies succeed, the people fail; when a rich criminal escapes justice, the people are punished; when a legislature is bribed, the people are cheated. There is nobody richer than Vanderbilt except the body of citizens; no corporation more powerful than the transcontinental railroad except the corporate sovereign at Washington. The nation is the engine of the people. They must use it for their industrial life, as they used it in 1861 for their political life. The States have failed. The United States must succeed, or the people will perish.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/188103/monopoly

I find it ironic that in their time, 1881, the advent of the corporate railroad and the formation of their devastating monopolies occurred with the span of 30-40yrs. Approximately the same span of time since the advent of the personal computer, the monopolies for which we are discussing now.

It is Intels Market AMD is here only because its forced. If markets were left alone AMD would be gone . Intel invents X86 . World uses, Now its the Worlds . NO its INTELS period.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I just reread all of Martimus's posts. Please be more specific because I see no contradiction in the posts.

Could this be a confusion technique? Say something without saying something to muddy the waters?

no it is not a confusion technique
it is because he said that the point of fining intel is to DETER future crimes. Yet you are fining INTEL and not the people who comitted the crime a DECADE ago who got their bonuses and LEFT THE COMPANY. the CEO at the time got large amounts of money from intel's success, but he is GONE. fining it now might hurt the current CEO and decision makers, but the ones who should be fined are the ones who commited the crime IF your intention is to deter future crime as he said.
yet now he keeps on pretending that the fining intel and not the criminals will somehow deter crime. Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

The point is that it puts pressure on Intel to change their bonus structure so this doesn't happen...
For example, one of the suggestions made recently to avoid the "poison mortgage" scenario we are now going through is to make all mortgage signing bonuses delayed for at least a year. That way, if the loan turns out to be based on a bad credit risk instead of the reported good credit, the bonus can be rescinded...

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: taltamir
Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

Since Martimus is done with you.

That is what it means to be incorporated by definition. It protects the individuals from the company not the company from the individuals.

About the heroin example. I believe it was meant to provide you with an example where the breaking of law was clear. If the company was incorporated the civil responsibilities, separate from the legal responsibilities, affect the company as a whole.

that is not what corporations are about, it simply isn't. Corporations are indeed to protect the individuals from responsibility, but it is from FINANCIAL responsibility, not from criminal responsibility.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is just stupid and contradicts what you have said before about the law deterring crime.

I just reread all of Martimus's posts. Please be more specific because I see no contradiction in the posts.

Could this be a confusion technique? Say something without saying something to muddy the waters?

no it is not a confusion technique
it is because he said that the point of fining intel is to DETER future crimes. Yet you are fining INTEL and not the people who comitted the crime a DECADE ago who got their bonuses and LEFT THE COMPANY. the CEO at the time got large amounts of money from intel's success, but he is GONE. fining it now might hurt the current CEO and decision makers, but the ones who should be fined are the ones who commited the crime IF your intention is to deter future crime as he said.
yet now he keeps on pretending that the fining intel and not the criminals will somehow deter crime. Furthermore he suggests that intel incorporated in order to protect its decision holders from criminal liablity and that as such, such wishes of protection should be adhered to be the law in that the law should go after intel and not the real criminal because that is what corporations are for (and not for financial liability) AND that you should somehow allow corporations to get away with it. He even goes as far as saying that I COULD incorporate a heroin trafficking business, but if that was the case id go to jail AND the business would be fined for trafficking heroin (which is direct contradiction to his view of only punishing the corp and ignoring the criminals on intel) but also is in direct contradiction to any sane law enforcement, you can NOT create a corporation for illegal purposes anywhere in the world.

The point is that it puts pressure on Intel to change their bonus structure so this doesn't happen...
For example, one of the suggestions made recently to avoid the "poison mortgage" scenario we are now going through is to make all mortgage signing bonuses delayed for at least a year. That way, if the loan turns out to be based on a bad credit risk instead of the reported good credit, the bonus can be rescinded...

yes, if you want to go after the criminals AND fine intel to take ill gotten gains from it and encourage changing the bonus structure, fine. As long as you also go after the actual criminals and not ONLY after intel than you are good.

 

[taltamir]

Nemesis, strong arming countries is the STUPIDEST thing intel can do... countries are the ones with a monopoly on violence and weapons (armies). all intel will achieve is more severe sanctions against it, and if it chooses to ignore those then they will face police officers coming to confiscate everything and make it public domain (and if they resist that then they get shot). Intel needs to prove that it is not a threat, or raise a massive army, and I just don't see it doing the latter.

 

[Nemesis 1]

A coorperation in fact is evil scheme to protect rich from treason and other unlawful acts. Its that simple . Its a tool for evil doers. This way if a company sells weapons to enemy owners or partners can't be brought befor justice on treason charges. Its the most hidious thing in our society has nothing to do with free markets and everthing to do with evil actions of Men. A company in itself can't do anything . Only people can . Cooperations are Evil and protect the guilty.

 

[taltamir]

if a corporation is ALWAYS evil than why are you defending intel so adamantly?

anyways, no corporations are NOT evil, it is a simply and effective tool for safely doing business.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: taltamir
Nemesis, strong arming countries is the STUPIDEST thing intel can do... countries are the ones with a monopoly on violence and weapons (armies). all intel will achieve is more severe sanctions against it, and if it chooses to ignore those then they will face police officers coming to confiscate everything and make it public domain (and if they resist that then they get shot). Intel needs to prove that it is not a threat, or raise a massive army, and I just don't see it doing the latter.

I would rather see this. In that way the God like AMD and EU can have there way with pricies . As long as I have Nehelam I don't ever have to worry about AMD ever having anything better in my life time. So Me I would like many here to recieve that which they desire. Is that not KIND of me. After all I have seen what I wanted . I see zero reason I shouldn't want what others want . Thats just the kinda guy I am :evil:

 

[Nemesis 1]

There all corp . I never said Intel did no wrong . I just think pointing fingers in this world is a joke. Also I know for fact intel had zero part in the rounding up of jews gypsies and the like in germany durring WWII like IBM did . I say take care of old business befor we start new.

 

[apoppin]

I never said Intel did no wrong .

then don't complain about the fine

Intel worked hard for it

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: taltamir
if a corporation is ALWAYS evil than why are you defending intel so adamantly?

anyways, no corporations are NOT evil, it is a simply and effective tool for safely doing business.

Are you trying to tell me . Now understand.

If Dave the rocket manfeller borrows money to germany durring wwII to finance war against USA. That because he hides behind corp. He has done no evil broken no treason laws . Me you live in differant realities. This is Why there is NO authority but yourself. You must make choicies follow the flesh and perish or the spirit and fulfill the meaning of your life. Become all you can be . Be ONE with cosmos. BE LILITH and except no authority over you on earth.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: apoppin

I never said Intel did no wrong .

then don't complain about the fine

Intel worked hard for it

The Fine isn't bothering me . Its the price of 2core Nehalem that has me pissed . That has nothing to do with Intel , Has everthing to do with AMD. NOWAY.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: apoppin

I never said Intel did no wrong .

then don't complain about the fine

Intel worked hard for it

The Fine isn't bothering me . Its the price of 2core Nehalem that has me pissed . That has nothing to do with Intel , Has everthing to do with AMD. NOWAY.

Lilith is a bitch; there is a reason for her exile

AMD is innocent in this case.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Must be tuff to be exiled to heaven . Because she refused to be submissive. I don't know I like the lady alot. I am sure the ladies in the viewing audience would agree if they knew about her.

AMD from its inception has been a parsite to intel . from the beginning to the end . Alot like A submissive women to man. When the man gets to ruff the marrage is over than comes the lawyers.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Must be tuff to be exiled to heaven . Because she refused to be submissive. I don't know I like the lady alot. I am sure the ladies in the viewing audience would agree if they knew about her.

AMD from its inception has been a parsite to intel . from the beginning to the end . Alot like A submissive women to man. When the man gets to ruff the marrage is over than comes the lawyers.

Dude horrible politically incorrect not even close to the relationship of Intel/AMD analogy.

You should study the relationship of Intel, AMD and IBM back in the 90s because you missed the mark by a mile. I will say while you're reading up on it, notice who was the first to break contract with regards to x86 architecture. When you done that come back and make your arguments.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Must be tuff to be exiled to heaven . Because she refused to be submissive. I don't know I like the lady alot. I am sure the ladies in the viewing audience would agree if they knew about her.

AMD from its inception has been a parsite to intel . from the beginning to the end . Alot like A submissive women to man. When the man gets to ruff the marrage is over than comes the lawyers.

Heaven? is that what you believe?
--Lilith!?! .. well-named 'slut' by others in the know.
RotFL

Your views are just as wildly incorrect as your ridiculous fantasy of AMD's relationship to Intel. Now everyone can see that you are lost.